Male Doggy Question

[madbella]

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Hello all.

Sorry I haven’t been on here for a while, we have been really busy. Austin is doing well and sends doggy wishes to all the other whippets 

He is completely house trained (and has been for a long while). At our house he will ask to go out (stands by the door) and if we are at someone elses house we keep an eye on him but he normally goes to a door and asks.

He spends a couple of days a week at my mum’s house and has done since we first got him, but every now and then he attempts to wee on my mum’s dog’s bed. He has just tried to this morning.

He is 10 months old (tomorrow) and still has all his bits. My mum’s bitch has been spayed.

Is it because he gets excited to see the other dog and forgets himself or is it a growing man thing.

We decided we wouldn’t get him done unless he starts to show signs that he needs to be done. Is this a sign? Should we think about getting him done now before he gets worse and then it’s a habbit?

 

[animalady]

yes - this is him showing early signs of dominance.

it can be as easy as checking him when you first see him doing this which can work well so long as he knows that you are the dominant one over him.

best of luck

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[rls22]

Please don't think that getting him neutered will be an end to all behavioural problems, it's not just a quick fix! He is far too young to be neutered yet anyway, if you really want to go ahead and have it done at least wait another 6 months and give him a chance to mature. :thumbsup:

 

[madbella]

He is normally very well behaved and responds to our commands.

Sometimes he does get selective hearing when in the garden or when on a walk until we remind him that he will get a treat!

If he doesn't listen to us asserting our dominance, how long before this will become an ingrained thing where castrating him wouldn't work?

 

[madbella]

Please don't think that getting him neutered will be an end to all behavioural problems, it's not just a quick fix!  He is far too young to be neutered yet anyway, if you really want to go ahead and have it done at least wait another 6 months and give him a chance to mature.  :thumbsup:

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I'd prefer not to get him neutered.

I'm just worried about missing the time frame if he is showing signs that he needs to be done.

 

[rls22]

I don't understand what you mean by "showing signs that he needs to be done"

What signs are there that he needs to be done? Occasionally weeing in another dog's bed to make a point that he is the top dog is not a sign that he needs to be neutered. What other things is he doing?

Logan used to do this when we went to my Mum's house, Jo's house pretty much anywhere there were other dogs. He would do it very shamelessly infront of everyone! :- "

He would get a telling off and would be put outside immediately. We would always make sure that he went straight out in to the garden when we arrived and after a couple of weeks he stopped doing it. He was of a similar age to your dog when he was doing this.

Please don't think that getting him neutered will be an end to all behavioural problems, it's not just a quick fix!  He is far too young to be neutered yet anyway, if you really want to go ahead and have it done at least wait another 6 months and give him a chance to mature.   :thumbsup:

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I'd prefer not to get him neutered.

I'm just worried about missing the time frame if he is showing signs that he needs to be done.

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[madbella]

I don't understand what you mean by "showing signs that he needs to be done"  What signs are there that he needs to be done?  Occasionally weeing in  another dog's bed to make a point that he is the top dog is not a sign that he needs to be neutered.  What other things is he doing? 

Logan used to do this when we went to my Mum's house, Jo's house pretty much anywhere there were other dogs.  He would do it very shamelessly infront of everyone! :- "

He would get a telling off and would be put outside immediately.  We would always make sure that he went straight out in to the garden when we arrived and after a couple of weeks he stopped doing it.  He was of a similar age to your dog when he was doing this. 

He isn't showing any other "signs", but I mean things like wanting to mate and running off to in-season bitches.

My mum told him off and took him straight out. She normally takes him out as soon as he gets there so not sure if she did this morning or not.

We haven’t had a male dog before so please excuse my lack of knowledge. I have heard that if a dog starts to show some of these characteristics then they can possibly be stopped by neutering. But if the dog is too old then even if he is castrated it wouldn’t have much of an effect. I know castration isn’t a guarantee either.

If he does need to be castrated, I don’t want him to get past the age when castration will have less of an effect.

I’m not sure if I’m explaining myself properly!!

He has only done this a handful of times so like you say not really a sign to be done. But last time he did this my mum said that we may have to think about getting him done. She does us a massive favour by looking after him during the day so it is difficult to keep all parties happy.

I just wanted some info so that we could be prepared if this was him starting to understand what he has between his legs!!!

 

[rls22]

By the age of 10 months he would be more than capable of mating a bitch if he got the chance. However, I'm sure that you have a secure garden, which means that he isn't able to escape. Logan at only 6 months, would have mated a bitch absolutely no problem if given the opportunity, which obviously he wasn't.

What I am trying to say is that neutering is not a way of stopping this behaviour. It sounds to me his just a normal adolescent dog. He's still only a puppy, so give him a chance to grow out of it.

Only neuter him if it is a medical necessity. He is an only dog, so I'd leave him well alone.

 

[madbella]

So as long as we let him know that weeing on her bed isn't acceptable, he should grow out of it?

Thankyou for your help!

 

[rls22]

So as long as we let him know that weeing on her bed isn't acceptable, he should grow out of it?
Thankyou for your help!

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I'd hope so. You will just have to keep reinforcing that it is not on for him to do it. Hopefully with perserverance he will stop. Good luck! :luck:

 

[05whippet]

I think I am probably in the minority here BUT here goes anyway!

I neuter all my males if they are not being shown or used....personally I just don't see the need to have an entire male around & it is the same with my bitches. Because I keep a "pack" (16) and they all live indoors & have to get on it is easier if I have less entires (of both sexes) for obvious reasons,I have never had a dominance problem with our whippet males but have with our Basenji & one of the Min Poodles, in the case of the Poodle I neutered him because not only was he "scenting" everywhere but he was also aggressive with our other males in the house,the Basenji is virtually the same but we are still showing him,so we can't neuter him until he retires,but he will be done then as in my experiences over the years neutering does usually quell the need to "scent" and eases the aggression and it will also help with dogs that are a nightmare around bitches in heat,though again my entire whippet males are not problem but our old veteran boy Moss was terrible when we had bitches in heat and was doubly more so after he had been used...he used to typically go off his food,whine and howl all day and night and would have ate through a door to get to the bitch,so we neutered him and it made a vast difference...totally different dog and he was 4 yrs old when we did it too!

So if he was my dog & he was scenting (as he is) my opinion would be to eventually neuter him,but then that is what I would do anyway whether he was showing any signs of dominance or not unless you are planning to show or "stand" him.

Anyway..just thought you might like to hear my views from the "flip side".

 

[nina]

I think I am probably in the minority here BUT here goes anyway!

I neuter all my males if they are not being shown or used....personally I just don't see the need to have an entire male around & it is the same with my bitches. Because I keep a "pack" (16) and they all live indoors & have to get on it is easier if I have less entires (of both sexes) for obvious reasons,I have never had a dominance problem with our whippet males but have with our Basenji & one of the Min Poodles, in the case of the Poodle I neutered him because not only was he "scenting" everywhere but he was also aggressive with our other males in the house,the Basenji is virtually the same but we are still showing him,so we can't neuter him until he retires,but he will be done then as in my experiences over the years neutering does usually quell the need to "scent" and eases the aggression and it will also help with dogs that are a nightmare around bitches in heat,though again my entire whippet males are not problem but our old veteran boy Moss was terrible when we had bitches in heat and was doubly more so after he had been used...he used to typically go off his food,whine and howl all day and night and would have ate through a door to get to the bitch,so we neutered him and it made a vast difference...totally different dog and he was 4 yrs old when we did it too!

So if he was my dog & he was scenting (as he is) my opinion would be to eventually neuter him,but then that is what I would do anyway whether he was showing any signs of dominance or not unless you are planning to show or "stand" him.

Anyway..just thought you might like to hear my views from the "flip side".

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I totally agree with all the above :thumbsup: having kept a number of males over the last 20 years or so from experience i would much rather live with a castrated male than an entire one. :- "

I certainly never see castration as a quick fix for anything but on the whole it does generally make living with a male a much more pleasant experience.

I have 4 males left now, 2 quite elderly that have not been castrated & 2 fairly young ones that have been castrated.

The 2 oldies are still an absolute nightmare not only when bitches are in season but at any given time they want to scent mark everywhere, also even on daily walks if they meet other males they are always ready to challenge (not necessarily fight) but they can be very bolshy. Where as the 2 younger males are a dream now they have been castrated & i have no problems at all with them.

One of my males many years ago (sadly deceased now) was castrated at 9 months as he was unbearable to live with when bitches were in season & would scream & howl the house down night & day.

From experience & only my personal views but i would have any male i wasnt showing castrated from 6months onwards, i am not saying in every incidence as i am sure there are always exceptions to the rule but in all the males i have had over the years it has always curbed the scent marking, anti social behaviour & just made the dog a nicer animal to live with all round. :thumbsup:

 

[Happy Humber]

I once had a Whippet bitch that always ran upstairs to pee on my mums bedside sheepskin rug whenever we visited her.

 

[madbella]

Thankyou all for your advice.

My mum wasn't too bothered about it and says this is the first time he has done it (the other times she put it down to him being a young puppy).

So we are going to let him keep his bits for the time being but keep the option in the back of our minds and see how is in a few months time.

 

[jayp]

This is interesting as i have no real yes or no to neutering but consider the circumstances first. A scentmarking dog is a right pain as once they start it can be difficult to stop. would the dog be happier if not constantly being told off for inappropriate (to humans) behaviour, after all he will not know he is any different just the desire to mark and mate will not be there.

I have always and still do live with entire dogs but have had one castrated when his behaviour was causing pack disharmony.

Watching The Dog Whisperer i am fascinated by the large pack of dogs he has living together including the most dominant aggresive of dogs he has rehabilitated, upwards of 50 dogs. All his pack however are castrated which simply reduces the desire to dominate etc

I would agree however that the dog needs to mature in both mind and body before this is considered as he may indeed grow out of this stage.

 

[masta]

Thankyou all for your advice.
My mum wasn't too bothered about it and says this is the first time he has done it (the other times she put it down to him being a young puppy).

So we are going to let him keep his bits for the time being but keep the option in the back of our minds and see how is in a few months time.

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i think you have to go with your heart everyone on here has an opinion it does'nt mean its gospel, you have to live with the dog and if that means a visit to the vets to have a very simple straightforward procedure that is going to make your life and the dogs life more bearable then i would go for it :luck:

 

[nina]

Thankyou all for your advice.
My mum wasn't too bothered about it and says this is the first time he has done it (the other times she put it down to him being a young puppy).

So we are going to let him keep his bits for the time being but keep the option in the back of our minds and see how is in a few months time.

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i think you have to go with your heart everyone on here has an opinion it does'nt mean its gospel, you have to live with the dog and if that means a visit to the vets to have a very simple straightforward procedure that is going to make your life and the dogs life more bearable then i would go for it :luck:

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Totally agree, whats right for one may not necesarily suit another. Take ALL the advice given & then at the end of the day do what suits you & fits best into your equation.

Good luck whatever you decide :luck:

 

[Millie]

I would just like to add, the puppies that have been returned to me (puppy sales contract) only one was a bitch, the rest have been males neutered before 12 mths that never grew up and the owners couldn't cope. ( 9 pups over 20 years)