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or even a Rosette   :lol:
I cant remember EVER getting a rosette at Champ show s, Crufts now give rosettes for the first 3 placings instead of just the winner  :cheers: , and when Libbee won her class at South Wales Champ she got a rosette for that , ( which really surprised me)  At some show you used to get prize money  (w00t)   The Hound show( Champ) was one of them , but even they have stopped that  :angry: and Now even at the OPEN show they didnt give out ANY rosettes for placing , how mean can they get , Not even first prize winners  :rant: Hardley the way to encourage new comers is it  :rant:

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i agree , the price exibitors pay for enty , car park , catalogue etc and they cant even give the winners a rosette :rant:

not asking too much are we :blink:

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According to those who run the shows................Yes we are!!!!! :angry:

 

[JAX]

At these general Champ shows most of the money is spent on the judges hotels ands dinner dance/ meal the night before :rant: . Some of the top judges get expenses too But be assured most judges at club shows and all general open shows just do it for the love of the game , with no expenses offered . you may get the odd bottle of wine :cheers: They are all done on the `honary appointments , even overseas judges have to pay their own way , as its an honour to be asked to judge here :- " ( apparently)

I certainly glad Im not doing the `open` shows any more , what with the cost of petrol etc ,

 

[saraquele]

At these general Champ shows most of the money is spent on the judges hotels ands dinner dance/ meal the night before  :rant: . Some of the top judges get expenses too    But be assured most judges at club shows and all general open shows just do it for the love of the game , with no expenses offered . you may get the odd bottle of wine  :cheers:   They are all done on the `honary appointments , even overseas judges have to pay their own way , as its an honour to be asked to judge here  :- " ( apparently)
I certainly glad Im not  doing the `open` shows any more , what with the cost of petrol etc ,

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i think all judges AT WHATEVER LEVEL SHOULD BE PAID TRAVELLING EXPENSES AND ACCOMODATION WHERE APPROPRIATE

dinner dances etc no way !!!

but the amount we pay should warrent a rosette or 2 :blink:

i know shows cost a lot to put on but surely its not THAT expensive to put rosettes on ??

if the open shows etc ( where 99 % give rosettes ) can do it then why not the champs

then again i doubt our discussion on here will change anything LOL (w00t)

but we can have a good old moan about it :b

 

[aslan]

We rarely get rosettes in Oz.

In the state of Qld (can't talk about the other states 'cause I'm not so sure) but we currently pay anywhere between $7 - $10 for an entry to a champ show all breeds, more at the big shows where you have many interstate and international judges.

We don't usually get Best of Breed ribbons - it's pretty rare these days and I have not seen a place ribbon for years. When I was a child there used to be 1st, 2nd and 3rd ribbons for all breed classes, challenge and reserve challenge ribbons and BOB ribbons.

Our groups are judged all the way through the classes ie

Best in Group

Reserve in Group

Best Baby in Group

Best Minor Puppy in Group

Best Puppy in Group

Best Junior in Group

Best Intermediate in Group

Best State Bred in Group (not all shows put this class on)

Best Australian Bred in Group and

Best Open in Group

and everyone gets a sash for winning their class in group. Trophies are usually only given for BIG, RIG, and Baby in Group.

For General Specials (in show awards - which are again judged all the way through the classes) everyone gets a trophy and a sash.

The Canine Control Council Qld has a rule that a certain amount of the total entry fee must be spent on trophies and sashes.

And our Central and North Qld shows pay for judges airfares/petrol money accommodation and food at the show and still manage to give sashes and trophies. (Sometimes your trophy might be a cheap photo frame from a discount store, sets of coffee cups and glasses are popular - but at least you get something). Many people complain here but I think we do alright.

With the numbers of entries you guys are getting there, I think your clubs are being a bit stiff not giving at LEAST ribbons for place winners.

 

[dukie]

When we ask judges to officiate at the N Ireland WC champ shows, yes it is in an honary capacity, ie no fee for judging, but we do pay travel expenses and accomodation if required, plus a present for the judge. I have judged at open shows on the mainland in an honary capacity and was in one instance lucky to get a cup of tea never mind anything else!! The secretary didn't even ask if I had a good journey over etc, I was given my judging book and told to go away until I was needed!!

I find quite a difference in the way we treat visiting judges over here(NI) as to how we are treated when we do the return trip. Obviously I can only speak from my own personal experience in judging open shows, and I'm sure there are good and bad in all situations, but without your judges you don't have a show!!

As for general champ shows, I do think it's a bit much not to get a ribbon and yet when you count up what it must cost to entertain the judges with dinner dances it doesn't add up. Surely there must be a happy medium.

 

[aslan]

And our Central and North Qld shows pay for judges airfares/petrol money accommodation and food at the show

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Oh, and I forgot to add, judges' fees (some charge, some don't) and in some cases the club has to pay the parking fee for the judge's car at the airport from whence they came.

 

[dawn]

When we ask judges to officiate at the N Ireland WC champ shows, yes it is in an honary capacity, ie no fee for judging, but we do pay travel expenses and accomodation if required, plus a present for the judge.

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The 'hospitality' of the Irish hosts is a thing of legend. Listening to the tales some judges tell it is a wonder they can manage stand-up in the ring the day after

 

[dukie]

Thank you Dawn, I was afraid some people may take what I said the wrong way, I don't mean to offend, as I say, this is only my experience. I don't expect travel expenses for an open show, but the offer of accomodation would have been nice!! And it doesn't apply to all shows I've judged at, most do have some sort of judges reception area and welcome you with a cup of coffee etc, but it has to be said that some fall short in this respect.

 

[aslan]

But be assured most judges at club shows and all general open shows just do it for the love of the game ....  They are all done on the `honary appointments , even overseas judges have to pay their own way , as its an honour to be asked to judge here  :- " ( apparently)

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So if I get my whippet licence and IF I ever get invited to judge a whippet champ show in England I'd have to pay my own return airfare?

I'd be happy to pay for my accommodation and travel to and from the airport and even to the show and I would not ask a fee or expect a gift but I thought the club would pay the airfare, or at the very least half of it.

Let's see ....

Income ...

Approximately 200 entries at a whippet champ show? @ 20 pounds an entry that's 4000 pounds.

Add to that the profit from the canteen - how much would that be?

Catalogue sales ?

Do they charge stall holders for a site at these shows? How much each? How many would there be on average at a whippet show?

Do they hold raffles? There's income from that.

Would there be any other income?

Expenditure ... how much for ....

Trophies and rosettes ?

Hire of the hall or grounds?

Cleaning fees?

Electricity?

KC fees ?

Postage ?

Food for the canteen ?

Catalogue printing ?

Sausages for the vets

If they don't pay their judges then they certainly wouldn't pay their stewards or show manager ... so no expense there.

What other expenses are there that I haven't thought of?

And how much is it for a return airfare, Australia - England? About $1700 which = 727.80 pounds

There must be a couple of you on committees who could help work this out?

 

[dawn]

Approximately 200 entries at a whippet champ show?  @ 20 pounds an entry that's  4000 pounds.Add to that the profit from the canteen - how much would that be?

Catalogue sales ?

Do they charge stall holders for a site  at these shows?  How much each?  How many would there be on average at a whippet show?

Do they hold raffles?  There's income from that.

Would there be any other income?

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As far as SYWC (which you were at a few years back) is concerned we have somewhere around 200 - 220 dogs entered.

The entry fee for our Ch show is nowhere near that for a benched all-breed show (which is what Manchester is) so the venue hire is a lot less and we do not need benching so the costs overall are significantly less.

The committee do all the running round setting up the rings, stewarding etc.. with just the pleasure they get from having done an excellent job and (hopefully) helping the exhibitors also enjoy the day. :thumbsup:

 

[Sidewinders]

So interesting to read about your shows...

I wonder about the prices... Are there really shows with entry fee only 7-10$? :blink:

Here in Ukraine the lowest price for National show is 20$, maybe less for puppies and veterans. And International shows' entry fee usually 30-40$. But we don't pay for catalogues, for participants they are for free.

Though we have something like unoffcicial shows, hold by city clubs. Our breeders used to show babies, puppies and juniors on such unofficial shows, just to train. These shows' prices are much lower, but there are plenty prizes - rosettes, cups, toys, etc. and much more friendly attitude to participants. :- "

But on International show if your dog win only CACIB (I guess something like CC, awarded Best Dog and Best Bitch) or BOB you will not get even a small ribbon! Nothing, only a paper with description and diploma. Only if the dog is placed in Group there are many prizes. Strange thing - on the 4th place prizes are usually better than on the 3rd or 2nd. :blink: That's why I'm grateful to judges who twice placed my Baton 4th in Group! on the most important International show.

Very nice is also to win Best puppy of the show (we won only once) or Best junior of the show. But not so easy, because pups and juniors are usually not divided into groups, so if there were pups of 50 breeds on the show, so all 50 puppies will compete for BIS puppy.

On National shows, especially in small cities prizes are the worst. Though we used to it.

But to have 200 or 300 whippets... we can only dream. At the last CACIB dogshow in December there were about 1600 dogs (of all breeds), rather big number, but whippets only 5.

And as I know our UKU pay judges some amount for each dog they judge (e.g.about 20 Hrivnas/one dog) and of course full transportation costs (including airfare) and costs of stay and supper... everything.

That's how our shows are hold.

 

[JAX]

I some how doubt that we pay for air fares to judge over here , Its a privilage to be asked to judge in the UK you know :- "

At the hound show on Sat , a certain young lady from Ireland was judging , and not only did she pay her own fair , but no one had the decency or manners to offer to pick her up or take her back to the airport :rant: :rant: . Her taxi fare was £30.00 each way . I think that is digusting and told one of the commiittee members so too

 

[aslan]

I agree!

 

[Sidewinders]

Its a privilage to be asked to judge in the UK you know  :- " 

Of course it is. :- " But it seems to be rather wasteful privilage then.

 

[aslan]

These clubs must be making a nice profit on their shows then if they're not paying their judges' travel.

Unless of course they're spending what they would pay for travel on the swanky dinners etc alluded to previously

Personally, I would rather have my travel paid for than ritzy accommodation and fancy hob-nobbing dinners. I would rather choose to pay for accomm. and entertainment myself and then I could CHOOSE modest accomm and choose not to go hob-nobbing if I didn't want to.

 

[whippetmad]

I some how doubt that we pay for air fares to judge over here , Its a privilage to be asked to judge in the UK you know  :- " 
At the hound show on Sat , a certain young lady from Ireland was judging , and not only did she pay her own fair , but no one had the decency or manners to offer to pick her up or take her back to the airport  :rant:   :rant: . Her taxi fare was £30.00 each way . I think that is digusting and told one of the commiittee members so too   

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i agree,that is digusting :rant: :rant:

 

[Sidewinders]

Accommodation for judges, invited to judge our shows are usually included though not ritzy but rather modest. But you're right about dinners! One Italian judge said that he received in Ukraine too much enthusiastic welcome! (w00t)

But I guess that our club really makes a nice profit from CACIB shows. And they can suggest judges such dinners.

One more bad thing about our shows - we never know who will judge! If they tell who will judge, there is a big chance they'll change judge at the last moment. :angry: And also they don't even say what breeds on what day (if the show is 2 days), it's especially awful for participants from abroad, and there are many participants not only from other cities of Ukraine, but from other countries. Taking into consideration high prices :- " it's not fairly to participants that they don't give any information. :angry:

 

[Nicola]

Could anyone give me an idea where this show is now being held (rough directions would be fine)?

Last time I went it was still being held at the GMex in Manchester, which was just a quick train ride into Manchester, and then a sprint across the car park from the metro tramstop, and I was in :- "

I'll be a spectator I'm afraid......hopefully I'll cover my cost in attendance fees

 

[saraquele]

Could anyone give me an idea where this show is now being held (rough directions would be fine)?
Last time I went it was still being held at the GMex in Manchester, which was just a quick train ride into Manchester, and then a sprint across the car park from the metro tramstop, and I was in  :- "

I'll be a spectator I'm afraid......hopefully I'll cover my cost in attendance fees

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dead easy run nicola , over buxton , leek , etc , you can follow me or jump in and get a lift if you want . i am leaving here at 6.30 am mind !!!!!

 

[dolly]

or even a Rosette   :lol:
I cant remember EVER getting a rosette at Champ show s, Crufts now give rosettes for the first 3 placings instead of just the winner  :cheers: , and when Libbee won her class at South Wales Champ she got a rosette for that , ( which really surprised me)  At some show you used to get prize money  (w00t)   The Hound show( Champ) was one of them , but even they have stopped that  :angry: and Now even at the OPEN show they didnt give out ANY rosettes for placing , how mean can they get , Not even first prize winners  :rant: Hardley the way to encourage new comers is it  :rant:

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Both tracey and I bought rosette for our 1st prize winners at South Wales as a token of our apreciation, we even bought cc winners, res cc winners and bp in each sex.