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[springfield]

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Maybe one of the bends could be changed to a longer straight distance as less and less people seem to like doing bends, although personally I would hate to see bends disappear altogether. But then we might have to find a different venue to fit the longer distance in.

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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: totally agree

 

[Strike Whippets]

Very interesting - where do you get the idea that 'then the Whippet will just carry on and eventually just leave a Greyhound for dead as the Whippet possesses more stamina' ?

A Whippet does possess more stamina .....Look at the different working styles of a Whippet and Greyhound ....... The Terrier blood in the Whippet gives them the tenaciousness to keep going, the Greyhound does tire more quickly and lacking the fire of a Whippet also gives up quicker....Whippets do any obstacle put in their way when it comes to the real thing, many Greyhounds bottle it ....If you want the sight hound with the most stamina then that's the Saluki ....Of course this is just my opinion after being brought up with working dogs and spending my time around proper dog working Gypsies (my family) ....but now we are way off topic so this will probably be deleted :wacko:

 

[Judy]

....but now we are way off topic so this will probably be deleted  :wacko:

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You quite often make remarks like this elsewhere on the board Hannah which I think is a little unnecessary when in fact lots, if not most, threads go off topic and don't get deleted. As you know, posts/topics have usually only been deleted when they break the rules and/or things get nasty.

Just to explain - Its not an easy job moderating a forum as large as this one and not everyone is going to agree with it but someone has to do it. Remember its the moderators that get the complaints and have to deal with them, not the posters themselves, and it can be quite time consuming. Some people even seem to blame the moderators for other peoples posts! So, you see there are lot of people to try and keep happy. Usually the posters don't even know that there have been any complaints which perhaps is why they often attack the moderators for moderating them! The poor Mods just can't win sometimes

Its a hard enough job as it is, so if you have a problem with any of the moderating then you should contact the moderator of that section directly rather than on the open forum please. Think I've said that before :thumbsup:

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

Whippets looked very fast and could turn on a six pence - this made a fantastic spectator sport - but if the hare fancied it just changed gear and in a straight line left the Whippets in its wake!

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I agree with most of your observations Rob, but there are Hares & there are Hares. Also ground conditions can make a difference.Most of the Whippets & Whippet x's I've known don't like ploughland & don't seem too go over it that well. I've seen good g/hnds reduced to walking pace after 3 or 4 turns on turf, whilst I've seen whippets zig zag all the way over a 10 acre field disappear & come back 20 minutes later still trying to work a hare up.

In the days when Whippet racing was a major sport the classic distance was a straight furlong (220 yds) & they'd run several heats. In snapdog contests the result would often be scored off best of 13 rabbits & given law was 60 yds plus whatever yards the rabbits managed to run.

There are dog's capable of putting in these kind of performances now. It would be good for the diversity of the gene pool if all types were given the chance to shine. That goes for the dashers too.

Terry Smith

 

[Judy]

It would be good for the diversity of the gene pool if all types were given the chance to shine. That goes for the dashers too.Terry Smith

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That seems to be the sentiment of most people Terry :thumbsup:

The only sticking point I can see is finding the venues to do it. Of course it doesn't have to be racing clubs as such. I think the Venture Hill sprint already caters for some longer distances as does lure coursing so it could be said that the longer distance dogs are already being given a chance to shine. I suppose racing/lure coursing/hill sprints etc can't be all things to all people and maybe they shouldn't try but between them most dogs can be catered for.

Not sure whether or not I agree with this idea myself but, just for arguments sake, perhaps it is better to maintain different disciplines which suit different types of dogs so that different types get bred. The types can always be inter-bred and maybe that will actually maintain a more diverse gene pool than if we all tried to breed the all purpose whippet which probably wouldn't excel at anything. Then again... maybe not :unsure: What do you think?

 

[conway]

Maybe one of the bends could be changed to a longer straight distance as less and less people seem to like doing bends, although personally I would hate to see bends disappear altogether. But then we might have to find a different venue to fit the longer distance in.

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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: totally agree

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me too :thumbsup:

 

[Rob Rixon]

Very interesting - where do you get the idea that 'then the Whippet will just carry on and eventually just leave a Greyhound for dead as the Whippet possesses more stamina' ?

A Whippet does possess more stamina .....Look at the different working styles of a Whippet and Greyhound ....... The Terrier blood in the Whippet gives them the tenaciousness to keep going, the Greyhound does tire more quickly and lacking the fire of a Whippet also gives up quicker....Whippets do any obstacle put in their way when it comes to the real thing, many Greyhounds bottle it ....If you want the sight hound with the most stamina then that's the Saluki ....Of course this is just my opinion after being brought up with working dogs and spending my time around proper dog working Gypsies (my family) ....but now we are way off topic so this will probably be deleted :wacko:

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Hi Strike Whippets I like your style. See we are new to this breed! I've been pushing my mother for some more info as I'm in mid flow with researching the breed. My mother was a Roberts and when her grandfather's family moved, they took there running dogs to London with them, they were shoe & boot makers - all facts - and this was between 1851 and 1861 - I have documentry proof and some photos of this. So we have been running dogs a long time now. Unfortunately any quotes are either your opinion or can be backed up with more info - I will be happy to get emails direct

 

[naylorwhippets]

Maybe one of the bends could be changed to a longer straight distance as less and less people seem to like doing bends, although personally I would hate to see bends disappear altogether. But then we might have to find a different venue to fit the longer distance in.

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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: totally agree

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me too :thumbsup:

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i think anything over 275 may be a bit to much as some of the weight groups are getting more dogs in them now there would be to many races and to much for the dogs to do in one day. but i cant find anything wrong in a 150, 175, 240, 275, all in one champs season as morton looks well large enough and the differant distances would test the dogs . as for bend racing i would hate to see this go as it is my favourite kind of racing and truly test a good dog.

 

[Judy]

Wow! that's fascinating Rob. Are you writing a book? You should. Sounds like you might have some great material squirrelled away. Any chance of seeing those photos. Bet your great grandparents needed to be boot makers if they walked those dogs far

Off topic, I know but we've got an old photo taken outside our house around 1929. Hats, pipes, plus fours, amazing moustaches and the best bit.... what looks like a little terrier that wouldn't stand still and came out as a blur

 

[naylorwhippets]

are you on the photo judy

 

[Judy]

i think anything over 275 may be a bit to much as some of the weight groups are getting more dogs in them now  there would be to many races and to much for the dogs to do in one day. but i cant find anything wrong in a 150, 175, 240, 275, all in one champs season as morton looks well large enough and the differant distances would test the dogs . as for bend racing i would hate to see this go as it is my favourite kind of racing and truly test a good dog.

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I think that might favour the long distance dogs a bit too much myself. How about leaving the two 150 straights as they are for the sprinters and having one 240 yard bend and a 175-200 yard straight for the longer distance dogs.

You have a good point about the practicalities of running longer distances, although I don't think you would get any more dogs entering than before. Maybe I have misunderstood what you meant. Did you mean the 275 yards should be a bend?

 

[naylorwhippets]

yes a 275 bend the same as ran round a greyhound track.

 

[Judy]

Oh, Ok - I thought you meant a 275 straight to begin with :thumbsup:

 

[Joanna]

I quite like the idea of a variety of distances. I have just the two little darlings, one is most certainly a sprinter he would be great over 100yds :- " , the other (show-bred with coursing way back), is a chunky chap who will go on for ages and still want more :wub: . Having just started bend racing this year, I was encouraged to see some dogs doing really well who hadn't shone on the shorter distances. I agree that it would be nice to perhaps trial a different format to see if the entry is affected and also to see if the whippeteers liked it!

 

[BeeJay]

There are a few clubs that run on large sports grounds that could change the distance that they run their opens without the championships being involved. I can think of at least one that could comfortably run a 200+ yard straight or a bend if the committee and members wished. As they don't then either it's not occured to them or they don't want to for what I'm sure would be very good reasons.

I can see no point in changing the championship format if it doesn't reflect the distances that we run opens over.

IMO the top dogs would still win no matter what the distance. I can think of 2 Rch that have won over 150-200 yards, on a bend and also have won 400 yards hill sprints. (one is a 20lber and the other a 23-24lber). If 200+ yard straight races were brought in IMO all that would happen is that the top dogs would still win but by a bigger margin. Making for possibly demoralised dogs finishing behind them and some very boring racing.

 

[Judy]

There are a few clubs that run on large sports grounds that could change the distance that they run their opens without the championships being involved.  I can think of at least one that could comfortably run a 200+ yard straight or a bend if the committee and members wished.  As they don't then either it's not occured to them or they don't want to for what I'm sure would be very good reasons.

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Not sure what your point is but I suspect you might mean Gloucester Barbara, but for some reason didn't want to just say so. Or maybe you meant East Anglia? And yes, there are good reasons as far as Glos. is concerned. We aren't allowed to use just any part of the ground and are restricted in where we can park. Last year they didn't want us to run past the club house so, if you remember, we had to shorten the distance from 165 to 150yrds. You never know though, they might change their mind. But as we always vote on the format at the AGM's, within the restrictions we have, its up to the members what they want to do and we do always get a good entry. I've noticed that bends usually have a lower entry on the whole.

I can see no point in changing the championship format if it doesn't reflect the distances that we run opens over. 
IMO the top dogs would still win no matter what the distance.  I can think of 2 Rch that have won over 150-200 yards, on a bend and also have won 400 yards hill sprints.  (one is a 20lber and the other a 23-24lber).  If 200+ yard straight races were brought in IMO all that would happen is that the top dogs would still win but by a bigger margin.  Making for possibly demoralised dogs finishing behind them and some very boring racing.

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I think I tend to agree with you on that one.

 

[BeeJay]

I didn't name names 'cause it isn't my place to put clubs in the position of having to reply on here, same reason that I didn't name individual dogs bringing their owners into this discussion.

Thinking about it I can think of 2 possible unaffiliated grounds that could hold longer distance opens. I'm pretty certain that one of them has held 300 yard racing on it's ground in the past. All that's needed is someone to organise the event.

 

[Stripey]

Well, you know Judy is a time traveller! :thumbsup:

are you on the photo judy    

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[Judy]

Well, you know Judy is a time traveller! :thumbsup:

are you on the photo judy    

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:lol: I missed that one. Cheek! :lol: I prefer Jan's idea I'm sure I've seen the great-great-grand pups of that little terrier round here though. Little Rocky, the terrier that belongs to the gunsmith, looks just like him. Or maybe he came back with me in my time machine! Funnily enough, the summer before last they threw a barbecue and invited the whole village. The excuse was that it was Rocky's 100th birthday. I thought they meant in dog years...... but now I'm not so sure :unsure: Spooky!

 

[Strike Whippets]

Very interesting - where do you get the idea that 'then the Whippet will just carry on and eventually just leave a Greyhound for dead as the Whippet possesses more stamina' ?

A Whippet does possess more stamina .....Look at the different working styles of a Whippet and Greyhound ....... The Terrier blood in the Whippet gives them the tenaciousness to keep going, the Greyhound does tire more quickly and lacking the fire of a Whippet also gives up quicker....Whippets do any obstacle put in their way when it comes to the real thing, many Greyhounds bottle it ....If you want the sight hound with the most stamina then that's the Saluki ....Of course this is just my opinion after being brought up with working dogs and spending my time around proper dog working Gypsies (my family) ....but now we are way off topic so this will probably be deleted :wacko:

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Hi Strike Whippets I like your style. See we are new to this breed! I've been pushing my mother for some more info as I'm in mid flow with researching the breed. My mother was a Roberts and when her grandfather's family moved, they took there running dogs to London with them, they were shoe & boot makers - all facts - and this was between 1851 and 1861 - I have documentry proof and some photos of this. So we have been running dogs a long time now. Unfortunately any quotes are either your opinion or can be backed up with more info - I will be happy to get emails direct

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My Mum had the info, photos etc ....as it was her side of the family .......lets get Christmas out of the way and then i'll dig the stuff out from her attic :thumbsup: ......Do you just want to know about the dogs ?? ...... or the families ??