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When my dogs are boostered they get a full check up ect I also know that my vet will actually lose out in boostering my 4 dogs because I pay £50 each for them at their first vaccine and get boosters and check up for life so at 2 and 3 years old mine have already spent their £50 so to speak.
But if vets fees did cost me a lot its because I choose to have 4 dogs, I would love prices to be cheaper but as I've said before I wouldn't want to do it so I am thankful we have people who do, also I think they deserve to make a decent living when they have to study for 5/6 years, and have 3 high grade A levels in Chemistry, biology and maths before they can even train to be a vet (w00t)

I have a fabulous vet so maybe I'm a little biased but I don't think you can put a price on trust and the fact that my vet knows that my dogs mean the world to me and treats them as such

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Have you not read what has been written , ?

We are not concerned about the money , but the fact that our dogs are being given drugs that they DO NOT NEED , and that could, in fact, do major harm (w00t)

re read the thread again Lesley , and ask Lanny ( avaolonia ) for her piece about not needing all the jabs every year :huggles: makes very good reading :cheers:

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Yeah I read it, I was trying to point out that a lot of vets booster every year for the animals welfare not because it's easy money I personally don't think that my vet would booster my dogs if he thought for a minute that he was harming them in any way, it would be easier for him now not to booster because he isn't making any money out of it.

Dogs have been boostered every year for donkeys years, every dog I've every owned has, and they have all been fine and lived long happy lifes.

It's like HopeRosie says there are a lot of limitations if she doesn't booster, and like she says i could not live with my self if my dogs caught anything because they were unprotected, 5+ years is a long time wondering if you dog is still immune to these deadly diseases,also when you are racing ect its only right IMO that your dogs boostered up to date because of the welfare of other dogs as well as your own.

I'm not saying it's right, it's just my oppinion :thumbsup:

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I see what you are saying :huggles: , but the acticle says that by boosting EVERY year you are not giving a booster but may in fact be reducing the antibodies they already have :wacko:

None of mine have every had their boosters and Ive had Greyhounds and whippets live a full and happy life to 16,14 and 12 respectivly with no problems at all :cheers:

 

[05whippet]

When my dogs are boostered they get a full check up ect I also know that my vet will actually lose out in boostering my 4 dogs because I pay £50 each for them at their first vaccine and get boosters and check up for life so at 2 and 3 years old mine have already spent their £50 so to speak.
But if vets fees did cost me a lot its because I choose to have 4 dogs, I would love prices to be cheaper but as I've said before I wouldn't want to do it so I am thankful we have people who do, also I think they deserve to make a decent living when they have to study for 5/6 years, and have 3 high grade A levels in Chemistry, biology and maths before they can even train to be a vet (w00t)

I have a fabulous vet so maybe I'm a little biased but I don't think you can put a price on trust and the fact that my vet knows that my dogs mean the world to me and treats them as such

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Have you not read what has been written , ?

We are not concerned about the money , but the fact that our dogs are being given drugs that they DO NOT NEED , and that could, in fact, do major harm (w00t)

re read the thread again Lesley , and ask Lanny ( avaolonia ) for her piece about not needing all the jabs every year :huggles: makes very good reading :cheers:

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Yeah I read it, I was trying to point out that a lot of vets booster every year for the animals welfare not because it's easy money I personally don't think that my vet would booster my dogs if he thought for a minute that he was harming them in any way, it would be easier for him now not to booster because he isn't making any money out of it.

Dogs have been boostered every year for donkeys years, every dog I've every owned has, and they have all been fine and lived long happy lifes.

It's like HopeRosie says there are a lot of limitations if she doesn't booster, and like she says i could not live with my self if my dogs caught anything because they were unprotected, 5+ years is a long time wondering if you dog is still immune to these deadly diseases,also when you are racing ect its only right IMO that your dogs boostered up to date because of the welfare of other dogs as well as your own.

I'm not saying it's right, it's just my oppinion :thumbsup:

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I see what you are saying :huggles: , but the acticle says that by boosting EVERY year you are not giving a booster but may in fact be reducing the antibodies they already have :wacko:

None of mine have every had their boosters and Ive had Greyhounds and whippets live a full and happy life to 16,14 and 12 respectivly with no problems at all :cheers:

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Have to agree with you on this one Jax...I have NEVER given boosters to ANY of my dogs over the many years of having them nor has my father with his Sheperds and they have all lived on well into their late teens in many cases!!

On slightly different note...I wonder how many "big" kennels actually do give annual boosters,because it would be mighty expensive if you had say 20/30 dogs or more!!!

 

[masta]

When my dogs are boostered they get a full check up ect I also know that my vet will actually lose out in boostering my 4 dogs because I pay £50 each for them at their first vaccine and get boosters and check up for life so at 2 and 3 years old mine have already spent their £50 so to speak.
But if vets fees did cost me a lot its because I choose to have 4 dogs, I would love prices to be cheaper but as I've said before I wouldn't want to do it so I am thankful we have people who do, also I think they deserve to make a decent living when they have to study for 5/6 years, and have 3 high grade A levels in Chemistry, biology and maths before they can even train to be a vet (w00t)

I have a fabulous vet so maybe I'm a little biased but I don't think you can put a price on trust and the fact that my vet knows that my dogs mean the world to me and treats them as such

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Have you not read what has been written , ?

We are not concerned about the money , but the fact that our dogs are being given drugs that they DO NOT NEED , and that could, in fact, do major harm (w00t)

re read the thread again Lesley , and ask Lanny ( avaolonia ) for her piece about not needing all the jabs every year :huggles: makes very good reading :cheers:

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Yeah I read it, I was trying to point out that a lot of vets booster every year for the animals welfare not because it's easy money I personally don't think that my vet would booster my dogs if he thought for a minute that he was harming them in any way, it would be easier for him now not to booster because he isn't making any money out of it.

Dogs have been boostered every year for donkeys years, every dog I've every owned has, and they have all been fine and lived long happy lifes.

It's like HopeRosie says there are a lot of limitations if she doesn't booster, and like she says i could not live with my self if my dogs caught anything because they were unprotected, 5+ years is a long time wondering if you dog is still immune to these deadly diseases,also when you are racing ect its only right IMO that your dogs boostered up to date because of the welfare of other dogs as well as your own.

I'm not saying it's right, it's just my oppinion :thumbsup:

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I see what you are saying :huggles: , but the acticle says that by boosting EVERY year you are not giving a booster but may in fact be reducing the antibodies they already have :wacko:

None of mine have every had their boosters and Ive had Greyhounds and whippets live a full and happy life to 16,14 and 12 respectivly with no problems at all :cheers:

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its not possible to reduce antibodies? whenever a booster is given it will spike a antibody response the argument must surely be do the levels need boosting? i would say in most cases a lifelong antibody response will be achieved by primary dosage, in humans Hepatitis A vaccine has changed to a 25 year cover when for the last 20 years licsense has confered 10 years

 

[Bedlam]

I never give the dogs boosters, i used to give them the leptospirosis one but as mine meet rats regular i now longer bother as there bodys ammune system is doing its job.

 

[jayp]

Well heres a question for you

If as seems to be the case, not just from replies on here but from the many people i know in the dog game, not many breeders, or folk keeping more than one or two dogs have boosters EVER including me. Most are walked on public land,go racing showing etc. WHY ARNT OUR DOGS DROPPING LIKE FLIES?

The argument that is because everyone elses dogs are vaccinated dosnt wash because a recently vaccinated dog sheds the virus for some time afterwards.

The vaccine for Lepto only covers for one strain and only lasts for a few months so even if you boost yearly as used to be the norm your dog would still have months without immunity if thats what you beleive

My garden has ahealthy rat population with a stream and hens etc and none of mine have been boosted

My insurance co. Direct line will still insure the dogs just not covered for the diseases they are not given boosters for.

The whole point of the proposed legislation is that if we all refuse to boost as routine and question what we are told things will change just as the old protocal has been changed by the hard work and questioning minds of a few!!!! Jan

 

[alfyn]

I have NEVER given boosters to my dogs either,& never will !

Many a year ago,my vet said to me that if a puppy is vaccinated at 12 + weeks,& is then properly socialised & taken to all sorts of places,it will build up it's own immunity & will never need boosters.....how right was he :thumbsup:

 

[JAX]

Well heres a question for you
If as seems to be the case, not just from replies on here but from the many people i know in the dog game, not many breeders, or folk keeping more than one or two dogs have boosters EVER including me. Most are walked on public land,go racing showing etc. WHY ARNT OUR DOGS DROPPING LIKE FLIES?

The argument that is because everyone elses dogs are vaccinated dosnt wash because a recently vaccinated dog sheds the virus for some time afterwards.

The vaccine for Lepto only covers for one strain and only lasts for a few months so even if you boost yearly as used to be the norm your dog would still have months without immunity if thats what you beleive

My garden has ahealthy rat population with a stream and hens etc and none of mine have been boosted

My insurance co. Direct line will still insure the dogs just not covered for the diseases they are not given boosters for.

The whole point of the proposed legislation is that if we all refuse to boost as routine and question what we are told things will change just as the old protocal has been changed by the hard work and questioning minds of a few!!!! Jan

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But we both know that will never happen .Jan.Youve seen by some of the comments on here that they would nt be prepared to `risk it` and so many people believe everything the halo`d VET tells them , We could show all the proof in the world , but they still wouldnt believe us :b

 

[Seraphina]

If boosters would destroy the dogs' immunity, we would be seeing distemper and parvo on big scale. we do not. The last case of distemper I know of was almost 30 years ago. Parvo does appear here and there, somebody i know lost a dog from parvo about 3 years ago. She did not think he needs a booster. He had the normal 12 and 16 weeks parvo shots, but not booster year later, he was 6 months overdue when he got sick and died.

My vet told me almost 20 years ago that it is not necessary to give boosters each year, and I do booster my dogs accordingly, but they do need their juvenile vaccinations and then one booster year later. After that you may be safe for several years, but unless you do titre count test you cannot be sure.

Those people who never give boosters may have been just lucky that most of other dogs are vaccinated and immune, and therefore their dogs just plainly did not come in contact with these diseases. My vet told me he is worried that if it will become widely known that the boosters are not necessary every year, we will see many people not vaccinating at all, and we will see return of large number of cases of these totally preventable diseases.

It has already happened with some of these child diseases, as many people, frightened of the scare stories, stopped vaccinating their children. We have been seeing again cases of polio, illness we thought is almost eradicated. The problem is once the vaccination rates drop bellow certain percentage (80% somehow jumps into my mind, but it may not be right number) the disease has a great chance of becoming again widespread.

So please do vaccinate your dogs, because if you do not you have a good chance to see them dying horrible death.

 

[beaker]

Hmm it does give me a lot of food for thought all this, esspecially as 3 of mine are due for their boosters this month.

i asked one of the junior vets at my local practice last year why the vaccine dose was the same for a chihuahua (Sp?) as a great dane... his answer, he didn't know he did it cos the drug company told him to

some vets deffinitely want you in as often as possible for the money, one vet (not at my practice) told me that if i was more than a couple of weeks late for a booster i would have to start the whole thing again from primary vaccination :angry:

some vets do seem to be employing scare tactics to get you to spend money with them,"booster your dog or it will suffer a terrible death", "spey your bitch or she will escape and have hundreds of mongrel puppies"....

i'm sad to say that my vets seem to be heading down this same route, they have just got too big and commercial and they unquestioningly do what the drug companies tell them to. i've been with them for 20 years and last week when i went in for a check on Rosa's eye (it was fine and no treatment given but i still got charged the best part of 30 quid) i was handed about 5 sheets of ''information on my breed'' it listed 5 or six eye defect that my whippet is likely to be prone to, including collie eye :blink: von willibrands, liver shunt, alopecia, cryptorchidism, addisons disease, heart murmurs, the list went on and on for all of these i was recommended to come in annually to get them blood tested and checked for, plus all the recommended blood test to make sure my dog organs and blood cells counts looked ok. if i did as they had suggested i'd be in that surgery every week and my dog would be anaemic from all the blood letting :rant:

i know better, but think of all the new pet owners that go in there with their new family addition and leave wondering if the bouncy pup in front of them is about to drop dead.

real vets that will question why things are done are getting few and far between, there are fewer practices and more franchises, think 'vets for pets' and these pet store in house vets

cling on to your old time vet, don't let him or her EVER retire, because they are just being replaced by drug company representatives

........................... my conclusion.. DRUG COMPANIES RULE THE WORLD........................

little rant :b

 

[jinnyfizz]

This topic has rattled a few cages!!! I've seen it from both sides, having owned dogs, cats and horses for 40+ years and having been a drug rep for an animal health company for a while before returning to my normal day job as a drug rep in human health!!

From my own point of view, I have given dogs and cats their initial standard vaccination course but have rarely, if ever, given any boosters. This is partly due to their lifestyle as we are buried deep in the country and so they don't 'socialise' with lots of other dogs/cats. Apparently, from a statistical point of view, I was informed during my time as a vet rep that only around 25% of dogs in the UK are vaccinated and the majority of protection comes from 'herd immunity' inasmuchas the vaccinated population are enough to keep any virus at bay which therefore protects the unvaccinated population.

If there is any outbreak of canine/feline/equine flu these days it is generally because the virus has 'drifted' or 'shifted' (altered) into another virus and existing vaccines would not protect against that anyway! Also, we are not protecting against the lesser 'common cold' which they can still contract whether vaccinated or not.

Obviously, the more animals that are vaccinated, the more the drug companies and vets make and, in my experience, the drug company which offers the best deal is the one which gets the business (provided the vaccine has the clinical evidence to 'do the job').

Interestingly enough, in the thoroughbred horse racing world, the Jockey Club demand that racehorses have an annual booster at day 364 or before - very annoying when the duration of immunity bestowed by horse flu vaccine has been shown to be alot longer than one year........ but that's a whole new whinge!!

 

[Seraphina]

.  This is partly due to their lifestyle as we are buried deep in the country and so they don't 'socialise' with lots of other dogs/cats.

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Of-course, it only takes one diseased animal to infect your dog/cat. I think it is also possible to pick up both parvo and distemper from the ground. When I lost a puppy from Parvo, I was told I cannot bring a young pup on my property for 12 months. So your dogs do not need to actually have a direct contact with diseased animal.

I doubt that it is a little as only 25% of dogs in UK being vaccinated, as before vaccines t were available, whole litters were being lost. Certainly here in OZ, we have just few isolated cases of Parvo, and as far as i know it is the same in the UK. We have here vast majority of dogs vaccinated.

By the way, do foxes get distemper or parvovirus?

 

[kris]

parvo is an airborne virus.in the winter months it can build a 'shell' around itself to protect itself till conditions are more convivial to reproduce.its an extremely virulent and persistent disease.when we had it years ago we were told not to breed a litter for at least 12 months. i had a lot of experience with it about 1980 onwards.its a terrible disease.we all lived in dread of it

i was told that parvo was a disease manufactured in uk labs to rid the australian dingo population.its probaby a load of rubbish but this was the rumour circulating years ago.distemper as far as i know can be caught by any canine so i would think yes for foxes im not sure about parvo though

 

[midlanderkeith]

parvo is an airborne virus.in the winter months it can build a 'shell' around itself to protect itself till conditions are more convivial to reproduce.its an extremely virulent and persistent disease.when we had it years ago we were told not to breed a litter for at least 12 months. i had  a lot of experience with it about 1980 onwards.its a terrible disease.we all lived in dread of it i was told that parvo was a disease manufactured in uk labs to rid the australian dingo population.its probaby a load of rubbish but this was the rumour circulating years ago.distemper as far as i know can be caught by any canine so i would think yes for foxes im not sure about parvo though

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In certain countries i think they can i believe, parvo, must check this out

keith

 

[kris]

yes it can be caught by foxes and other canines

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.p...A&S=0&C=0&A=583

 

[Seraphina]

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I doubt that it is a little as only 25% of dogs in UK being vaccinated, as before vaccines t were available, whole litters were being lost.  Certainly here in OZ, we have just few isolated cases of Parvo, and as far as i know it is the same in the UK.  We have here vast majority of dogs vaccinated. 

By the way, do foxes get distemper or parvovirus?

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:b I meant to say nowadays we have just few isolated cases (it is 1.30am here and I had a long hard day, and should really be in bed)

I was lucky I did not have any litters in those years that parvo appeared. The puppy i lost was bred by a friend, and it was bad enough to loose her. I watched my friends loosing whole litters, it was heartbreaking, and nobody knew what it was for a while.

i was told that parvo was a disease manufactured in uk labs to rid the australian dingo population

I did not know you had dingos in UK (w00t)

I think it came from the same source that claims that HIV virus was manufactured CIA :lol:

 

[kris]

lol there was a rumour that it was produced by the english germ warfare labs in response to a request from the aussie government for a way of contolling the dingo population!no we dont have any dingoes in the uk! :lol:

 

[midlanderkeith]

lol there was a rumour that it was produced by the english germ warfare labs in response to a request from the aussie government for a way of contolling the dingo population!no we dont have any dingoes in the uk! :lol:

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No dingos in the uk, drongos yes :lol:

 

[dawn]

lol there was a rumour that it was produced by the english germ warfare labs in response to a request from the aussie government for a way of contolling the dingo population!no we dont have any dingoes in the uk! :lol:

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No dingos in the uk, drongos yes :lol:

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JAX told me that there are and that Badger is their grandsire

 

[jayp]

If boosters would destroy the dogs' immunity, we would be seeing distemper and parvo on big scale.  we do not.  The last case of distemper I know of was almost 30 years ago.  Parvo does appear here and there, somebody i know lost a dog from parvo about 3 years ago.  She did not think he needs a booster.  He had the normal 12 and 16 weeks parvo shots, but not booster year later, he was 6 months overdue when he got sick and died.
My vet told me almost 20 years ago that it is not necessary to give boosters each year, and I do booster my dogs accordingly, but they do need their juvenile vaccinations and then one booster year later.  After that you may be safe for several years, but unless you do titre count test  you cannot be sure.

Those people who never give boosters may have been just lucky that most of other dogs are vaccinated and immune, and therefore their dogs just plainly did not come in contact with these diseases.  My vet told me he is worried that if it will become widely known that the boosters are not necessary every year, we will see many people not vaccinating at all, and we will see return of large number of cases of these totally preventable diseases. 

It has already happened with some of these child diseases, as many people, frightened of the scare stories, stopped vaccinating their children.  We have been seeing again cases of polio, illness we thought is almost eradicated.  The problem is once the vaccination rates drop bellow certain percentage (80% somehow jumps into my mind, but it may not be right number) the disease has a great chance of becoming again widespread.

So please do vaccinate your dogs, because if you do not you have a good chance to see them dying horrible death.

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I dont recall the article saying "dont vaccinate" but what it is saying is that yearly boosters are not necessary in fact it clearly states all researchers are adamant that first vaccinations are vital. What is being said is that vets should discuss the new research and not just ignore it We all know drug companies do the research and in humans some have found to their cost that what we have been told is safe results in serious side effects.

IT IS UP TO EVERY INDIVIDUAL DOG OWNER TO MAKE A CHOICE ON WHETHER TO BOOST AND HOW OFTEN BUT LETS MAKE IT AN INFORMED CHOICE!!!!!!!!

Jan

 

[JAX]

lol there was a rumour that it was produced by the english germ warfare labs in response to a request from the aussie government for a way of contolling the dingo population!no we dont have any dingoes in the uk! :lol:

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No dingos in the uk, drongos yes :lol:

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JAX told me that there are and that Badger is their grandsire

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Yeh so what , you gonna make an issue out of it :cheers: