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rubbish,stop dreaming
They've got it all speed stamina & crackin nose even... it's obvious to me which is the superior dog :blink:
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no i know the difference between line breeding and inbreeding. :- and i do know a bit about genetic inheritance and recessive genes and dominant genes .do you?plummers werent bred primarily as an earth dog but as a ratting dog for which they are superb though some of the working lads do use them as earth dogs though why is beyond me :wacko: Yes I believe it is beyond you :thumbsup: Why breed from excellent earh dogs to achieve a terrier for ratting?
as i said before(maybe you missed it!)plummers werent bred as earth dogs they were bred primarily as ratting dogs. :wacko:
get a patterdale or a lakie!
plummer foundation stock wasnt healthy to begin with, leg and hip defects abounded and still do
Are you trying to say these plummers were bred from stock that was nt healthy to start with?
SOME plummers are bred from faulty stock.some arent.the ones that are are the ones im concerned about.but the basic foundation stock (and im going back to the beginnings of the breed)were fraught with health defects.ask anyone who knows about the beginnings of the breed its not hidden. talk to the registrars. :thumbsup:
but as the working lads say so what if it skips as long as it can work?
ARE THESE THE VERY SAME DOGS YOU SAW PLACED HIGHLY AT SHOWS? AND YOU MUST OF ASKED THEM IF THEY WORK THEM TO GET YOUR ANSWER FROM THESE WORKING LADS :- ?
yes some of the well known breeders do make these statements andyes.and its obvious they are working dogs.and are proud of it
having said this there are a few intelligent breeders of them who are taking steps to rectify the situation
AND PRAY TELL HOW THESE INTELLIGENT BREEDERS INTEND TO ERADICATE THESE PROBLEMS PLEASE? SIMPLE FACT IS THEY SHOULD NT BE BREEDING FROM DEFECTIVE DOGS TO BEGIN WITH :thumbsup:
the people breeding from the defective dogs are not what id class as intelligent breeders.however there are people with a vast knowledge of genetics and the breed who are doing their best to breed healthy dogs and are having a lot of success.
and are not breeding brother to sister and father to daughter which is what the workers do,so there is hope for the breed
now are you getting line breeding confused with inbreeding? Both are fraught with possibilities that may not produce what is needed :thumbsup: and then again it can produce excellent strong stock
OH yes Im impressed you know about genetics :- fascinated by Meindl's theories with peas but just cant get my head round the connections between peas and dogs(or any animals for that matter)no i know the difference between line breeding and inbreeding. :- and i do know a bit about genetic inheritance and recessive genes and dominant genes .do you?plummers werent bred primarily as an earth dog but as a ratting dog for which they are superb though some of the working lads do use them as earth dogs though why is beyond me :wacko: Yes I believe it is beyond you :thumbsup: Why breed from excellent earh dogs to achieve a terrier for ratting?
as i said before(maybe you missed it!)plummers werent bred as earth dogs they were bred primarily as ratting dogs. :wacko:
get a patterdale or a lakie!
plummer foundation stock wasnt healthy to begin with, leg and hip defects abounded and still do
Are you trying to say these plummers were bred from stock that was nt healthy to start with?
SOME plummers are bred from faulty stock.some arent.the ones that are are the ones im concerned about.but the basic foundation stock (and im going back to the beginnings of the breed)were fraught with health defects.ask anyone who knows about the beginnings of the breed its not hidden. talk to the registrars. :thumbsup:
but as the working lads say so what if it skips as long as it can work?
ARE THESE THE VERY SAME DOGS YOU SAW PLACED HIGHLY AT SHOWS? AND YOU MUST OF ASKED THEM IF THEY WORK THEM TO GET YOUR ANSWER FROM THESE WORKING LADS :- ?
yes some of the well known breeders do make these statements andyes.and its obvious they are working dogs.and are proud of it
having said this there are a few intelligent breeders of them who are taking steps to rectify the situation
AND PRAY TELL HOW THESE INTELLIGENT BREEDERS INTEND TO ERADICATE THESE PROBLEMS PLEASE? SIMPLE FACT IS THEY SHOULD NT BE BREEDING FROM DEFECTIVE DOGS TO BEGIN WITH :thumbsup:
the people breeding from the defective dogs are not what id class as intelligent breeders.
and are not breeding brother to sister and father to daughter which is what the workers do,so there is hope for the breed
now are you getting line breeding confused with inbreeding? Both are fraught with possibilities that may not produce what is needed :thumbsup: and then again it can produce excellent strong stock
So with the bit you do know about genetics would you like to explain
stud dog A mates brood bitch B a fine healthy litter are produced :thumbsup: 18 month later as the pups turned out so good a repeat mating is done twixt stud dog A and brood bitch B with totally differing results :- WHY? both parents were the same so the genetics were the same?
As I said Meindl's result were conclusive you either got one or the other results in his tests so why are nt animals predictable in producing the same?
ive no intention of giving free lectures on genetics.if you want to understand it then do what i did ......go study it. :thumbsup:
start with willis's genetics of the dog
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/titl...illis/sortby/3/
then if you can follow that theres a lot more you can study.most people when first studying genetics cant follow it, its very complex and needs a read or two before it sinks in, once youve grasped the basics the rest follows logically.mendel had the basics correct and the basic modes follow whether its peas or dogs,but we know so much more know about the terms of inheritance now that we ever did.every days a learning day
http://anthro.palomar.edu/mendel/mendel_1.htm
start with willis's genetics of the dog
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/titl...illis/sortby/3/
then if you can follow that theres a lot more you can study.most people when first studying genetics cant follow it, its very complex and needs a read or two before it sinks in, once youve grasped the basics the rest follows logically.mendel had the basics correct and the basic modes follow whether its peas or dogs,but we know so much more know about the terms of inheritance now that we ever did.every days a learning day
http://anthro.palomar.edu/mendel/mendel_1.htm
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You may reckon to understand genetics but geez you dont like answering questions they're the sentences that end with a ?ive no intention of giving free lectures on genetics.if you want to understand it then do what i did ......go study it. :thumbsup: start with willis's genetics of the dog
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/titl...illis/sortby/3/
then if you can follow that theres a lot more you can study.most people when first studying genetics cant follow it, its very complex and needs a read or two before it sinks in, once youve grasped the basics the rest follows logically.mendel had the basics correct and the basic modes follow whether its peas or dogs,but we know so much more know about the terms of inheritance now that we ever did.every days a learning day
http://anthro.palomar.edu/mendel/mendel_1.htm
As I stated Mendll's experiments were on plants and he basically got a white flower ora purple flower :thumbsup: nothing else, so why do litters of pups vary so much in colour from one litter to the next when the parents are the same?
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Mendel pretty much made up his results even though he was basicaly correct in his assumptions. He was a monk - you can't trust anyone.
To answer the question as to why different litters show different abilities/colours; it's more of a probability issue rather than a genetic one per se. There's a 50:50 chance of any single gene a parent has appearing in an offspring - think of a coin toss, do it 4 times and you might get 3:1 heads/tails but repeat and next time it might be 4:0 tails:heads and it's the same with genes and consequently the expression of those genes in the pups.
To answer the question as to why different litters show different abilities/colours; it's more of a probability issue rather than a genetic one per se. There's a 50:50 chance of any single gene a parent has appearing in an offspring - think of a coin toss, do it 4 times and you might get 3:1 heads/tails but repeat and next time it might be 4:0 tails:heads and it's the same with genes and consequently the expression of those genes in the pups.
Very inconclusive
littered with "still ongoing" "results differ from earlier reports" "DNA is nearer the mark" so which parts are relaive to your understanding of genetics? PleaseSO IYHO(AS MINE) GENETICS WHEN BREEDING ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO PRODUCE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM TWO PARENTS :thumbsup:
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