Non Ped Whippet, Or Not .......................

[peony]

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:* Ok, I am female. :wacko: I am blonde. :unsure: Need I say more? (w00t)

Have had a few questions floating around my headspace for a while now and just cant seem to find a solution anywhere, so I feel its time to risk the humiliation of appearing a total no-brainer and hope that you, bright and caninely knowledgable people out there can help me :thumbsup:

Right then, get yourselves a drink, pull up a chair and I shall begin ......

( to be read out loud, in ones BESTEST Plattell styleeeeeeee ) o

As some of you will know, I have fairly recently acquired a puppy. He is 3/4 greyhound, 1/4 whippet and should the fancy take me, I harbour notions that one day , he might try his paw at racing. Now here lies the crux of the issue ............it has been said, that a greyhound whippet cross is actually known as a longdog, which theoretically means he wont be eligible to be entered in lurcher classes ( in certain circles, wouldnt this kind of behaviour be deemed as 'trophy hunting? )

:wacko: Hmmmmmmm, so methinks, this perhaps means that he might have to enter classes for Non Ped whippets ? Why, are there Non Ped whippets? surely a non ped of any breed is a mongrel? And, if we are being literal, shouldnt a cross such as Archer be classed as a non ped greyhound? How much whippet does a dog have to have in its breeding, to retain the title ' non ped whippet' ??

I have been looking at the non ped database , particularly for some of the lovely dogs who are featured time and time again, on K9, and cant work out at all, how dogs which run as non peds, appear to be almost entirely greyhound, with only a token whippet thrown into the mix.........................its no bloody wonder I am confused :wacko: :wacko: :unsure:

Its such a vague area, to me anyway; how on earth are show /race organisers to decide just who is eligible for what classes/races? What happens if a 'non ped' is constantly entered in 'lurcher' clases .......isnt there a huge advantage for the owner of the non ped greyhound ?????

I would like to think that if and when I decide to do something with Archer, I am able to select the correct category in which to enter him . :thumbsup:

 

[rodders]

As far as I see it Peony at Lurcher shows in the showing department classes are labled so enter into what ever category your dog comes under.I think nowdays most classes go through to the final so that shouldn't present a problem for you.As for racing, whippet/greyhounds have been racing at lurcher shows for years,the only split I have ever seen (besides height ofcourse) is rough and smooth racing.If you are saying you would feel guilty about running a whippet/greyhound,then don't at the end of the day a whippet/greyhound is capable of catching live quarry just like any other running dog Karen

 

[masta]

"it has been said, that a greyhound whippet cross is actually known as a longdog, which theoretically means he wont be eligible to be entered in lurcher classes ( in certain circles, wouldnt this kind of behaviour be deemed as 'trophy hunting? )"

were i come from its a lurcher

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

i had a non ped years ago,,,,which i raced at a whippet clubs and lurcher racing,,,,i didnt come across any problems at the lurcher mettings,,they were quite happy to let me race and show my dog

if ur wondering which one to do with ur dog ,,,i would recommend do both lurcher & whippet racing ( double the injoyment )

 

[stormydog]

peony i think im the the only person whos translating your question right at the minute..correct me if im wrong in that.....

are you asking...WHY ARE THESE DOGS CALLED "NON-PED WHIPPETS WHEN REALLY THEY ARE CLOSER TO GREYHOUNDS SO THEREFORE WHY ARE THEY NOT CALLED "NON-PED GREYHOUNDS INSTEAD ?

funny should ask that. a freiend of mine always jokes about us racing types by saying......"when is a greyhound not a greyhound..when its a non-ped whippet ".

i get this everytime he hears about non-ped racing. hes bought a whippet which he thinks hes going to be competeing with in england this year with.... (w00t)

john

 

[peony]

peony i think im the the only person whos translating your question right at the minute..correct me if im wrong in that.....are you asking...WHY ARE THESE DOGS CALLED "NON-PED WHIPPETS WHEN REALLY THEY ARE CLOSER TO GREYHOUNDS SO THEREFORE WHY ARE THEY NOT CALLED  "NON-PED GREYHOUNDS INSTEAD ?

funny should ask that. a freiend of mine always jokes about us racing types by saying......"when is a greyhound not a greyhound..when its a non-ped whippet ".

i get this everytime he hears about non-ped racing. hes bought a whippet which he thinks hes going to be competeing with in england this year with.... (w00t)

    john

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You got it John, .............................................its all a loada nonsense to me :thumbsup: Seems there are no real guidelines for the uninitiated like myself.

 

[rodders]

Stop being clever John doesn't matter how much whippet is in it Non Ped means exactly that.Peony may be lucky and her non ped whippet might stay small enough to race out of whippet traps if not then she can bend race with it or just go to lurcher shows.Plenty of choice there :thumbsup: Karen

P S is your mates whippet ped or non ped

 

[stormydog]

Stop being clever John doesn't matter how much whippet is in it Non Ped means exactly that.Peony may be lucky and her non ped whippet might stay small enough to race out of whippet traps if not then she can bend race with it or just go to lurcher shows.Plenty of choice there :thumbsup:   KarenP S is your mates whippet ped or non ped

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karen...hes got no mission of competeing...its a lovely dog though. quick but not enough greyhound involved i think its beddy whippet x whippet greyhound.

hes coming to selby at easter . . among the other 16 of us.....looking forward to it and kelmarsh too.

john

 

[rodders]

(w00t) OMG Hope South Yorkshire is ready for the invasion of our pals from across the water. Karen

 

[stormydog]

(w00t) OMG Hope South Yorkshire is ready for the invasion of our pals from across the water. Karen

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I RECKON THAT SHOULD SUM IT UP !!

J o HN

 

[Vicky]

It's confusing isn't it Peony, i've raced from being a kid and still it's hard to explain the answer to your question. At the moment there is no limit on the amount of greyhound blood that is maximum in a non ped whippet it just has to be "whippet like in appearance" which to me leaves the governing bodies wide open to abuse but there you go. Your dog would definitely not be out of place at a non ped meeting, the scratch classes (for dogs 35lb and over) are quite a big thing now being like an open in their own right whereas 10/15 years ago scratch racing was an "add on" to the normal open handicaps and brought in so that dogs that threw to the greyhound side of their breeding (typical example is a whippet racer at our club who has a 7 1/2 month old pup weighing in 40lb but is bred from a 22lb dog to a 21lb bitch) could still compete whilst excluded from the main handicap (which has a weight limit of either 32lb or 35lb depending on which body you run under), however since scratch racing has become so popular of late people are going out to purposely breed bigger dogs hence putting more greyhound in them and making the scratch classes a lot more competative, the main handicap does not lose out and the scratch racers get their runs so everyone is happy (in theory lol).

Hope that helps a little.

 

[Vicky]

Oh and fingers crossed you do decide to give your lad a go at racing, would be lovely to see how he goes! :cheers:

 

[billyboy45]

:* Ok, I am female. :wacko:   I am blonde.  :unsure: Need I say more?  (w00t)
Have had a few questions floating around my headspace for a while now and just cant seem to find a solution anywhere, so I feel its time to risk the humiliation of appearing a total no-brainer and hope that you, bright and caninely knowledgable people out there can help me  :thumbsup:

Right then, get yourselves a drink, pull up a chair and I shall begin ......

( to be read out loud, in ones BESTEST Plattell styleeeeeeee ) o

As some of you will know, I have fairly recently acquired a puppy. He is 3/4 greyhound, 1/4 whippet and should the fancy take me, I harbour notions that one day , he might try his paw at racing. Now here lies the crux of the issue ............it has been said, that a greyhound whippet cross is actually known as a longdog, which theoretically means he wont be eligible to be entered in lurcher classes ( in certain circles, wouldnt this kind of behaviour be deemed as 'trophy hunting? )

:wacko: Hmmmmmmm, so methinks, this perhaps means that he might have to enter classes for Non Ped whippets ? Why, are there Non Ped whippets? surely a non ped of any breed is a mongrel? And, if we are being literal, shouldnt a cross such as Archer be classed as a non ped greyhound? How much whippet does a dog have to have in its breeding, to retain the title ' non ped whippet' ??

I have been looking at the non ped database , particularly for some of the lovely dogs who are featured time and time again, on K9, and cant work out at all, how  dogs which run as non peds, appear to be almost entirely greyhound, with only a token whippet thrown into the mix.........................its no bloody wonder I am confused  :wacko:     :wacko:   :unsure:  

Its such a vague area, to me anyway; how on earth are show /race organisers  to decide just who is eligible for what classes/races? What happens if a 'non ped' is constantly entered in 'lurcher' clases .......isnt there a huge advantage for the owner of the non ped greyhound ?????

I would like to think that if and when I decide to do something with Archer, I am able to select the correct category in which to enter him .  :thumbsup:

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Caroline, Billy here.I would just like to add ,that the balls in youre court,so to speak.And unless you run up against some very strict show officials,then you show him in whatever catagory you feel fit to.He will be as well made as any 3/4 colliexGreyhound,going by the bone on him,so i cant see any problems entering him in Lurcher classes.You might get some who will say he's not WhippetxGreyhound though,with his hieght and build.That has happened to me on occasion's.One judje even argued with me, that a dog i bred out of my own line of WhippetxGreyhounds,was 3/4 or 5/8, 3/8 ColliexGreyhound.As it happened,this was the type of dog that this judge had kept in all his 30 odd years of working lurchers,but he couldnt tell the difference in a well made 3/4 Whippetxgreyhound and a ColliexGreyhound.Anyway Caroline,you will have no problem racing this boy in whatever and where ever you like.Same for showing.What hieght n weight is he now. ....Billy...

 

[peony]

:cheers: Thanks for all the replies chaps, :thumbsup: ............at last, some light on a rather dim and darkly confusing topic. I guess I shall just have to play it by ear a little and see how Archer comes along. I know they all go through growth spurts, but at the moment, he looks less like a greyhound than a poodle does (w00t) .

Billy, weighed him mid Jan ( havent access to scales at the moment, but will rectify that soon) when he was 30lb 8oz. Height wise, he is 22" at the shoulder. Does this match up with his brothers ????

 

[*Lesley*]

I thought that a non ped whippet would only be a pure bred whippet without papers to prove it's origin, and that anything else would either be a whippet cross or a lurcher :unsure:

 

[billyboy45]

:cheers: Thanks for all the replies chaps,  :thumbsup: ............at last, some light on a rather dim and darkly confusing topic. I guess I shall just have to play it by ear a little and see how Archer comes along. I know they all go through growth spurts, but at the moment, he looks less like a greyhound than a poodle does  (w00t) .Billy, weighed him mid Jan ( havent access to scales at the moment, but will rectify that soon) when he was 30lb 8oz. Height wise, he is 22" at the shoulder. Does this match up with his brothers ????

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I think the one in Cornwall is bigger n hevier,not sure though.Mine are ,black n white dog,18 1/2=30lb,Brindle dog,18 1/2=28lb,dark brindle bitch,18=25lb,wee black n white bitch,17ish=23lb.I will try to find out,the hight n weight of the other pup in cornwall. ....Billy....

 

[Tony Taylor]

I thought that a non ped whippet would only be a pure bred whippet without papers to prove it's origin, and that anything else would either be a whippet cross or a lurcher :unsure:

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You might think that but you would be wrong.

Non-peds aren`t whippets then?

The KC doesn`t have copyright over the term whippet. Whippets were around long before the Kennel Club or the Whippet breed club was formed. Non KC whippets have a pedigree - most can easily go back 10 generations; the terms pedigree and non-pedigree are misnomers. All whippets are considered by most experts of the breed to be the product of cross breeding in origin. The origin of KC dogs, especially forgein KC, can contain unregistered breeding. In the KC standard nowhere does it state that the parents of a whippet pup must be registered with the KC as part of the standard.

Whippet is a type of dog in the same way as terrier, retreiver, spaniel, collie are types of dog and the type is defined by function not breeding in any case.

Pure bred always makes me laugh. It would stand for something if "pure breds" were superior in any way but they aren't, well apart from being able to win prizes in a show ring being judged by other mistaken individuals.

 

[rodders]

I thought that a non ped whippet would only be a pure bred whippet without papers to prove it's origin, and that anything else would either be a whippet cross or a lurcher :unsure:

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You might think that but you would be wrong.

Non-peds aren`t whippets then?

The KC doesn`t have copyright over the term whippet. Whippets were around long before the Kennel Club or the Whippet breed club was formed. Non KC whippets have a pedigree - most can easily go back 10 generations; the terms pedigree and non-pedigree are misnomers. All whippets are considered by most experts of the breed to be the product of cross breeding in origin. The origin of KC dogs, especially forgein KC, can contain unregistered breeding. In the KC standard nowhere does it state that the parents of a whippet pup must be registered with the KC as part of the standard.

Whippet is a type of dog in the same way as terrier, retreiver, spaniel, collie are types of dog and the type is defined by function not breeding in any case.

Pure bred always makes me laugh. It would stand for something if "pure breds" were superior in any way but they aren't, well apart from being able to win prizes in a show ring being judged by other mistaken individuals.

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Love this reply Tony :thumbsup: Karen

 

[*Lesley*]

I thought that a non ped whippet would only be a pure bred whippet without papers to prove it's origin, and that anything else would either be a whippet cross or a lurcher :unsure:

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You might think that but you would be wrong.

Non-peds aren`t whippets then?

The KC doesn`t have copyright over the term whippet. Whippets were around long before the Kennel Club or the Whippet breed club was formed. Non KC whippets have a pedigree - most can easily go back 10 generations; the terms pedigree and non-pedigree are misnomers. All whippets are considered by most experts of the breed to be the product of cross breeding in origin. The origin of KC dogs, especially forgein KC, can contain unregistered breeding. In the KC standard nowhere does it state that the parents of a whippet pup must be registered with the KC as part of the standard.

Whippet is a type of dog in the same way as terrier, retreiver, spaniel, collie are types of dog and the type is defined by function not breeding in any case.

Pure bred always makes me laugh. It would stand for something if "pure breds" were superior in any way but they aren't, well apart from being able to win prizes in a show ring being judged by other mistaken individuals.

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I didn't say that they were superior :unsure: I didnt mention KC registration either, in papers I was refering to pedigree of parentage, a whippet is only a whippet if bred from 2 whippets is it not?whether it has papers to say so or not, but if bred with any other breed then it becomes a cross.

 

[rodders]

How many generations have we got to go back before we say pure whippet Lesley? Karen