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5, 7, 9 peds? Not sure about the rest though :unsure:

 

[Tony Taylor]

The defining difference between "pedigree" and "none-pedigree" whippets is that peds have a piece of paper that says they are registered with the kennel club and non peds do not. The true nomenclature ought to be Kc registered pedigree whippets an non KC registered (pedigree) whippets.

I think it's fair to say all dogs have a pedigree; it's just whether the pedigree is known that's all. The majority of non-ped racers are able to trace their pedigrees back as far as to be practical, that is, to just after the second world war. There is a good non ped data base on this site.

The posistion of those dogs that have KC registered parents that have not themselves been registered with the KC raises an interesting point. Are thes dogs non peds because they don't have the relevant paperwork and do they change type if they become registered?

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

The defining difference between "pedigree" and "none-pedigree" whippets is that peds have a piece of paper that says they are registered with the kennel club and non peds do not. The true nomenclature ought to  be Kc registered pedigree whippets an non KC registered (pedigree) whippets. 

 

True Tony but its a bit of a gobfull everytime you want to describe the difference.

(Especially if you have a speech impediment like me :lol:   :lol: )

 

 

 

 

I think it's fair to say all dogs have a pedigree; it's just whether the pedigree is known that's all.

 

 

I'm too weary to root through the OED just now but I'm pretty sure it defines a pedigree as a written record. Which your average mongrel doesn't have.

 

 

 

The majority of non-ped racers are able to trace their pedigrees back as far as to be practical, that is, to just after the second world war. There is a good non ped data base on this site.

 

The posistion of those dogs that have KC registered parents that have not themselves been registered with the KC raises an interesting point. Are thes dogs non peds because they don't have the relevant paperwork

 

 

Extremely interesting point! One presumes the parents have a written record of their ancestry. Therefore their progeny have that written record behind them, even though the actual dog doesn't have its piece of paper. One could look at a KC ped as an admission form into KC events. As long as the KC runs most major shows & other activities a KC ped will have some importance.

 

 

and do they change type if they become registered?

 

 

"Type" is a set of physical characteristics bred in by human "interference" (for want of a better word). Obviously they will not change type.

 

Think you & I have been down this road before Tony. IMO the differences between the various KC ped bloodlines (which do occur) are less marked than the differences within the "non-KC reg" whippets.

 

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[dawn]

Going on the pictures I would say 4, 6, 8, 9, 10 are pedigree

4 & 6 looks like the same dog

I can even tell you the breeding of 1 of them number 10 was sired by Jason can spot em a mile off :huggles: :wub:

 

[JAX]

Id say 2,4,6 and10 are ped . number 7 :wub: has the classic `apple dome `head I was on about . what a sweetie too :wub:

Some arnt easy to see as they are too far away .

 

[kitty]

And what about temperament? Someone was telling me that different lines can vary enormously in temperament. Do you find this?

I am thinking of getting a whippet as a family pet, and am wondering exactly what is the best thing to do right now, with regard to finding the right place to get our dog.

 

[senga]

Also this is Totty (Kenmillone Silver Tongue of Lynperry) her father (and the father of my new peddy pup)

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hi susan i got one of robbie n sophies pups she is so like him now could you email me with your address at kellyclark085@aol.com so i could send you pics of her.thanx.

 

[JAX]

Having only had show bred whippets , I can tell you that they are most loving .All have differant Characters as do people , I do know of one line that are prone to deafness ( selective hearing :- " not real deafness ) and one who are real escape artists , but she dosnt breed any more , No they didnt ALL run away :lol:

I suppose racing bred whips are` keener `than show bred ( in theory any way .

But what ever `type` of Whippet you go for , they are the best breed ever :wub:

 

[dawn]

Sorry Jax but I have to disagree with you about most non peds having apple dome heads, the non ped I had years ago had the most wonderful shaped head that any pedigree whippet would have been proud of. :thumbsup:

I think with the non peds it all depends on the lines as it does with peds and what cross it has been interbred with - although I appreciate not ALL non-peds are crosses - along the generations. (w00t)

I think it is difficult to tell some peds from non peds by just looking at pictures but I am sure if we could get hands on and see them in the flesh we would be able to pick the majority out. :thumbsup:

 

[Vicky]

IMO it stands out a mile, peds are much more "smooth" is the only way i can describe it. Non peds have a strong flat back and more muscle definition (even if they're not in race fitness).

Will stop there, cos i can't really go on without being bias

 

[Lolcoe]

And  what about temperament?  Someone was telling me that  different  lines can vary enormously in  temperament. Do you  find this?
I am thinking of getting a whippet as a family pet, and  am wondering exactly what is the best thing to do right now, with regard to finding the  right place to  get our dog.

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I dont think any Whippet is the same temperament wise, they seem all good and can wrap you around your little finger by just one glance

I have found though that with Genie and Diamond coming from breeders with children, they are more 'child friendly' whereas Rebel who came from a non child household is a little less tolerant.

 

[Susan]

hi susan i got one of robbie n sophies pups she is so like him now could you email me with your address at kellyclark085@aol.com so i could send you pics of her.thanx.

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Hi Kelly

I will send you an e-mail and would love some photo's of Tanya. She was like her dad :thumbsup:

Put some on k9 too

 

[weathergirls]

Going on the pictures I would say 4, 6, 8, 9, 10 are pedigree
4 & 6 looks like the same dog

I can even tell you the breeding of 1 of them number 10 was sired by Jason can spot em a mile off  :huggles:   :wub:

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afraid not No 10 is mine Tillie her mother is chicane who is 1/2 greyhound 1/2 whippet and her dad is 2 become one who is 1/4 greyhound

 

[pamalkie]

hi susan i got one of robbie n sophies pups she is so like him now could you email me with your address at kellyclark085@aol.com so i could send you pics of her.thanx.

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Hi Kelly

I will send you an e-mail and would love some photo's of Tanya. She was like her dad :thumbsup:

Put some on k9 too

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Kelly is this your wee pup Tanya :wub: Taken at Cumnock in the summer

 

[fallenangel]

IMO it stands out a mile, peds are much more "smooth" is the only way i can describe it.  Non peds have a strong flat back and more muscle definition (even if they're not in race fitness).
Will stop there, cos i can't really go on without being bias

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I know what vickys saying in the pic of lacey she wasnt in race condion and was still flat backed peds are more tucked under theres definatly a differnce

 

[wild whippies]

afraid not No 10 is mine Tillie her mother is chicane who is 1/2 greyhound 1/2 whippet and her dad is 2 become one who is 1/4 greyhound

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Hope you didn't mind Linda, I consider her a lovely example, not only pretty but swift too. :thumbsup:

As for personality well our Dobby (non-ped) is a typical whippet pup, bouncy, happy and keen to please, he's just more noticable cos he's a big dobber lol :lol:

 

[Tony Taylor]

The defining difference between "pedigree" and "none-pedigree" whippets is that peds have a piece of paper that says they are registered with the kennel club and non peds do not. The true nomenclature ought to  be Kc registered pedigree whippets an non KC registered (pedigree) whippets. 

 

True Tony but its a bit of a gobfull everytime you want to describe the difference.

(Especially if you have a speech impediment like me :lol:   :lol: )

 

 

 

 

I think it's fair to say all dogs have a pedigree; it's just whether the pedigree is known that's all.

 

 

I'm too weary to root through the OED just now but I'm pretty sure it defines a pedigree as a written record. Which your average mongrel doesn't have.

 

 

 

The majority of non-ped racers are able to trace their pedigrees back as far as to be practical, that is, to just after the second world war. There is a good non ped data base on this site.

 

The posistion of those dogs that have KC registered parents that have not themselves been registered with the KC raises an interesting point. Are thes dogs non peds because they don't have the relevant paperwork

 

 

Extremely interesting point! One presumes the parents have a written record of their ancestry. Therefore their progeny have that written record behind them, even though the actual dog doesn't have its piece of paper. One could look at a KC ped as an admission form into KC events. As long as the KC runs most major shows & other activities a KC ped will have some importance.

 

 

and do they change type if they become registered?

 

 

"Type" is a set of physical characteristics bred in by human "interference" (for want of a better word). Obviously they will not change type.

 

Think you & I have been down this road before Tony. IMO the differences between the various KC ped bloodlines (which do occur) are less marked than the differences within the "non-KC reg" whippets.

 

Terry Smith

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The esoteric nature of the derivation of the term non-ped is unhelpful but does deserve a wider audience.

For those in the know the abbreviations are easier on the tongue.

 

Googling pedigree definitions it appears the need for a written record to have a pedigree is equivical but I take your point. I would imagine if the genealogy is known a written record would not be too great a hardship

 

I accept the premise of KC papers being an entrance ticket to KC events but the refusal to issue such papers to clearly KC pedigree dogs is perverse.

 

It's always made me smile when we have had clearly KC type dogs sent to Gin Pit to race as non-peds and those that come expecting to race against "inferior" non ped whippets but I guess we re educate them . Fortunatly we're a bit more egalitarian than some clubs.

 

It must sting a bit if you have KC papers but aren't allowed to enter some competitions because you're dog isn't the right type of whippet. It's probably no better if you suspect a dog entered is the wrong sort but there's nowt you can do about it either.

 

Obviously they don't change type by being KC registered and neither is KC registration a prerequisite for a pedigree. The difference between "peds" and "non-peds" is a piece of paper issued by the KC

 

[lalena]

The defining difference between "pedigree" and "none-pedigree" whippets is that peds have a piece of paper that says they are registered with the kennel club and non peds do not. The true nomenclature ought to  be Kc registered pedigree whippets an non KC registered (pedigree) whippets. 

 

True Tony but its a bit of a gobfull everytime you want to describe the difference.

(Especially if you have a speech impediment like me :lol:   :lol: )

 

 

 

 

I think it's fair to say all dogs have a pedigree; it's just whether the pedigree is known that's all.

 

 

 

 

I'm too weary to root through the OED just now but I'm pretty sure it defines a pedigree as a written record. Which your average mongrel doesn't have.

 

 

 

The majority of non-ped racers are able to trace their pedigrees back as far as to be practical, that is, to just after the second world war. There is a good non ped data base on this site.

 

The posistion of those dogs that have KC registered parents that have not themselves been registered with the KC raises an interesting point. Are thes dogs non peds because they don't have the relevant paperwork

 

 

Extremely interesting point! One presumes the parents have a written record of their ancestry. Therefore their progeny have that written record behind them, even though the actual dog doesn't have its piece of paper. One could look at a KC ped as an admission form into KC events. As long as the KC runs most major shows & other activities a KC ped will have some importance.

 

 

and do they change type if they become registered?

 

 

"Type" is a set of physical characteristics bred in by human "interference" (for want of a better word). Obviously they will not change type.

 

Think you & I have been down this road before Tony. IMO the differences between the various KC ped bloodlines (which do occur) are less marked than the differences within the "non-KC reg" whippets.

 

Terry Smith

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The esoteric nature of the derivation of the term non-ped is unhelpful but does deserve a wider audience.

For those in the know the abbreviations are easier on the tongue.

 

Googling pedigree definitions it appears the need for a written record to have a pedigree is equivical but I take your point. I would imagine if the genealogy is known a written record would not be too great a hardship

 

I accept the premise of KC papers being an entrance ticket to KC events but the refusal to issue such papers to clearly KC pedigree dogs is perverse.

 

It's always made me smile when we have had clearly KC type dogs sent to Gin Pit to race as non-peds and those that come expecting to race against "inferior" non ped whippets but I guess we re educate them . Fortunatly we're a bit more egalitarian than some clubs.

 

It must sting a bit if you have KC papers but aren't allowed to enter some competitions because you're dog isn't the right type of whippet. It's probably no better if you suspect a dog entered is the wrong sort but there's nowt you can do about it either.

 

Obviously they don't change type by being KC registered and neither is KC registration a prerequisite for a pedigree. The difference between "peds" and "non-peds" is a piece of paper issued by the KC

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some pups cannot be registered. if the dam was under 18mths at the time of mating, if the dam had already had the permitted 6 litters registered. other breeders wont register for other reasons, such as some pups may have 'undesirable' colour or conformation (see white dobes. apparently albino pups used to be drowned at birth to conceal the recessive genetic faults of the parents) or the pups are the result of a misalliance, such as between siblings.

 

[Barry Jepson]

Hi Tony

Going to breed my springer and whippet I think! Because I know parentage and generations of both dogs, see if I can get them KC registered and am going to call em SPRIPPETS!!! Loooooooooooooooool!! :lol:

ITS ONLY A JOKE! :thumbsup:

 

[*Lesley*]

afraid not No 10 is mine Tillie her mother is chicane who is 1/2 greyhound 1/2 whippet and her dad is 2 become one who is 1/4 greyhound

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Hope you didn't mind Linda, I consider her a lovely example, not only pretty but swift too. :thumbsup:

As for personality well our Dobby (non-ped) is a typical whippet pup, bouncy, happy and keen to please, he's just more noticable cos he's a big dobber lol :lol:

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I think your lovely Tillie is being mistaken for my Sienna :wub: their colouring is very similar