First thing great site. Has anyone seen a presa canario/greyhound working,this is a cross i am keen to see
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Hi, there is a lady who has a Presa Canario near to us hes a big meaty dog and hes only about 9 months!! but crossed with a whippet that i've not seen
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why???
WHY Well for a start the presa is used as a working breed they work with cattle hunt boar very well and do man work,they have great stamina and good scenting ability so why not cross this breed with a greyhound to produce a lurcher,please feel free to commentposh totty said:
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why would you cross with something as big and heavy ? what would your quarry be? what viable working abilities could it have with the current ban? what would be the growth rate? potential growth issues and then turning abilities? how hard mouthed would they be ? :thumbsup:
First answer why not deerhounds are big and heavy and they are crossed with greyhounds,second answer the same as the third growth issues and turning ability will be no different than a pure greyhound?Hard mouthed they would be but i dont have all the answers as i dont know anyone with this cross but i do know people with pure presasposh totty said:
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deerhounds are now in a working decline ( thank the good old goverment for that!) and are now becoming more popular in the showring , but since the ban several types of lurchers are declining, they also would not have the sheer muscle mass of this breed? :thumbsup:
the potential aggression problem would be a worry for me , not saying all are aggressive btw
after 30years + of living with and working lurchers i find it hard to see a viable working option for this type of cross :thumbsup:
as a matter of interest whats the approx weight and height of them? :thumbsup:
the potential aggression problem would be a worry for me , not saying all are aggressive btw
after 30years + of living with and working lurchers i find it hard to see a viable working option for this type of cross :thumbsup:
as a matter of interest whats the approx weight and height of them? :thumbsup:
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male height is 60cm upwards
cant remember the weights - buts its heavy!
cant remember the weights - buts its heavy!
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so what your saying then tinker is , it the dog wants the couch , let him have it (w00t)
1 we have border collies to work cattlesiskin said:WHY Well for a start the presa is used as a working breed they work with cattle hunt boar very well and do man work,they have great stamina and good scenting ability so why not cross this breed with a greyhound to produce a lurcher,please feel free to commentposh totty said:
2 we dont hunt boar in the UK
3 Man work????
4 If they have great stamina and scenting ability they are the dog for the job why x with a grew, so they can do it faster??
1 borders are to soft,2we do,3 why not,4 faster yes. :bmasta said:1 we have border collies to work cattlesiskin said:WHY Well for a start the presa is used as a working breed they work with cattle hunt boar very well and do man work,they have great stamina and good scenting ability so why not cross this breed with a greyhound to produce a lurcher,please feel free to commentposh totty said:
2 we dont hunt boar in the UK
3 Man work????
4 If they have great stamina and scenting ability they are the dog for the job why x with a grew, so they can do it faster??
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1 borders are to soft,2we do,3 why not,4 faster yes. :b
Border Collies soft ??????, try making it from one side of a farmyard to the other thats got a good border collie guarding it.
They may be quite a few things but soft they definately are NOT.
Cheers
OBE
Border Collies soft ??????, try making it from one side of a farmyard to the other thats got a good border collie guarding it.
They may be quite a few things but soft they definately are NOT.
Cheers
OBE
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Another thing is ...Who in there right mind would buy one
For a big, fox killing lurcher we have bull crosses
for stamina we have saluki crosses, nothing wrong with being different but this cross is just plain stupid.
the brains of the breed is it there?
For a big, fox killing lurcher we have bull crosses
for stamina we have saluki crosses, nothing wrong with being different but this cross is just plain stupid.
the brains of the breed is it there?
Bull crosses i know all about having kept my first one in the 1987 long before they were a craze,for brains the presa is brainy,what the cross would offer is smilar to a bull cross but more height better feet,could you explain why this cross is stupid do you know one,have you seen one work?.I wouldnt comment on something being stupid unless i was in a position to do so and i dont think you are.You sound kennel shy, bet if your pals had one you would want oneBedlam said:
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These are fighting dogs! I know some one who has a male and he also walks a bitch as well. They can be a very agressive breed towards other larger/bull breeds, but fortunitely they like my whippets :sweating: and try to catch them no chance! But Ive seen, Rotties, Labs, Pitbulls and Staffs all put on their back by them and it was quite frightening. The owner is a dog lover and a very responsible one at that and warns anyone but any free running dogs that approach them are in for a shock, he does keep them on leads when he sees other dogs approaching BTW! They play well with my two but maybe because when close our whippets act more submissive.
They are not a swift breed because of their build but defo a lean mean fighting machine, which seems to be the reason they have been put into rings :rant: he said the only reason these turned up for him was he heard they wasnt aggressive enough, so I really would hate to see ones go for it when they have been blooded!!!! He also has a lovely little cross breed which was rescued from drug dealers :rant: who kicked it to bits and he managed to get it fit after broken ribs and jaw!
Personally cant see the point of a sighthound/presa cross, theres plenty of good breeds to do whats needed.
They are not a swift breed because of their build but defo a lean mean fighting machine, which seems to be the reason they have been put into rings :rant: he said the only reason these turned up for him was he heard they wasnt aggressive enough, so I really would hate to see ones go for it when they have been blooded!!!! He also has a lovely little cross breed which was rescued from drug dealers :rant: who kicked it to bits and he managed to get it fit after broken ribs and jaw!
Personally cant see the point of a sighthound/presa cross, theres plenty of good breeds to do whats needed.
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Borders soft!! in the 70's i worked on the largest dairy farm in the uk we used borders for all our cattle work inc sucklers/bull my dad bred bc's never have i met a "soft" bc.siskin said:1 borders are to soft,2we do,3 why not,4 faster yes. :bmasta said:1 we have border collies to work cattlesiskin said:WHY Well for a start the presa is used as a working breed they work with cattle hunt boar very well and do man work,they have great stamina and good scenting ability so why not cross this breed with a greyhound to produce a lurcher,please feel free to commentposh totty said:
2 we dont hunt boar in the UK
3 Man work????
4 If they have great stamina and scenting ability they are the dog for the job why x with a grew, so they can do it faster??
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No expert siskin (Awwwwwwwwwwwwww,
such a sweet little bird as a forum name ).
Self proclaimed or otherwise :b
I can only give you my thoughts on your original post:
*COUGH*
Here goes,
Were you looking at taking a pup from an offered litter siskin?
Or are you planning (having had a dig around... creating your own line?)
Lets face it, its not a easy fusion is it!
Running dog to running dog? Would not raise an eyebrow, nowt new there.
Having had a squint...
TBH mate I still dont see it, you've had the bullxin the past,
YES, I am long enough in the tooth to remember the the bullx and way before 'fashionable'... its forerunner the GSDx, and Dobe-x, and What have ye!
I have no axe to grind at all with you asking a 'reasonable' question, which I cannot provide answers to, only rhetorical questions?
1st x would be a shitloads of wasteage surely?
And how sure of the wasteage could you be?
Could you be sure they were not planing to sue yer arse?
(They well may be bright BTW! Even the dumb looking grew ones...!)
What you would have from this x would be sadly what is termed
'pit bull type'
There are no 'get out clauses', really
PM me if in doubt
Sheena
BTW- 'Scottish' Deerhounds lost their 'proper' work many, many moons ago.
Perhaps a poster on this topic would care to qualify further why the deerhound is NOW becoming 'popular' in the showring.
such a sweet little bird as a forum name
).Self proclaimed or otherwise :b
I can only give you my thoughts on your original post:
*COUGH*
Here goes,
Were you looking at taking a pup from an offered litter siskin?
Or are you planning (having had a dig around... creating your own line?)
Lets face it, its not a easy fusion is it!
Running dog to running dog? Would not raise an eyebrow, nowt new there.
Having had a squint...
TBH mate I still dont see it, you've had the bullxin the past,
YES, I am long enough in the tooth to remember the the bullx and way before 'fashionable'... its forerunner the GSDx, and Dobe-x, and What have ye!
I have no axe to grind at all with you asking a 'reasonable' question, which I cannot provide answers to, only rhetorical questions?
1st x would be a shitloads of wasteage surely?
And how sure of the wasteage could you be?
Could you be sure they were not planing to sue yer arse?
(They well may be bright BTW! Even the dumb looking grew ones...!)
What you would have from this x would be sadly what is termed
'pit bull type'
There are no 'get out clauses', really
PM me if in doubt
Sheena
BTW- 'Scottish' Deerhounds lost their 'proper' work many, many moons ago.
Perhaps a poster on this topic would care to qualify further why the deerhound is NOW becoming 'popular' in the showring.
Things have changed since the 70 s and so have borders and beardies i know i work them every daymasta said:Borders soft!! in the 70's i worked on the largest dairy farm in the uk we used borders for all our cattle work inc sucklers/bull my dad bred bc's never have i met a "soft" bc.siskin said:1 borders are to soft,2we do,3 why not,4 faster yes. :bmasta said:1 we have border collies to work cattlesiskin said:WHY Well for a start the presa is used as a working breed they work with cattle hunt boar very well and do man work,they have great stamina and good scenting ability so why not cross this breed with a greyhound to produce a lurcher,please feel free to commentposh totty said:
2 we dont hunt boar in the UK
3 Man work????
4 If they have great stamina and scenting ability they are the dog for the job why x with a grew, so they can do it faster??
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