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[wildhare]

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since I am in the US I've been wondering what the difference is between Ped and Non-ped =

I dont think we have anything comparable here -

dwight

 

[Dotty&Duke]

since I am in the US I've been wondering what the difference is between Ped and Non-ped =I dont think we have anything comparable here -

dwight

i think its to do with UK kennel club registration?

 

[IanGerman]

You must have - you are from Wales!

"Pedigree" race clubs only have KC registered whippets on the race programmes, although non-registered dogs may trial at the club (usually)

"Non-pedigree" (non-ped) allow any dog to race regardless of it's pedigree, although some non-ped clubs either have a separate pedigree section, or allow pedigrees to race with the non-pedigrees, but give them an allowance.

 

[Dotty&Duke]

There you go. Thought there would be somebody who could give you a more concise answer I knew it was to do with KC registration but was unable to explain in relation to racing, having never raced, yet, Hence the question mark.

 

[Strike Whippets]

since I am in the US I've been wondering what the difference is between Ped and Non-ped =I dont think we have anything comparable here -

dwight

Hi Dwight ...... My take on peds and non peds is that the non peds are the original Whippets mainly fined down to Whippet and Greyhound crosses. The non ped Whippets do actually have pedigrees and most can be traced way back. The non peds come in a larger range of weights than the peds due to how they are bred and they are also alot faster than our peddie Whippets. The peds as said are kennel club reg just the same as your american kc registered dogs ..... Someone on here will know more but hope that helps )

 

[Rob Rixon]

since I am in the US I've been wondering what the difference is between Ped and Non-ped =I dont think we have anything comparable here -

dwight

Hi Dwight ...... My take on peds and non peds is that the non peds are the original Whippets mainly fined down to Whippet and Greyhound crosses. The non ped Whippets do actually have pedigrees and most can be traced way back. The non peds come in a larger range of weights than the peds due to how they are bred and they are also alot faster than our peddie Whippets. The peds as said are kennel club reg just the same as your american kc registered dogs ..... Someone on here will know more but hope that helps )

By defination the original Whippet (or Snap dog) was not KC registered as there was no KC at that time.

Our family have had whippet type dogs for a long time, when as a child I questioned whether the dogs were pedigree I was told that the pedigrees were 'written on the back of a fag pcket'. Registering with the KC was not an option as there was no KC when my Mothers family had these dogs in the 1800s.

Whippet type dogs have been around for thousands of years.

My idea is that they were introduced into the UK by the invading Roman Army in 54BC. I've written a book on Pedigree Whippet Racing and Chapter 1 gives my view of the origins of the dogs.

What is interesting is that all dogs have a pedigree (or line of ancestors) or they would not exsist so non-peds are actually only not registered with the KC, but with their own pedigrees

Just to twist this tale Wishy Was - a very good Whippet who ran with the BWRA in the 1960s and was considered as a non-ped was I was told infact registered with the KC - as the classification at that time (40+ years ago) was different form that today.

Clear now? (as mud)...

:thumbsup:

 

[pippywhippet]

Dont non ped whippets have to be registered as non peds? :unsure:

Who are they registered with if that is the case?

If they are not registered, cant you just run a longdog or lurcher that looks like a whippet? Or race a non ped whippet as a lurcher? Some of the non peds Ive seen are pretty big. :blink:

Sorry to answer a question with a question but I am curious to how all this works myself!! :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

 

[gypsyfi]

since I am in the US I've been wondering what the difference is between Ped and Non-ped =I dont think we have anything comparable here -

dwight

Simply put, Ped = registered witht the KC, and thus confirmed 'pure bred' and non ped isnt! Although that's not to say that just because a dog sint registered with the KC its not a pure bred, sometimes they just dont have the papers thats all, but the lines are pure. Hope that helped!

 

[gypsyfi]

since I am in the US I've been wondering what the difference is between Ped and Non-ped =I dont think we have anything comparable here -

dwight

Simply put, Ped = registered witht the KC, and thus confirmed 'pure bred' and non ped isnt! Although that's not to say that just because a dog sint registered with the KC its not a pure bred, sometimes they just dont have the papers thats all, but the lines are pure. Hope that helped!

 

[IanGerman]

And just to give the pot a stir with my wooden spoon, it could be argued that pedigree whippets ARE whippets, and whippet x greyhounds are something else - mongrels? (w00t)

 

[masta]

Take a whippet mate it with something else = non ped

Take a whippet mate it with another whippet dont register with KC = non ped

Difference a piece of paper and speed

 

[pippywhippet]

Dont non ped whippets have to be registered as non peds? :unsure: Who are they registered with if that is the case?

If they are not registered, cant you just run a longdog or lurcher that looks like a whippet? Or race a non ped whippet as a lurcher? Some of the non peds Ive seen are pretty big. :blink:

Sorry to answer a question with a question but I am curious to how all this works myself!! :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Take a whippet mate it with something else = non ped
Take a whippet mate it with another whippet dont register with KC = non ped

Difference a piece of paper and speed

So what is the difference between a lurcher/ longdog and a non ped whippet? Why are non peds discouraged from competeing at lurcher shows/ gamefairs, etc?

 

[Rob Rixon]

So what is the difference between a lurcher/ longdog and a non ped whippet? Why are non peds discouraged from competeing at lurcher shows/ gamefairs, etc?

Lurcher = Cross between a hound and not a hound

Longdog = Cross between a hound and another hound

non-ped Whippet = A whippet without KC papers.

Competition at Shows?

Don't know

But what I do know is Bedlington Terriers are rearly allow to compete in Terrier Racing at gamefairs.

 

[masta]

So what is the difference between a lurcher/ longdog and a non ped whippet? Why are non peds discouraged from competeing at lurcher shows/ gamefairs, etc?

Lurcher = Cross between a hound and not a hound

Longdog = Cross between a hound and another hound

non-ped Whippet = A whippet without KC papers.

Competition at Shows?

Don't know

But what I do know is Bedlington Terriers are rearly allow to compete in Terrier Racing at gamefairs.

non-ped Whippet = A whippet without KC papers.= what is it called when crossed with a GH at running off 55lb??

 

[deeva1]

since I am in the US I've been wondering what the difference is between Ped and Non-ped =I dont think we have anything comparable here -

dwight

:unsure: HI DWIGHT! I HAVE BEEN BREEDING, TRAINING AND RACING NON-PED WHIPPETS FOR YEARS AND I CAN TRACE MY BLOODLINE BACK OVER MANY GENERATIONS. THEY ALL HAVE TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE BRITISH WHIPPET RACING ASSOCIATION, WHERE THEIR BREEDING IS KEPT ON A DATA BASE. WE EVEN HAVE TO FILL BREEDERS FORMS IN WITHIN 8 WEEKS OF A LITTER BEING BORN, TO CONFIRM THE DATE OF MATING AND IT MUST BE SIGNED BY THE OWNER OF THE SIRE AS WELL AS THE DAM. IT IS STATED IN OUR RULE BOOK, THAT A DOG MUST BE WHIPPET-LIKE IN APPEARANCE IN ORDER TO RACE, BUT WE ALSO PROVIDE RACING FOR PEDIS AND ALLOW LURCHERS TO RUN AS WELL. IT IS TRUE, HOWEVER THAT "OUR" DOGS ARE A LOT FASTER THAN THE PEDIS, BUT THAT IS BECAUSE OF SELECTIVE BREEDING, IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THIS. WE ALL STRIVE TO PRODUCE A FLYING MACHINE, WITH EVERY LITTER WE BREED AND I HAVE BEEN LUCKY TO HAVE BRED TWO SUPREMES, THUS FAR AND WHEN I BREED AGAIN IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I WILL BE HOPING TO GET ANOTHER ONE AND MORE THAN THAT, I WILL BE HOPING I CHOOSE THE RIGHT ONE TO KEEP! HOPE THIS HAS BEEN OF HELP. :wub:

 

[scooby]

If a really good ped whippet done a 9.20 secs over 150 yards which is flyin, a really good non ped could do a 8.20 over the same distance, a second of a difference, which I have witnessed with a non ped bitch from Scotland called Sween, one very fast bitch

 

[shamrock lady]

Its all about conforming to a standard. Peds conform to as close as but non-peds do not

 

[IanGerman]

"If a really good ped whippet done a 9.20 secs over 150 yards which is flyin, a really good non ped could do a 8.20 over the same distance, a second of a difference, which I have witnessed with a non ped bitch from Scotland called Sween, one very fast bitch "

I think you'll find there are one or two "pedigrees" can do that too :-

 

[June Jonigk]

"If a really good ped whippet done a 9.20 secs over 150 yards which is flyin, a really good non ped could do a 8.20 over the same distance, a second of a difference, which I have witnessed with a non ped bitch from Scotland called Sween, one very fast bitch "
I think you'll find there are one or two "pedigrees" can do that too :-

Indeed :- In fact there are some who can't even tell the difference between ped and non ped 8)

 

[June Jonigk]

Its all about conforming to a standard. Peds conform to as close as but non-peds do not

Racing peds do not try to conform. Fast is mated with fast, no matter how big the ears are or how curly the tail :thumbsup: