Reflections On Crufts

[stephen mason]

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We spent a very pleasant day at Crufts and met quite a number of K9ers. Just a thought on the future of the breed in its country of origin. Does the success of U.S. bloodlines in both dogs and bitches ( both cc winners) mean that we can expect more U.S. imports into Britain and, if so, will this have an effect on "type"?

A further question concerns "type" within Britain. One highly respected K9er mentioned the "northern type" and "southern type " whippet. Could someone please explain the difference between the two? I shall try to include a photo of our Isidra at 10 months.( 47 cms or 18.5 inches and lbs. 22.00 or 10 klgs.) I have managed to reduce the original photo from 2.32 MB to 1.19 MB. Not too sure how I did it. Jax,please note that I am trying to smile. Enjoy your Easter breaks. Stephen

 

[JAX]

Stephen , you need to get the photos down to 75 kg MAX .

I always think northern type , ` brindle longer cast rangy `whereas southern type `Fawn , shorter bodied , ` but may be thats just me .

As regards the imports making a diifeerence to `our`whippets , if you look closely I think you will find lots of `English `breeding at the back of` them` :thumbsup:

Personnally I would nt want the majourity of whippets that are in the US to come here. They dont look like an English whippet , and as with lots of breeds eg springer , cocker and the coats on the setters they look more like Afkgans The US has made them a complety different breed

Youve only to look at photographs to see the differance with out the need to see them in the flesh ,

This is of course just my personnal opinion o

 

[Jan Doherty]

I think the movement differs greatly between the northern and southern type.

 

[jonesyins14]

Jan says that there is a great difference in the movement between northern and southern dogs. I have heard comments above size, would I be right in thinking that northern whippets tend to be smaller, more akin to the original racing whippets? Are there any other physical differences in type that would differentiate between N and S?

 

[JAX]

Jan says that there is a great difference in the movement between northern and southern dogs.  I have heard comments above size, would I be right in thinking that northern whippets tend to be smaller, more akin to the original racing whippets?  Are there any other physical differences in type that would differentiate between N and S?

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No . I dont think that either N or S have a size difference . but I would be interested to hear what Jan means about diff. movement :blink:

 

[~JO~]

I always think northern type , ` brindle longer cast rangy `whereas southern type `Fawn , shorter bodied , ` but may be thats just me .

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As you all know I haven't been 'in' whippets very long at all ( a wee milli-second compared to some! ) but a lot of people have commented that my dog Archie is a very traditional old-fashioned Southern type (& he comes from mainly coursing lines), I would say he is not overly but slightly shorter coupled than many other show dogs. When looking back through old Whippet champion books he is VERY similar in type to dogs about 40 years ago.

Thats it really :blink:

 

[Canada]

Stephen , you need to get the photos down to 75 kg MAX .
I always think northern type , ` brindle longer cast rangy `whereas southern type `Fawn , shorter bodied , ` but may be thats just me .

As regards the imports making a diifeerence to `our`whippets , if you look closely I think you will find lots of `English `breeding at the back of` them` :thumbsup:  

Personnally I would nt want the majourity of whippets that are in the US to come here. They dont look like an English whippet , and as with lots of breeds eg springer , cocker and the coats on the setters  they look more like Afkgans  The US has made them  a complety different breed 

Youve only to look at photographs to see the differance with out the need to see them in the flesh ,

This is of course just my personnal opinion  o

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Yes there is a huge difference in the North American whippets,even between Canada and USA and the British type. The underlines on N.Am whippets is very "tube like" not as curvy and deep chested as in UK. We dont get the wonderful fronts and angulation that are in the UK also I believe they have forgotten what bend of stifle and turn of hock is! The dogs can really move out as they are balanced front and rear.Both angles being very more open than what you are used to seeing. Front movement tends to be more swinging like a pendulum from the shoulder. I,m all for getting more English in the N.American dogs not the other way around. My own girls are deeply rooted in Nevedith andKlondyke ,Flarepath. Love signing in to K9 Just couldnt be at Crufts this year to meet you.

 

[stephen mason]

Yes Jax, Classic Jazz does have Neverdith behind him and we considered acquiring one of his daughters as we did not know our bitch was pregnant until she gave birth to Isidra who does have Bohem, Starline, Manoir de la Grenouillère as well as Nevedith and Silkstone lines. However I have been unable to find the pedigree of Winged Dove. The photos of U.S. whippets look much flashier and they appear to have much longer necks which in my humble opinion sees to unbalance them. Could it be that the handler is tugging at the neck? It appears that Manoir de la Grenouillère has been very successful with its anglo- american lines and I suppose we shall have to take a wine tasting holiday around Bordeaux should we decide one day to mate Isidra. At present in Spain there is a dog imported from Canada called Lynallans Brushwoon Rio who is enjoying success both in Spain and Portugal. However his lines have little in common with any of our other 2 bitches which go back to Dondelayo, Pardee and Cobyco/ Silkstone. looks like rain. Enjoy thisens. Stephen

 

[bardmand]

I think you will find that American whippets often look more extreme in photos than they actually are. I haven't seen him in the flesh myself, but some of you Brits will know Ch Airescot Ruby Rascal. Compare the photos of him on the Airescot website.

I think you will agree that he looks quite different in the photos from the US compared to the rest. Of course, he was slightly younger in some of them, but I don't think that accounts for the difference entirely. I don't know much about photography myself, but it seems as if American dog photographers use lighting techniques that make dogs look sleeker and less substantial than they actually are.

 

[stephen mason]

I think you will find that American whippets often look more extreme in photos than they actually are. I haven't seen him in the flesh myself, but some of you Brits will know Ch Airescot Ruby Rascal. Compare the photos of him on the Airescot website.
I think you will agree that he looks quite different in the photos from the US compared to the rest. Of course, he was slightly younger in some of them, but I don't think that accounts for the difference entirely.  I don't know much about photography myself, but it seems as if American dog photographers use lighting techniques that make dogs look sleeker and less substantial than they actually are.

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He certainly looks different, amazing, he somehow has a longer neck in the u.s. , stephen

 

[JAX]

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He certainly looks different, amazing, he somehow has a longer neck in the u.s. , stephen

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They bait / handle them to get there neck arched and to `work ` their ears , something not done here of course ( usually ) Thats why Ruby Rascal looks so different /

I suppose if we were to get ameriacn handlers over here (w00t) :lol: then they would handle their dogs accordingly :wacko:

I wish I could find my piccys of when I went to the Westminster