Rspca Pulls Out Of Crufts

[bertha]

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I do so agree, the KC can bring in rules for registered dogs, but the back street breeders won't care! Anybody can breed from say two bitches, one registered and one not, put the litter together and register the lot with the same dam! It goes on for sure. If they have a bitch that is too young, they can use one of their other bitches name for the dam, there are loads of permutations you can use and you can bet it goes on.

You cannot dictate to people what they do with their dogs sadly.

 

[BeeJay]

So do you reckon that the RSPCA has paid back the £48,000 donation made to it by the KC? :lol: Right that's pigs flying over all our houses at the moment. :lol:

 

[jayp]

I do so agree, the KC can bring in rules for registered dogs, but the back street breeders won't care! Anybody can breed from say two bitches, one registered and one not, put the litter together and register the lot with the same dam! It goes on for sure. If they have a bitch that is too young, they can use one of their other bitches name for the dam, there are loads of permutations you can use and you can bet it goes on.
You cannot dictate to people what they do with their dogs sadly.

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There will always be those who flout the rules and just because nothing can be done to stop a small minority does not mean well lets not bother about the rest either !

The whole point is that the KC can make such tests mandatory end of

The pet buying public then have a simple choice buy a cheap untested puppy or buy a more expensive KC registered from tested stock

If you look at Cavaliers you will find as a matter of public record, top breeders are mating dogs as young as 9 months when the protocal of their breed club recommends no dog should be bred from until 2 and 1/2 years old

Thats the problem...recommends just dosnt work as even with the heart tests available this problem in their breed has not improved in 10 years

Some of their breeders are fantastic, they have stuck their necks out for health first, they have tested, stuck to the recommended protocol and spent thousands on fees for this and then had to sit by, keep quiet whilst some of the top kennels blatantly ignore any health issues. How do you think they must feel?

The only body that can reward such effort and penalise such apathy and greed are THE KC

 

[wilfred]

Hmmmmm... so the RSPCA are taking a stand then - wish they'd take a stand against the breeders of labradoodles etc - deliberately crossing 2 different breeds and where do the health checks stand there? Nowhere, far as I can see. Do people you see advertising cross breeds for hundreds of pounds, carry out relevant health checks and only use dogs with clear results BEFORE going ahead with a mating? I don't think so ... I think pounds signs speak more to them than integrity.

Yes, breeds with deformities (Cavaliers with skulls too small to contain their brains, etc) need sorting out, and desperately quickly too, but there's more to it than just slating exhibitors. What about the puppy farmers who breed sickly weak puppies - and who is going to police all this? The noble RSPCA riding in on its white steed? Where were they when my friend and her neighbours reported a dog left outside in a back yard with no shelter, food or water? The RSPCA were NOT interested. My friend and her neighbours supplied the dog with food and water til in the end they took matters into their own hands, climbed over the wall and removed the dog themselves.

Neither did the RSPCA want to come out and help an injured wild animal until a teacher friend rang them back and pretended a TV crew were coming out to film the incident ... the RSPCA were anxious to come out and attend then!!!

No, I've no time for the RSPCA. I've no time for people who knowingly, deliberately breed sickly ill animals either, whoever they are - whether they are well known breeders or puppy farmers.

 

[bedlington]

I have to say I think Crufts will be a happier and more balanced event without the RSPCA, who forfieted my respect the moment they entered the political arena. I am not an apologist for the Kennel Club, nor do I oppose them, but I do have issues with many breeders and the way they intrepret, and word, breed standards.

But I'm a 'newbie' and hesitate to widen the scope of this thread so will say no more on that unless invited.

I will, however, remark that the use of the term 'pedigree' is considerably abused by both the RSPCA and the KC. A 'pedigree' is simply a list of the dog's immediate ancestors, it can be verbal, or it can be written, formal or informal. One thing it does not do is carry any inference of superiority.

I keep lurchers, have done so for a long, long time. Today I have three, all have five generation pedigrees. For one, the span could be much wider but I'm interested in what she is, what, If I decide to breed from her, she might produce. Good as she is, much as I love her, I would want the next generation to perform better, not conform a little more closely to some arbitary 'breed standard'.

Sorry about that, it all turned into a bit of a rant.

My advice, keep the RSPCA out of your life, and take the KC with a pinch of salt............

 

[wilfred]

Well actually, bedlington, I agree with the points you made; and this forum is for the views of all of us, so no one should feel reluctant to air their views. :thumbsup:

I ought to add maybe, to my post earlier, that the dog my friends and her neighbours rescued (when the RSPCA would do nothing) - had actually been abandoned - the people who'd been renting the house near my friend, had moved out. The RSPCA knew this but because someone was looking after the dog, (albeit my friend, and not the dog's owners), RSPCA decided the dog was not being neglected ... (w00t)

 

[maggie217]

You jest!!!!!!!! The RSPCA spends money donated in good faith on dramatic TV adverts and slating the Kennel Club, not helping the animals that are suffering at the hands of man. Having reported cases of cruelty and animals being kept in horrid conditions to them, I am still waiting for something to happen! Their mantra seems to be, it has shelter, food and water therefore it is okay, regardless off the conditions the animals are in.
I find it sad the so many people are having a go at the KC, they are doing their best. They are not legal body run by the government so really have no powers as such to tell people what they can and cannot do with regard to breeding. Showing they have more control over. If the government got involved you can bet your life on it that they would ban dogs shows. This I think is the RSPCAs wish, to get rid of dog shows, they say it is cruel! In my mind shutting a large mastiff in a little shed for 8 hours at a time is cruel, but that is different according to them! :rant:

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The RSPCA lost my respect when a lot of animal rights extremists started getting positions of power. I have many times had similar experiences to Anne when they just don't want to know about cruelty cases.

Good riddance to the RSPCA I say

 

[cyfrin]

More great news ~~

Britain's largest dog charity has withdrawn all support for Crufts over controversial breeding techniques for show animals.

[SIZE=14pt]The Dogs Trust [/SIZE]had decided to follow the lead of the RSPCA, as reported by The Times yesterday, and cut all links with the Kennel Club, which organises the show.

 

[neave]

At the end of the day the RSPCA and the Dog trust have shot themselves in the foot, as they are the ones who will be losing out on thousands of pounds in donations and who will suffer as a result, those animals in their care, a publicity stunt gone wrong i think!

 

[controversial]

whats needed is an animal welfare police force like in the states .lock em up an throw away the key (w00t) attitude a force with real power :thumbsup:

 

[beaker]

so the RSPCA is slating the KC on ethical grounds, what exactly do the RSPCA do to promote the health of animals? Nowt. what do they do to promote good reponsible ownership? (other than threaten you with prosecution if you don't)... nowt. why is it the RSPCA charge more to adopt a pedigree dog from their kennels than a mongrel if mongrels with no history are sooo much bloody better? Oh and if you went to the RSPCA instead of an ethical breeder, paid the best part of £200 for your mongrel pup and it turned out to have behavioural or health issue's do you think you would have any sort of comback??? nope!! not a chance

CARING RSPCA? i think not, thats certainly the opinion of an ex RSPCA collector i know, told to PTS the old and uglies they picked up on the grounds they wouldn't sell :rant:

they are IMO no better that the scabby pet shops with sad looking puppies for sale in the front window, deffinitely good riddance

just think ..crufts without the hypocritical, commercial piggybackers ...

then it really would be the greatest dog show on earth

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[cyfrin]

I belong to a number of message boards but this is the only canine one.

It really surprises me that there are so many derogatory remarks about the RSPCA here. I have not seen this anywhere else, nor it is it my experience that my local RSPCA acts like many members here say they do.

I agree that the RSPCA did not have an historically good reputation but that has been dispelled, surely, over recent years?

 

[beaker]

the Rspca were quite happy to take donations from the Kennel club, money supposedly from the registration of the pedigree dogs they so detest, they were happy to have the help of the KC in lobbying the government to make changes in animal welfare laws, they were happy to have trade stands at the biggest dog show in the world to promote their society and hand out "think of us in your will" forms

and when the opportunity presented to jump on a hysterical bandwaggon and have a nice dollop of free self promotion they were happy to do that to :blink:

if they had stood up and said instead "we will be happy to work with the KC in the promotion of healthy dogs" they might have kept a smidge of respect.

to me it just shows how cynical, conniving and self promoting this "Charity" is

 

[wilfred]

Well said, beaker.

I give money to Blue Cross by direct debit every month. I would not give the RSPCA so much as a used postage stamp. They are nothing more than a political body IMO. But because they are the (perhaps) best-known "animal charity" the average person-in-the-street seems to think the RSPCA is therefore the best.

 

[Warrener]

Beaker,

 

You are so right, one is talking from personal experience.

 

[rls22]

Many of you will remember my experience with the RSPCA last year.

After reporting what I thought was the most terrible case of neglect and mistreatment of my neighbours dogs (who for those of you who don't know) left them on their own for 2 weeks outdoors in a small run - fed a couple of times a week, while they were off on holiday somewhere :rant:

But because they had food and water down - regardless of the piles of dog poo and old food everywhere they did nothing. It makes me feel upset thinking about it now.

They lost any respect that I had for them by their handling of this case.

Good riddance to them!

 

[bedlington]

whats needed is an animal welfare police force like in the states .lock em up an throw away the key (w00t) attitude a force with real power :thumbsup:

You must be joking, if a voluntary, publicy funded organisation can gender as much ill-feeling as the RSPCA, why on earth would you want to give them statutory powers. The mind boggles........

 

[Caster]

I give money to Blue Cross by direct debit every month. I would not give the RSPCA so much as a used postage stamp. They are nothing more than a political body IMO. But because they are the (perhaps) best-known "animal charity" the average person-in-the-street seems to think the RSPCA is therefore the best

Both the RSPCA, The Dogs Trust in fact the whole kit & kaboogle did nothing at all ever & APDT Caroline Menteith broadcast her support for KC - the real facts are there is institutionalised hidden agendas and cover ups with all the commercial sector and has been for years (forever with KC), they're just covering each others backs, KC ended that the other just had to save face otherwise they would never have said anything, why has RSPCA or The Dogs Trust not prosecuted any of the breeders on the programm who admitted breeding known disease into offspring.

Anyone who trusts any of them or takes them at their word must have lived very sheltered lives.

 

[Strike Whippets]

One of the other charitable trusts have also pulled out from Crufts now (I think its Dogs Trust) .......I personally have NO time for the RSPCA, but I do think its about time the kennel club (who I also have no time for) had a wake up call, and if this is what it takes, then good ....... I am looking forward to the next tv program, but I don't think it'll be long before the AR's start kicking off again as we know how much they love Crufts, dog shows, racing and competing of any type with any dog :wacko: .....so it could all backfire very badly :blink:

 

[controversial]

whats needed is an animal welfare police force like in the states .lock em up an throw away the key (w00t) attitude a force with real power :thumbsup:

You must be joking, if a voluntary, publicy funded organisation can gender as much ill-feeling as the RSPCA, why on earth would you want to give them statutory powers. The mind boggles........

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obviousley you didnt read mr thread properly did i say the rspca should do it no the force is part of the real police force with proper powers of arrest and prosecution if you have sky or virgin watch it. :thumbsup: