Rules Regarding Photo Finish's

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Officials
  1.The Clerk of the Course will be named on the programme at all events.

  4.Officials must not be approached on the whippet track by whippet handlers or spectators about any decisions made. Any complaint must be made to the Clerk of the Course immediately.

Grievance Procedure

  1. Where a BWRA member at a BWRA meeting is dissatisfied with the result of a race a complaint may only be lodged with the Clerk of the Course.

  2. Any complaint must be lodged before the completion (i.e. the announcement of the result) of the following race, or after an equivalent period of time.

  4.The Clerk of the Course shall fully investigate the complaint by questioning the track officials.

  5.The Clerk of the Course shall, after consultation with the Stewards, then give a decision which shall be binding on all parties.

BWRA Rules sourced at http://www.thebwra.co.uk/rules.htm accessed 21st November 2008.

 

[wild whippies]

how much was this race for ? (w00t)

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I think that's irrelevant. The point being highlighted in this discussion is the management and flaws of line judging versus photo finishes.

I presume judgement was made on the image that was displayed in the bar? Not images before / during / after the line? If so, I think it was apparent to the public the race result and substantiates why so many individuals voiced their opinions to Mark & Vicky. My own opinion, the image I seen on screen, certainly didn't look that close to be deemed a dead heat (providing this was the image that a race result was being judged upon)

How thick is the raceline itself? Make it wide enough and we can have plenty of 'dead heats' and I'd of thought this was why it's 'first past the finish line' and not what's going on before or on the line.

Maybe this is where clarity needs to be sought? There seems to be different methods of line judging being voiced here where some form of consistency is needed. Along with how much 'worth' a photo finish has versus an individuals opinion.

 

[kenny m]

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kenny i dont think it wud matter if it was for one pence or 1000 pound if it was a wrong desicion its not very fair.

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what was that dave h said, water under the bridge. its gone,im sure they will win many a more race,and get the odd wrong decision,but whatever the flag them judges put up its there decisions,wrong sometimes yes, but we have to abide by it,,anyway,it will sort itself out,pleased the other party hasnt come on and turned it into a right dingdong,we dont need it :thumbsup:

 

[Vicky]

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kenny i dont think it wud matter if it was for one pence or 1000 pound if it was a wrong desicion its not very fair.

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what was that dave h said, water under the bridge. its gone,im sure they will win many a more race,and get the odd wrong decision,but whatever the flag them judges put up its there decisions,wrong sometimes yes, but we have to abide by it,,anyway,it will sort itself out,pleased the other party hasnt come on and turned it into a right dingdong,we dont need it :thumbsup:

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Well i'm sorry Kenny but you won't silence me with your patronising replies.

Water under the Bridge eh, i seem to recall a letter you wrote to whippet news regarding your bitch Mustang Sally, you also felt the need to voice your opinions that something unjust had taken place just as i do now.

As i said in my initial post this is so that people don't get themselves in the position we were on Sunday - but if you are happy to walk away from a meeting feeling cheated then that's fine by me, can't help but feel once the "boot's on the other foot" it'll be a different story.

 

[chuckle brother]

how much was this race for ? (w00t)

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kenny i dont think it wud matter if it was for one pence or 1000 pound if it was a wrong desicion its not very fair.

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what was that dave h said, water under the bridge. its gone,im sure they will win many a more race,and get the odd wrong decision,but whatever the flag them judges put up its there decisions,wrong sometimes yes, but we have to abide by it,,anyway,it will sort itself out,pleased the other party hasnt come on and turned it into a right dingdong,we dont need it :thumbsup:

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excuse me for being thick

how can a judges get a result wrong with the help of a camera?

still looking for a dog by the way

 

[kenny m]

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kenny i dont think it wud matter if it was for one pence or 1000 pound if it was a wrong desicion its not very fair.

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what was that dave h said, water under the bridge. its gone,im sure they will win many a more race,and get the odd wrong decision,but whatever the flag them judges put up its there decisions,wrong sometimes yes, but we have to abide by it,,anyway,it will sort itself out,pleased the other party hasnt come on and turned it into a right dingdong,we dont need it :thumbsup:

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Well i'm sorry Kenny but you won't silence me with your patronising replies.

Water under the Bridge eh, i seem to recall a letter you wrote to whippet news regarding your bitch Mustang Sally, you also felt the need to voice your opinions that something unjust had taken place just as i do now.

As i said in my initial post this is so that people don't get themselves in the position we were on Sunday - but if you are happy to walk away from a meeting feeling cheated then that's fine by me, can't help but feel once the "boot's on the other foot" it'll be a different story.

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yes you right vicky,i did just that i,wrote a letter and where did that get me?,,,and if you go further back youl see she just got beat in the straight championships,she got beat by a nose,i took that decision,as it wasnt meant to be,,i wont argue on here,just haven an opinion,like the other members,but its ok for some to have them eh,,,anyway iam sure youl get sorted out,,,as i dont care one way or the other,all water under the bridge yes,,gone look forward, :thumbsup:

 

[rob67]

Maybe we should do away with phohofinishes if they are not going to be used as evidence to aid the clerk of the course's final decision, and allow them to overturn an incorrect decision.

I would rather think I had been cheated out of a win, rather than know I had.

Think it's an important issue that needs to be resolved satisfactorily, otherwise we could all be sat in the same situation as Mark and Vicky, not a nice position to be in.

chris

 

[Vicky]

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kenny i dont think it wud matter if it was for one pence or 1000 pound if it was a wrong desicion its not very fair.

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what was that dave h said, water under the bridge. its gone,im sure they will win many a more race,and get the odd wrong decision,but whatever the flag them judges put up its there decisions,wrong sometimes yes, but we have to abide by it,,anyway,it will sort itself out,pleased the other party hasnt come on and turned it into a right dingdong,we dont need it :thumbsup:

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Well i'm sorry Kenny but you won't silence me with your patronising replies.

Water under the Bridge eh, i seem to recall a letter you wrote to whippet news regarding your bitch Mustang Sally, you also felt the need to voice your opinions that something unjust had taken place just as i do now.

As i said in my initial post this is so that people don't get themselves in the position we were on Sunday - but if you are happy to walk away from a meeting feeling cheated then that's fine by me, can't help but feel once the "boot's on the other foot" it'll be a different story.

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yes you right vicky,i did just that i,wrote a letter and where did that get me?,,,and if you go further back youl see she just got beat in the straight championships,she got beat by a nose,i took that decision,as it wasnt meant to be,,i wont argue on here,just haven an opinion,like the other members,but its ok for some to have them eh,,,anyway iam sure youl get sorted out,,,as i dont care one way or the other,all water under the bridge yes,,gone look forward, :thumbsup:

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Kenny you are quite entitled to your opinion as are any other members not breaking board rules, the reason i replied to you personally was that i found your post very patronising.

I see where you are coming from but in your instance you had no choice but to accept the decision seeing as your dog came 2nd, not quite the same as having photographic evidence that your dog won.

If you re-read my post a few times you might grasp the fact that i've brought this to peoples attention to make them aware of the rules, i don't want it to "get me anywhere".

"It'll sort itself" won't wash with me, but i don't expect you to agree with me :b

 

[kenny m]

vicky,you found my post patronising?whatever,i do admit iam not as bright as some,dont know what it means,but jumping on,some, members that have an opinion.tut tut,best of luck :thumbsup:

 

[chuckle brother]

anyone that was robbed are going to feel agreived

so i would imagine the last thing someone wants to hear

is someone else being patronising

if the photo shows the wrong result was given

should who ever was judging come out and atleast apologize

and admit their mistake

it wont put the result right

but id have thought that was the least they could do

I DID ADVERTISE ON HERE FOR A DOG

BUT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE WITH K9 ITS VERY CLIQUEY

IF WHIPPET RACING IS THE SAME

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT GETTING INVOLVED

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IS IT A REGIONAL THING ABOUT WHO GETS ON WITH EACHOTHER

OR IS IT JEALOUSY?

WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW BEFORE I DO GET A DOGl

 

[JOHNG]

anyone that was robbed are going to feel agreivedso i would imagine the last thing someone wants to hear

is someone else being patronising

if the photo shows the wrong result was given

should who ever was judging come out and atleast apologize

and admit their mistake

it wont put the result right

but id have thought that was the least they could do

I DID ADVERTISE ON HERE FOR A DOG

BUT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE WITH K9 ITS VERY CLIQUEY

IF WHIPPET RACING IS THE SAME

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT GETTING INVOLVED

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IS IT A REGIONAL THING ABOUT WHO GETS ON WITH EACHOTHER

OR IS IT JEALOUSY?

WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW BEFORE I DO GET A DOGl

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whatever made you think that :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[milly]

anyone that was robbed are going to feel agreivedso i would imagine the last thing someone wants to hear

is someone else being patronising

if the photo shows the wrong result was given

should who ever was judging come out and atleast apologize

and admit their mistake

it wont put the result right

but id have thought that was the least they could do

I DID ADVERTISE ON HERE FOR A DOG

BUT FROM WHAT I CAN SEE WITH K9 ITS VERY CLIQUEY

IF WHIPPET RACING IS THE SAME

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT GETTING INVOLVED

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IS IT A REGIONAL THING ABOUT WHO GETS ON WITH EACHOTHER

OR IS IT JEALOUSY?

WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW BEFORE I DO GET A DOGl

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I think you shouldn't be put off at coming and joining the flock :- " because I would guess that what you read on here is only about 20% of non-ped racers opinions.

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

DONT KNOW IF THIS HELPS BUT AT THE GREYHOUND RACING AT HIGHGATE THIS IS THERE RULING REGARDING PHOTO- FINISH.

RULE 15:

the white line on the track is offered as a visual aid for the watching public to see that the race

is over,and in the event of a photo finnish the final images along with the aid of computerised imaging equipment will produce.a final winners image that will then be studied by the judges in making their decision on the overall winner of the race.

the image is produced this way to provide an accurate view of the winning line and because the white line on the track is only offered as an aid it's position is not taken into account,this is because re-positioning the line time after time cannot be guaranteed that it is placed in the same spot,whilst the computer image can.

 

[rodders]

I have to say that we all at some point possibly disagree with the judges decision (i know i have on occasions) and have also been on the other end when being a judge have had the odd person feel that my decision was not how they had seen the race finish, that is all well and good when it is the naked eye and the decision is made in a split second as the judge sees it, if we appoint someone to do the unenviable task of judging we should, or have to stick to their decisions.

When there is photographic evidence and a winner can clearly be seen i cannot see that the judges decision or announcement should be final.  'Proof' should surely overide an error in an announcement.  We also talk so much about 'sportsmanship' is the biggest part of sportsmanship accepting defeat.  I would not want to run in a final if i had seen proof that my dog had run a brilliant race but finished second, i would go home feeling proud that my dog had run the winner of the race to such a close finish and would be waiting till the next time we met to try and overturn the result

If we are lucky enough to have the use of a photo finish lets use it as it should be used, maybe owners of the dogs concerned should be called to view the photo before the announcement is made  :thumbsup:

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Spot on Karen :thumbsup: