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[midlanderkeith]

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Set out for my daily mooch about 1sh, copt a couple pics later on, i was really enjoying my day watching jill work nowt gives me greater pleasure in life, then onto my permission land, beautiful settings, just me n the dog and my thoughts, but then was greeted with a heart rending sight that brought me to my knees, 3 dead sheep severely savaged by dogs, i immediately put my 100 per cent livestock trained dog back on the lead and informed the farmer, so now for the benefit of my dog until further notice, hes advised me to keep clear, for at the moment theres several of em down there at this moment, armed to the hilt, god help any dog that ventures on that land, cos they will be quite rightly shot

As a responsible dog owner, i spent considerable time livestock training my dog, in the lambing season of all times

keith

 

[hely]

omg, thats awful keith, i always keep gyp's on the lead anywhere near sheep etc...as im not 100% sure how she would be around them!

that must have been a horrid sight for you :huggles:

hope you are ok :huggles:

 

[midlanderkeith]

omg, thats awful keith, i always keep gyp's on the lead anywhere near sheep etc...as im not 100% sure how she would be around them!
that must have been a horrid sight for you   :huggles:

hope you are ok :huggles:

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Listen up Helen, you no me, dont mean to be rude, but to livestock train your dog is in my book a neccesity, easy done, i lived nearer id do it for you

keith :cheers:

 

[AnnSa]

How terrible, what a horrible sight it must have been

I think its good advice you were given to keep away Jill out of

the way............just in case

I hope they find out what dog/dogs are responsible so everyone

else wont be under Suspicion.

 

[hely]

omg, thats awful keith, i always keep gyp's on the lead anywhere near sheep etc...as im not 100% sure how she would be around them!
that must have been a horrid sight for you   :huggles:

hope you are ok :huggles:

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Listen up Helen, you no me, dont mean to be rude, but to livestock train your dog is in my book a neccesity, easy done, i lived nearer id do it for you

keith :cheers:

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i know you dont mean to be rude keithy, but to be honest i wouldnt know where to start!!!

we dont tend to get near to much livestock.........so how do i go about training her around sheep etc??????

advice please Mr keithy

 

[midlanderkeith]

omg, thats awful keith, i always keep gyp's on the lead anywhere near sheep etc...as im not 100% sure how she would be around them!
that must have been a horrid sight for you   :huggles:

hope you are ok :huggles:

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Listen up Helen, you no me, dont mean to be rude, but to livestock train your dog is in my book a neccesity, easy done, i lived nearer id do it for you

keith :cheers:

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i know you dont mean to be rude keithy, but to be honest i wouldnt know where to start!!!

we dont tend to get near to much livestock.........so how do i go about training her around sheep etc??????

advice please Mr keithy

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Already pmd you, follow what ive said, you be ok

keith

 

[urchin]

is always a quandary for me too - we don't get much livestock in the middle of Birmingham, so I don't know how I would be able to trust that the lesson had stuck!

 

[hely]

is always a quandary for me too - we don't get much livestock in the middle of Birmingham, so I don't know how I would be able to trust that the lesson had stuck!

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same here urchin, us townies dont get to near livestock do we (w00t)

 

[midlanderkeith]

is always a quandary for me too - we don't get much livestock in the middle of Birmingham, so I don't know how I would be able to trust that the lesson had stuck!

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You train the dog right, plenty of praise and treats, it;l stick

 

[Chills]

What a horrible sight, sorry you had to see that. I too keep my boy on a lead when we walk the otherside of the fence to the sheep that we pass just in case he scares them. I would be grateful for a copy of the PM on training as well please.

Thanks :thumbsup:

 

[littlenell]

Im in the same position as well really, but have managed to find a dog trainer who does keep sheep etc so Ozzy can be taught to leave well alone. I have lived out in the sticks and seen this type of damage first hand and what makes it worse is that it CAN be prevented :angry: I think that If you are not sure that your dog is safe with livestock - keep it on a lead and respect the farmers livelihood.

:b Just my own opinion. :thumbsup:

 

[midlanderkeith]

What a horrible sight, sorry you had to see that.  I too keep my boy on a lead when we walk the otherside of the fence to the sheep that we pass just in case he scares them.  I would be grateful for a copy of the PM on training as well please.Thanks  :thumbsup:

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Ok i will do it here for all to see

First of all, as i did whilst a puppy, off i went to the nearest farm and explained that i wanted to livestock train my puppy, any decent farmer or landowner will respect that, telling him that at no time will the dog be let off the lead, so into the field full of newborn i went, full of all the smells of new birth, took the dog as near as possible so as not to scare the sheep and watched my dogs reactions, sure enough she lunged at them, so on the next lunge with a sharp tug on the lead with the command NOOO, followed by praise, she soon got the message, i did this over a course of a few days, until she showed no interest in them at all, then came the day i walked amomgst those sheep and there lambs, and theres pics up on k9 showing this, no lead , one happy dog, one happy farmer and an over the moon owner.

I do hope what ive written makes sense, easier for me to put into practice than bung it down in writing.

thank you

keith

 

[jinnyfizz]

Horrible thing to happen upon those poor sheet, but excellent advice about the training, Keith - couldn't agree more with everything you've said.

Nothing worse than seeing stock being terrorised by dogs and brought down like prey.

I live on the edge of Dartmoor and it's unbelievable how many holidaymakers are around at the moment with dogs running riot and chasing the sheep and wild ponies.

From another point of view .... a ewe with a lamb at foot can be fairly dangerous herself. I've seen a few collies put in their place by older ewes who know what's what (w00t)

:cheers: Jane

 

[Chills]

What a horrible sight, sorry you had to see that.  I too keep my boy on a lead when we walk the otherside of the fence to the sheep that we pass just in case he scares them.  I would be grateful for a copy of the PM on training as well please.Thanks  :thumbsup:

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Ok i will do it here for all to see

First of all, as i did whilst a puppy, off i went to the nearest farm and explained that i wanted to livestock train my puppy, any decent farmer or landowner will respect that, telling him that at no time will the dog be let off the lead, so into the field full of newborn i went, full of all the smells of new birth, took the dog as near as possible so as not to scare the sheep and watched my dogs reactions, sure enough she lunged at them, so on the next lunge with a sharp tug on the lead with the command NOOO, followed by praise, she soon got the message, i did this over a course of a few days, until she showed no interest in them at all, then came the day i walked amomgst those sheep and there lambs, and theres pics up on k9 showing this, no lead , one happy dog, one happy farmer and an over the moon owner.

I do hope what ive written makes sense, easier for me to put into practice than bung it down in writing.

thank you

keith

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Thanks Keith, makes me feel better as that is what I have done with all of mine already. I am sure they would be OK with livestock, but I must admit I never risk leaving them off the lead as I always worry there just might be that one occassion!!! or as you have experienced, what if there is a dead sheep in the field, farmer sees it and then sees my dogs, can't blame them for putting two and two together and getting five!!! thanks again Keith

 

[Rae]

That's awful.

Mine have all had livestock training too and suprisingly Leia is brilliant with sheep. I walk Tie off lead through sheep most days but I do keep the rest on lead as it's just too many to keep an eye on. We were lucky as our local dog training club is outdoors and she has sheep on her land, every now and then we have a lesson in with them it's great practice. (chickens, geese and a pony too )

 

[midlanderkeith]

What a horrible sight, sorry you had to see that.  I too keep my boy on a lead when we walk the otherside of the fence to the sheep that we pass just in case he scares them.  I would be grateful for a copy of the PM on training as well please.Thanks  :thumbsup:

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Ok i will do it here for all to see

First of all, as i did whilst a puppy, off i went to the nearest farm and explained that i wanted to livestock train my puppy, any decent farmer or landowner will respect that, telling him that at no time will the dog be let off the lead, so into the field full of newborn i went, full of all the smells of new birth, took the dog as near as possible so as not to scare the sheep and watched my dogs reactions, sure enough she lunged at them, so on the next lunge with a sharp tug on the lead with the command NOOO, followed by praise, she soon got the message, i did this over a course of a few days, until she showed no interest in them at all, then came the day i walked amomgst those sheep and there lambs, and theres pics up on k9 showing this, no lead , one happy dog, one happy farmer and an over the moon owner.

I do hope what ive written makes sense, easier for me to put into practice than bung it down in writing.

thank you

keith

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Thanks Keith, makes me feel better as that is what I have done with all of mine already. I am sure they would be OK with livestock, but I must admit I never risk leaving them off the lead as I always worry there just might be that one occassion!!! or as you have experienced, what if there is a dead sheep in the field, farmer sees it and then sees my dogs, can't blame them for putting two and two together and getting five!!! thanks again Keith

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putting 2 and 2 together was my very thoughts my friend, farmer finds dead sheep and thinks to himself turky bollocks thats what the farmer calls me, cos he copped me avin a jimmy one time :lol: he comes on my land and thats why i notified him straight away, he knows its not my dog hes seen her with his sheep, now then tuther farmer never saw jill on his prize bulls back one time :lol:

keith

 

[J.T.]

Good advice Keith )

If theres any livestock nearby all my 3 go straight on leads.

However last Nov we were in Wales & were advised by a LOCAL where to safely walk dogs offlead. So off we go , dogs running free in a field along a river...lovely...until we come round a blind corner & there is a flock of about 30 sheep. Got 2 dogs straight away but Scrumpy was only just 15 months at the time & she shot off after them (w00t) My heart was in my mouth but I tried not to panic (whilst panicking like mad really)

I called her just once & she did a complete turnaround & came back to me immediately o . I've never been so glad I worked so hard on her recall when younger. I had so many recall problems with my older dog I was determined to get it right with her from the start.

Luckily the farmer was nowhere in sight but a couple of locals gave us a right telling off until I pointed out it was a local who'd told us to go there in the first place. There were no warning signs at all & was even a dog poo bin at the gate. I was relieved she came back but pretty cross that we'd been in the situation to begin with through no fault of ours :angry:

I hope they find out who was responsible for the dead sheep you found.

 

[Nicola]

I'm embarrassed to admit my two are not livestock trained, which is a real disadvantage living in the Peak District where the moorland is heavily grazed by sheep I lived in London when i originally got Fred, totally ignorant to such rural matters of livestock. Of course my circumstances changed, and hey ho...look where I find myself. :wacko:

It's not only the danger of dogs attacking sheep which is the problem. Just worrying them (and they don't take much worrying) can be a problem too, so mine have to stay on a short lead around sheep. Farmers won't hesitate to shoot in these parts, even if they are breaking the law by doing so. The police will turn a blind eye. I've had a farmer follow my progress across a field (on a public footpath) with a gun on his arm. Not nice

What a shame for you Keith. It must be heartbreaking when you've gone to so much trouble to be responsible with Jill.

 

[affieluver]

GOOD ON YA KEITH !!now im going to have a little rant :rant: :rant: there is absolutley no excuse guys to let your dogs worry livestock my grandfather had a sheep farm in wales and growing up i would see countless sheep killed or ewes losing babies through dogs chasing them if you know your dog isnt safe to be around them put them on a lead its not fair to your dog or the sheep and no farmer wants to have to shoot your dog believe me my grandfather had to do this once and being a dog lover this broke his heart but his livestock comes first its your responsibility to either train them to be around these animals or control them if you cannot :thumbsup: the same goes for any animals be it ducks horses or cattle sorry to moan guys but this is a subject close to my heart as so many people are irresponsible and dont realise the consequences that could arise from doing this just hope whoever owns those dogs dosent have to pay the ultimate price

 

[midlanderkeith]

Set out for my daily mooch about 1sh, copt a couple pics later on, i was really enjoying my day watching jill work nowt gives me greater pleasure in life, then onto my permission land, beautiful settings, just me n the dog and my thoughts, but then was greeted with a heart rending sight that brought me to my knees, 3 dead sheep severely savaged by dogs, i immediately put my 100 per cent livestock trained dog back on the lead and informed the farmer, so now for the benefit of my dog until further notice, hes advised me to keep clear, for at the moment theres several of em down there at this moment, armed to the hilt, god help any dog that ventures on that land, cos they will be quite rightly shotAs a responsible dog owner, i spent considerable time livestock training my dog, in the lambing season of all times

                        keith

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Just been back down there to see if everything is ok, ive bumped into this lady a couple of times with her 2 mongrels, she stopped me to talk telling me some sheep had been killed and that some decent sort reported it to the farmer, when i informed her that the decent sort was me, i thought she was honestly gonna kiss me :lol: to old im afraid fer me shes in her 60s :lol: shes a friend of the farmer, what endeared me to her was when we got chatting about our dogs and how she looks upon her 2 as family, that did it fer me, ive made a lovely friend ever so refined to, not like me common as muck eh

keith