Sad State Of Affairs

[galty]

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well he says hes not doing anything illegal as its perfectly legal to use a bolt gun to kill an animal as long as it doesnt suffer.

either way the law regarding anyone being able to kill an animal legally with a bolt gun is an outdated law (

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It seems this was a new law was brought in in 1997.

Think before that you had to be a licensed Slaughterman.

Looks like he did do nothing illegal so will not be prosecuted.

Do hope that he names the trainers who sent him the dogs.

 

[FeeFee]

The article makes grim reading, but surely the real problem is that the number of greyhounds bred for the racing industry far exceeds the number of retirement homes that could possibly be ever found?  If people like this didn't dispose of the 'excess' what would happen to them?
I'm not defending him, but the dogs probably get a quick fairly stress-free death and what he is doing isn't illegal.  The alternative is pts by a vet, which may be less gruesome but the end result for the dogs is the same.

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Then the answer is very simple..................DONT BREED THAT AMOUNT OF DOGS!!

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Well that would certainly do the trick. Unfortunately that would also impact on the profits of the breeders/owners/trainers involved. There is absolutely no chance they will self regulate to limit the number of dogs bred, and no chance the government will interfere with something that generates such big tax revenues.

Sadly we aren't talking about a few dogs here. The most conservative estimate of the number of dogs retired each year is around 12,000 (that's the RSPCA's figure). The RGT rehomed about 3,000 dogs last year with perhaps as many as another 3,000 dogs kept by their owners and rehomed by independent rescues. That leaves an awful lot of dogs unaccounted for - and presumably plenty of work for the Mr Smith's of this world.

Whereas I doubt Mr Smith is the sort of bloke I'd like to go for a pint with, he is just responding to a demand for his (legal) services. The real problem is that this demand exists in the first place.

 

[davethehorse]

It is true that in dog pounds and shelters all over the country young and old dogs of all shapes and sizes are put down because they have no owner. I myself have spent hundreds of pounds on a whippet when I could have saved a dog's life by going to a charity etc.

What is so bad about the greyhoud thing is that people make an absolute fortune from these dogs (especially the bookies). They should be forced by the government to hand over some of the profits to look after the dogs.

 

[05whippet]

The article makes grim reading, but surely the real problem is that the number of greyhounds bred for the racing industry far exceeds the number of retirement homes that could possibly be ever found?  If people like this didn't dispose of the 'excess' what would happen to them?
I'm not defending him, but the dogs probably get a quick fairly stress-free death and what he is doing isn't illegal.  The alternative is pts by a vet, which may be less gruesome but the end result for the dogs is the same.

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Then the answer is very simple..................DONT BREED THAT AMOUNT OF DOGS!!

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Well that would certainly do the trick. Unfortunately that would also impact on the profits of the breeders/owners/trainers involved. There is absolutely no chance they will self regulate to limit the number of dogs bred, and no chance the government will interfere with something that generates such big tax revenues.

Sadly we aren't talking about a few dogs here. The most conservative estimate of the number of dogs retired each year is around 12,000 (that's the RSPCA's figure). The RGT rehomed about 3,000 dogs last year with perhaps as many as another 3,000 dogs kept by their owners and rehomed by independent rescues. That leaves an awful lot of dogs unaccounted for - and presumably plenty of work for the Mr Smith's of this world.

Whereas I doubt Mr Smith is the sort of bloke I'd like to go for a pint with, he is just responding to a demand for his (legal) services. The real problem is that this demand exists in the first place.

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I totally agree with what you have said,it makes sense.But it is a sorry state of affairs that this is the kind of society that we now live in!!

 

[Scillonian]

This story regarding the greyhounds is absolutely terrible and the person(s) who are involved should be NAMED AND SHAMED and let them "rot in hell".

I know that cruelty in the "greyhound world" goes on because some friends of ours runs a "Greyhound Rescue". When we were visiting them on one occasion we were shown photographs of this poor greyhound that had its EARS CUT OFF so it could not be identified and then was thrown out in the streets. :rant: :rant: :rant: This poor greyhound was lucky and found somebody with a big heart to look after it.

Problem with greyhound owners (well some that is) they buy a greyhound hoping to make money out of it and when this does not happen they don't want it and, therefore, get rid without thinking of the poor dog. :rant:

We once owned a greyhound - we bought it at an Auction. This poor bitch was so frightened she refused to trial and would not even stand on the "platform" for sale. I felt so sorry for her we bought it. She was lovely and with plenty of TLC she soon enjoyed the remainder of her life and lived in luxury compared with most. :thumbsup:

 

[kris]

im glad theres folk like you out there with big hearts who will take in a poor bitch like this and give it a good home.well done to you and the best of luck :luck: :thumbsup:

 

[Rorington]

It is true that in dog pounds and shelters all over the country young and old dogs of all shapes and sizes are put down because they have no owner.  I myself  have spent hundreds of pounds on a whippet when I could have saved a dog's life by going to a charity etc.
What is so bad about the greyhoud thing is that people make an absolute fortune from these dogs (especially the bookies).  They should be forced by the government to hand over some of the profits to look after the dogs.

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What worries me is Lord Lipsey's view that the solution to the NGRC/BGRB's problem is that the dog owning public should be adopting greyhounds instead of other breeds/crosses. That may go some way to solving Lord Lipsey's problems but it doesn't help the rescue centres and the other breeds in dog pounds and shelters, like those you describe. The rescues will still be bursting with dogs.All that will change is the more of the other breeds/crosses will be put down instead of the greyhounds.

I don't think it is fair for LL or the industry to rely upon sympathetic members of the public to rehome the race industrys surplus dogs. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against homing greyhounds - I have 5 here. (Unfortunately none of them were helped by the racing industry - wonder if anyone has noticed them missing yet?)Wouldn't it be better if all breeders, owners and trainers took the responsibility of safeguarding the future of their dogs in the first place?

As for Mr Smith, I don't understand why people seem determined to demonise him and blame him entirely for the situation. I agree the main concerns should be: a) Why there was the need for such a service? b) How such a large number of dogs were allegedly able to disappear under the noses of the NGRC, without anyone noticing?

 

[davethehorse]

Good article and probably typicle of most trainers thoughts on this matter although they need a lot more good publicity to come out to overide the damage caused by the bad last week.

 

[OEH]

I think the problem is that there are simply too many greys to be homed than there are homed . One of my rescue lurchers is frightened of greys or I'd have one . As other people have said I think the problem lies with the owners who treat them as status symbols or money makers rather than animals.

Unfortunately being shot is a better end than having your ears cut off, being sold to Spain or being hit on the head with a spade which are all cheaper options than the £60 a vet charges to pts.

I have just being speaking to someone who knows all the details of this and she says that it would be an almost tolerable end (if there has to be an end) if dogs didn't have to watch others being shot first. Apparently he has them all together and just shoots them one at a time with the others watching on :'(

 

[FeeFee]

A further article in the Sunday Times today. So sad that these two dogs could have gone to a rescue centre if they had been willing to hold onto them for another week.

Times Article

My own greyhound, Molly, was dumped in a dog pound because the owner wanted rid of her on a Wednesday and the rescue couldn't take her until the following weekend As a hand-in she could easily have been put to sleep straight away, but luckily the rescue found out what had happened to her and got her out in time. She has been with me 9 years this week and will be celebrating her 13th birthday soon :wub: :wub:

 

[Skippy]

I have had to close this thread for a while whilst i read through it and act upon a complaint I recieved. The upshot is I have deleted 3 posts which I considered where not appropriate for this thread and where argumentative and not constructive discussion. The thread is about one mans behaviour and how he has PTS many many greyhounds.

Whilst I do not want to censor peoples opinions and thoughts, they must be on the appropriate thread and and stay within reasonable bounds of the subject discussed. If anyone wants to discuss anything else, start a new thread.

Also, please remember to state FACT not hearsay, not unsubstantiated conjecture before expressing your opinions.

Lets all now have a sensible debate and not turn it into an argument.

 

[nina]

I have had to close this thread for a while whilst i read through it and act upon a complaint I recieved. The upshot is I have deleted 3 posts which I considered where not appropriate for this thread and where argumentative and not constructive discussion. The thread is about one mans behaviour and how he has PTS many many greyhounds.

Whilst I do not want to censor peoples opinions and thoughts, they must be on the appropriate thread and and stay within reasonable bounds of the subject discussed. If anyone wants to discuss anything else, start a new thread.

Also, please remember to state FACT not hearsay, not unsubstantiated conjecture before expressing your opinions.

Lets all now have a sensible debate and not turn it into an argument.

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Nice to see a thread put back on & people allowed to pass an opinion. Whilst i'm sure not everyone agrees with everyone else it should be a GENERAL topic, not one made to be personal to ANY individual OR taken as personal by any individual.

Hope everyone has a chance to express their opinion in a mature way if they so wish. :thumbsup:

 

[nina]

im glad theres folk like you out there with big hearts who will take in a poor bitch like this and give it a good home.well done to you and the best of luck :luck: :thumbsup:

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I second that :thumbsup: Just a shame there isn't enough people like this for the amount of poor dogs.

 

[Skippy]

im glad theres folk like you out there with big hearts who will take in a poor bitch like this and give it a good home.well done to you and the best of luck :luck: :thumbsup:

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I second that :thumbsup: Just a shame there isn't enough people like this for the amount of poor dogs.

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I third it. Well done to this person homing a nervous grey. By nature, they are a nervous breed/

 

[clairej810]

im glad theres folk like you out there with big hearts who will take in a poor bitch like this and give it a good home.well done to you and the best of luck :luck: :thumbsup:

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I second that :thumbsup: Just a shame there isn't enough people like this for the amount of poor dogs.

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I third it. Well done to this person homing a nervous grey. By nature, they are a nervous breed/

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And I fourth it - it that is possible!! :huggles: I wouldn't be without my boys!

 

[stormydog]

IT AMAZES ME THAT AFTER POSSIBLY WINNING MORE PRIZE MONEY THAN WOULD COVER A VETS BILL TO PUT A DOG TO SLEEP THE OWNERS OPT FOR THE BLOODY CHEAPEST POSSIBLE WAY TO "RID" THEMSELVES OF THIS RACER TURNED BURDEN :rant: AND THAT OLD BASTARD WHO DOES THE SHOOTING WITH A BOLT GUN IS JUST MONOPOLISING ON THIS HORRID STATE OF AFFAIRS. LIKE KRIS SAID..WHO OVERSEES HOW WELL HE DOES "HIS JOB"?

IM CERTAINLY NOT AN ANIMAL RIGHTS FREAK BUT I KNOW ID TORCH THE OLD BASTARDS HOUSE DOWN...NO PROBLEM......AND NO IM NOT RESCINDING THAT STATEMENT :rant: IMAGINE HOW THE OTHER DOGS MUST FEEL WHEN HE LINES THEM UP LIKE AN EFFING FIRING SQUAD..........?

MR DOG DESTROYER...HOPE YOU HOLD IT THE WRONG WAY ROUND OR POINT AT YOUR WIFE BY MISTAKE (w00t) (w00t) WOULD I LAUGH..HELL YEH !

ESPECIALLY IF HE WHEELED HER OUT IN A WHEELBARROW LIKE HE DOES WITH THE DOGS :- "

J HN

 

[05whippet]

IT AMAZES ME THAT AFTER POSSIBLY WINNING MORE PRIZE MONEY THAN WOULD COVER A VETS BILL TO PUT A DOG TO SLEEP THE OWNERS OPT FOR THE BLOODY CHEAPEST POSSIBLE WAY TO "RID"  THEMSELVES OF THIS RACER TURNED BURDEN  :rant:     AND THAT OLD BASTARD WHO DOES THE SHOOTING WITH A BOLT GUN IS JUST MONOPOLISING ON THIS HORRID STATE OF AFFAIRS. LIKE KRIS SAID..WHO OVERSEES HOW WELL HE DOES "HIS JOB"?IM CERTAINLY NOT AN ANIMAL RIGHTS FREAK BUT I KNOW ID TORCH THE OLD BASTARDS HOUSE DOWN...NO PROBLEM......AND NO IM NOT RESCINDING THAT STATEMENT  :rant:     IMAGINE HOW THE OTHER DOGS MUST FEEL WHEN HE LINES THEM UP LIKE AN EFFING FIRING SQUAD..........?

MR DOG DESTROYER...HOPE YOU HOLD IT THE WRONG WAY ROUND  OR POINT AT YOUR WIFE BY MISTAKE  (w00t)    (w00t)    WOULD I LAUGH..HELL YEH !

ESPECIALLY IF HE WHEELED HER OUT IN A WHEELBARROW LIKE HE DOES  WITH THE DOGS   :- "

                        J HN

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I totally agree with you stormy! At the end of the day would you kill your children if they no longer served a purpose?? well actually I suppose the people who do this to their dogs have no morals or conscious whatsoever,so the answer to that one is probably....YES!! And Stormy a gun would be too quick for him,I'd opt for something slightly more painful and slower!!!!! :rant:

 

[nina]

IT AMAZES ME THAT AFTER POSSIBLY WINNING MORE PRIZE MONEY THAN WOULD COVER A VETS BILL TO PUT A DOG TO SLEEP THE OWNERS OPT FOR THE BLOODY CHEAPEST POSSIBLE WAY TO "RID" THEMSELVES OF THIS RACER TURNED BURDEN :rant: AND THAT OLD BASTARD WHO DOES THE SHOOTING WITH A BOLT GUN IS JUST MONOPOLISING ON THIS HORRID STATE OF AFFAIRS. LIKE KRIS SAID..WHO OVERSEES HOW WELL HE DOES "HIS JOB"?

IM CERTAINLY NOT AN ANIMAL RIGHTS FREAK BUT I KNOW ID TORCH THE OLD BASTARDS HOUSE DOWN...NO PROBLEM......AND NO IM NOT RESCINDING THAT STATEMENT :rant: IMAGINE HOW THE OTHER DOGS MUST FEEL WHEN HE LINES THEM UP LIKE AN EFFING FIRING SQUAD..........?

MR DOG DESTROYER...HOPE YOU HOLD IT THE WRONG WAY ROUND OR POINT AT YOUR WIFE BY MISTAKE (w00t) (w00t) WOULD I LAUGH..HELL YEH !

ESPECIALLY IF HE WHEELED HER OUT IN A WHEELBARROW LIKE HE DOES WITH THE DOGS :- "

J HN

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Have to say i totally agree with you John, just how this man sleeps at night is beyond me & also those that think this is a satisfactory method of eliminating the surplus & non money makers.

Whether they are slaughtered like this, dumped or mutilated is there any difference?

Either way they end up in a shallow grave sooner or later with no say in their outcome, bred mainly for mans prosperity.

Poor souls

 

[kris]

IMAGINE HOW THE OTHER DOGS MUST FEEL WHEN HE LINES THEM UP LIKE AN EFFING FIRING SQUAD..........?

doesnt bear thinking about does it?

 

[galty]

This man has stated that he has also put down dogs from the Police Rspca and local people.

And has done nothing illeagle.

To my mind this should not be allowed to happen TO ANY DOG.

I would love to see a concentrated effot to stop any one except vets from PTS any animal.