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Hi Lana, in response to your query to me asking what do I think, well here is what I honestly think. In my eyes Striker has a huge amount of promise. I have been reading a few of the comments posted/questions you have raised and based on my observations of watching whippet dogs grow over the past quarter century, to those comments I would add the following additional thoughts.

Many nine month old puppies look up on a leg a bit at this age because they are, after all, still maturing and the final body set has not yet been established. The shoulder settles back into its final layback position as a dog matures -- usually between 18 months and 2 years of age, and at that point I can tell you, you will never remember Striker ever looking a bit long in leg. Dogs go through a series of uneven stages as they mature -- it is a lucky person who has a dog that does not look awkard or gawky or badly conformed at some stage of puppyhood, and so I see no cause for concern here. Dogs look long in leg at several points in their development. Just think of the number of 4 month old pups you see with way too long hocks that prop up the back legs so that look like jack rabbits! They quickly, in weeks, grow into the hocks and out of that stage and fill in and grow up, and then they hit the stage where your Striker is now... probably at full height, but with the settlng of the body still to contend with as he matures over the next months, and year.

Remember too that markings can create illusions that are not actual fact and never is this clearer than a dog that is solid coloured rather than brindle.

We ourselves have a black and white dog (Ammardan DuMond Avalonia who is out of Am.Ch. Sporting Fields AKs Rockafella -- litter brother of Patsy Gilmour's wonderful white bitch x Sporting Field Ammardan's Noir Chien) who is precisely the same age as your boy and I would say the differences between them at this stage are miniscule. Our boy also looks a bit up on leg, and he is certainly not helped by having a fully black left front leg on his show side (we cannot show a dog on either side as folks can in England, and perhaps Australia?), all the way down to the top of his toes that makes him look taller and his shoulder set straighter than it actually is. I wish I could swap his left and right leg markings! We actually have more of a challenge I would think in getting novice judges to see the shoulder set with that black leg than you ever will with Striker. We shall see as we (we co-own him with an American friend) take him to shows in two weekends from now.

At this point, while the topline on Striker is not finished, and, as I noted, the shoulder has not set into its final position, you can see that it is going to be quite a decent topline. While I would like to see another inch or two on the topline (I admit I like a slightly longer back on whippets) -- but I confess our boy's topline looks like yours too! --, to be perfectly frank I like his topline a lot better than much of what I have seen in recent photos from your end of the world where far too many toplines seem to be missing that part of the standard that refers to the need for a slight rise over loin in favour of dogs having toplines that descend like a ski slope down to a steep croup and drop off.

I think you have a winner in this boy Lana.

Now please tell me, who are the parents of Mom and Dad? Am I right in thinking the Gilnochie sire is out of Jessie McLeod's Peperone black breeding? And I don't have your dam any where in my pedigree program. Please fill me in.

And keep me posted on how he does!

Lanny
 
Gilnockie Ace of Spades (Imp UK), "Cash", is sired by Peperone Pacesetter at Gilnockie (2 CC's) out of Peperone Pennysylvania at Gilnockie.

Pacesetter is by Ch P. Playoff out of Ch P. Pit a Pat.

Pennysylvania is by Rum Punch out of P. Play with Fire

Reasons for buying Cash were: his father whom I saw in the flesh on my trip to England, his links to Hardknott Quadrille and therefore Gainscliffe Renown who is present in Denhills Deligate's pedigree, and well known dogs of good reputation such as Cobyco Cavalier (whom I was also lucky enough to see when he was 12 yrs old), Rum Punch and their sires and grandsires.

Ch Aslan Chanson D'Amour, "Aime", is by Gr Ch Taejaan One Step Closer out of Ch Aslan Sensationalism.

One Step Closer is by Gr Ch T. Read My Lips out of Ch T. Ms Malibu.

Sensationalism is by Gr Ch T. Read All About It out of Ch Aslan Queen ODiamonds. The common threads in Aime's pedigree are Read My Lips and his sire Ch Noholme Pepper Mill and Ch Denhills Deligate (Imp UK).

If you need any more pedigree info Lanny, let me know and I'll PM you.

Thanks everyone for your comments on Striker - much appreciated. I'm aware of the leggy stages they tend to go through - funny thing was I didn't think Striker was having a stage until I looked at this pic of him. All my worry about 'stages' has been in regard to his brother, JD, who, no matter how much food I pump into him, is looking like a poor, starved, little waif at present and is as long as a train to boot. :lol:

Jo, no Striker was quite at ease in this pic so that is pretty much how his hind angulation is. I could put the pic of JD on - to show you who is best at crouching - but it would embarrass him and me so I won't. (w00t)
 
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aslan said:
Gilnockie Ace of Spades (Imp UK), "Cash", is sired by Peperone Pacesetter at Gilnockie (2 CC's) out of Peperone Pennysylvania at Gilnockie.  Pacesetter is by Ch P. Playoff out of Ch P. Pit a Pat. 

Pennysylvania is by Rum Punch out of P. Play with Fire

Reasons for buying Cash were: his father whom I saw in the flesh on my trip to England, his links to Hardknott Quadrille and therefore Gainscliffe Renown who is present in Denhills Deligate's pedigree, and well known dogs of good reputation such as Cobyco Cavalier (whom I was also lucky enough to see when he was 12 yrs old), Rum Punch and their sires and grandsires.

Ch Aslan Chanson D'Amour, "Aime", is by Gr Ch Taejaan One Step Closer out of Ch Aslan Sensationalism. 

One Step Closer is by Gr Ch T. Read My Lips out of Ch T. Ms Malibu.

Sensationalism is by Gr Ch T. Read All About It out of Ch Aslan Queen ODiamonds.  The common threads in Aime's pedigree are Read My Lips and his sire Ch Noholme Pepper Mill and Ch Denhills Deligate (Imp UK).

If you need any more pedigree info Lanny, let me know and I'll PM you.

Thanks everyone for your comments on Striker - much appreciated.  I'm aware of the leggy stages they tend to go through - funny thing was I didn't think Striker was having a stage until I looked at this pic of him.  All my worry about 'stages' has been in regard to his brother, JD, who, no matter how much food I pump into him, is looking like a poor, starved, little waif at present and is as long as a train to boot. :lol:

Jo, no Striker was quite at ease in this pic so that is pretty much how his hind angulation is.  I could put the pic of JD on - to show you who is best at crouching - but it would embarrass him and me so I won't. (w00t)


Who just happens to be a Badger daughter :- "

I like him Lana . He does look very mature and well bodied for 9 months from the photo ,

I know photos can make some dogs look worse or better than they are , but if he were mine Id be really happy with what youve got :huggles:

It helps when they are good `do-ers too ` dosnt it , I remember Cash being rather difficult for you to get body on him , Striker has obviouly taken after his mum ;)
 
Very nice boy :wub: - and I'd love to see an up to date pic of his handsome dad too :- " :thumbsup:
 
Zephyr said:
Very nice boy :wub:   - and I'd love to see an up to date pic of his handsome dad too :- "  :thumbsup:
I put a couple on just a little while ago Beth - I'll see if I can find you the link.
 
Hi Gajo - I can see you there - make a comment please :)
 
Oops - must have missed Gajo.

It helps when they are good `do-ers too ` dosnt it , I remember Cash being rather difficult for you to get body on him , Striker has obviouly taken after his mum
Yes Cash was a string bean for quite some time.

Striker and JD both eat well. JD would "eat for England" as I've heard you guys say - if he were allowed to just continually pig out.

JD is actually very much like his mother in type and he has her lovely front and side gait but he seems to have taken after Dad in the skinny dept whilst young. He is still on two feeds a day and lots of carby, proteiny type treats added in but it all just seems to evaporate - it's not turning into any kind of covering at present.

Strike has been chunky right from the word go.

I absolutely love JD's head. I must try and get a good head shot of him for you all. I think it is just such a beautiful combination of mum and dad's heads.
 
LOL Lana- you caught me having a quick peek whilst at work!!! Busy public servant that I am. (w00t) Just back on again now- at home!

I like Striker's type, at 9 months he's obviously done most of his height growing, but unusually for most at that age is pretty well bodied. I would expect/want him to lengthen a little so that he looks a little longer than he is taller- but that should come. Don't think he looks "crouchy" but as Avalonia said- the neck and shoulder placement will change a bit yet so that his topline looks a little more balanced- not that it is a poor topline- many many worse ones out there. Like his second thigh, sweep of stifle and pretty small hocks for a pup of that age.

Looks promising to me BUT good luck with the judges- because no matter how much people get on here and say there's no such thing as a bad colour, poor markings etc etc ( please guys I'm not opening up that old can of worms because its been done to death) we all know that It's an uphill climb to get past those biases in the ring with lots of judges- you're not showing in the UK remember LOL.

You should be pleased with him!
 
Yeah - you're right Gary. I have noticed that a lot of judges don't even give him an ounce of consideration in the challenge line up.

Of course I'm not expecting him to be winning everything right now but I do expect that judges would at least cast a glance his way when they are making their CC decision, not just pretend like he's not even there.

I know I'm up against it with black and white but it was always my dream to produce coloured dogs of very good quality and just keep putting them out there in the hope that sooner or later someone would be brave/smart enough to look through the colour (that they may not find attractive) to the dog and award him on his merits.

Blue brindle is not my favourite colour but with Dino and Aime I looked past the colour to the quality of the dog beneath and knew that I had good ones.

I'm not going to give in on the colour issue. I'm going to keep at it. There are a few other people around with the same long-held dream - and I hope they keep at it too. And there are those that are just jumping on the band wagon - because someone started to build a profile on colour and was having some success. They are welcome too, I don't care what the motivation is to get into colour - as long as they keep the quality in mind and not just the colour. Wouldn't it be great if the high profile breeders of this country started trotting out with some coloured dogs themselves? It would be a green light to all those scaredy cat judges.

IMO We only need one, you know, to be the ground breaker. The minute someone puts up a black/blue (with our without white) for a major award here - 95% of that colour prejudice will disappear.

I am happy with Striker (and JD) and very pleased with what Cash has achieved for me in only one litter so far. The quality of the dogs behind him cannot be denied. I only hope that others outside my own kennel will give him the chance to prove his worth.
 
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that's not the best angle for a standing shot is it? His head looks out of proportion to his body. But it's the best I've got at present.
 
aslan said:
Yeah - you're right Gary.  I have noticed that a lot of judges don't even give him an ounce of consideration in the challenge line up.  Of course I'm not expecting him to be winning everything right now but I do expect that judges would at least cast a glance his way when they are making their CC decision, not just pretend like he's not even there.

I know I'm up against it with black and white but it was always my dream to produce coloured dogs of very good quality and just keep putting them out there in the hope that sooner or later someone would be brave/smart enough to look through the colour (that they may not find attractive) to the dog and award him on his merits.

Blue brindle is not my favourite colour but with Dino and Aime I looked past the colour to the quality of the dog beneath and knew that I had good ones.

I'm not going to give in on the colour issue.  I'm going to keep at it.  There are a few other people around with the same long-held dream - and I hope they keep at it too.  And there are those that are just jumping on the band wagon - because someone started to build a profile on colour and was having some success.  They are welcome too, I don't care what the motivation is to get into colour - as long as they keep the quality in mind and not just the colour.  Wouldn't it be great if the high profile breeders of this country started trotting out with some coloured dogs themselves?  It would be a green light to all those scaredy cat judges.

IMO We only need one, you know, to be the ground breaker.  The minute someone puts up a black/blue (with our without white) for a major award here - 95% of that colour prejudice will disappear.

I am happy with Striker (and JD) and very pleased with what Cash has achieved for me in only one litter so far.  The quality of the dogs behind him cannot be denied.  I only hope that others outside my own kennel will give him the chance to prove his worth.

Yes Lana & Gary,

you are both so right about how hard it is to have a good quality Black Whippet recognised by the Judges.

Zulu (RUSBIS A/Ch Swifthund Ill Be Black) had so many Reserve Challenges before she Titled, she needed only 8 points for a long time & then whamo, 40 points in one weekend including a Best in Group (25points)

I have had a Judge accually turn his back & not watch Zulu go round the ring! (not an Aussie Judge)

Zulu has been on the end of the class many times, but also has 16 Point Challenges.

I never chased small country shows to pick up the 6 points, she did it with style.

Just remember Lana, the personal satisfaction you will feel, it is so rewarding when you finally get there :p

Anne

Sth Australia
 
Can't believe I've missed Striker/J.Ds pictures! Looking good!
 
Handsome lad :thumbsup: , best of luck with him :luck: :luck: :luck:
 
Gorgeous :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:
 
Striker is lovely :wub: lots of luck with him :luck: :luck:
 
He looks fantstic for 9 months, very striking lad and how lovely to have a white face with black ears - very gorgeous :wub:
 
Extremely handsome chap - he will do well for sure - lovely markings :wub:
 

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