Stud Dog Needed

[*Lesley*]

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I know we all want the best for our dogs Kris and the lines they continue, me as much as anyone and I am in no way doubting your motives or experience but to be fair if I had a stud dog and was considering Ians bitch then from his post I would Pm him for his info then decide what steps to take,if it wasn't what we I wanted to hear then I'd decide against but at least the whole of K9 wouldn't know about it, if I decided for then alls well, if i read this first i think i would be put off before the pm stage , surely it's a two way thing between the breeders of the dogs.

 

[Seraphina]

Sorry, cannot help with a dog. Your bitch may not be ready. Has the dog mated bitch before?

My last litter I took my Bess to a stud on the 10th day and while they had a great fun chasing each other he was not interested. She stood from about the day5. So I came back the next day and the next one.... We tried to see what other experienced stud dogs from the same breeder would think of her, and nothing. In the end the dog mated her on the 20th day and again 21st. She had 6 pups - normal litter for her.

The only way to be for sure that she is ready is to have her tested, but that maybe too late now. The vet will be able to say if she is ready now but if her levels are low it is not possible to determin if she has not ovulated as yet or if the levels dropped after.

Good luck, hope you will find a suitable dog at such a short notice.

Lida

 

[Seraphina]

After reading the above discussion I am also concerned about the wisdom of mating a second bitch when you have already one in pup. Pups are awful lot of work. The 2 bitches may be best of friends at present, when they have both have litters they may not like each other. They may start fighting or steal each other pups! We are not trying to be patronising, just giving a good advice.

I think it may be a good idea if you told us more about yourself. And would it be such a tragedy if you left the second litter till the next time she comes in season?

Lida

 

[Mark Roberts]

Just thought i'd throw my hat in the ring.

I know John & Paula very well, i've met them on several occassions and they are both very nice polite people to be around, their dogs are in A1 condition and very well looked after.

I hope that addresses some of the questions on here.

 

[June Jonigk]

I am slightly worried about some of the postings on this thread too. Many people are judging this couple, and a bit unfairly I think. People have many different reasons for breeding pups, and the breeding lines don't always come in to it. I hadn't realised that the couple were in racing, and so therefore may have been wanting a racing dog for stud - this being the case then the breeding of the show bitch wouldn't come in to question, as it would probably be a complete outcross.

We need people to bring new bloodlines into racing, as our gene pool is fairly small.

As whippet people we are all a bit suspicious at times, but we should all respect the feelings of others, and not judge them before we know the facts. I believe this couple are new to K9, and as a brilliant source of information, they may have been put off from posting or asking for advice again. We may have given the appearance of being an unfriendly bunch - which we're not.

I bred from my first whippet (Shalfleet, Nimrodel lines) many years ago, and although I looked for similar lines, my main reason for breeding was that I loved her to bits, and wanted one of her puppies - at the end of the day, I didn't much care what the breeding was of the stud dog as long as he was a whippet! That didn't make me a bad owner or breeder.

If K9 was up and running years ago, I might well have advertised for a stud myself, and would have been VERY offended if anyone had questioned my reasons for breeding. :angry:

We do have to be careful where our breed is concerned, as many do fall in to the wrong hands, but just because these people have one litter of lurchers just ready to go, doesn't mean they use their dogs as breeding machines.

Personally I don't like the idea of people breeding, then seeing if the pup comes up to scratch, and if not pass it to a pet home - it happens all the time in showing, but it's one of the things that goes on, and is accepted.

We will never all agree on everything, but I think it's a bit cruel to jump on these people and presume the worst. Give 'em a break :thumbsup:

 

[JAX]

We are not questioning there abiltity to look after dogs and Im sure they are nice peole ,but when someone posts on here looking for ANY stud dog that is CLOSE alarm bells are bound to start ringing , Had they done it correctly .......breeding of bitch would have helped , then maybe they would have a better responce .

As you know I have one litter on the `go` at the moment and had to turn down quite a few people , Now mikkee is in season I could quite easily have mated her and kept the other people happy too , , but Im not mating her because 2 litters at the same time is too much work and I like to give my dogs individual treatment

Debs we arnt having a `go` at them , just showing concern for our breed .

 

[ian skelding]

it seams from some of the responses im getting that most people think we would be having the two litters together . this is not the case as the first litter will be long gon befor the second litter arives .

also we require a stud dog only as a back up to our own , and would only consider using said dog o if we thought it was of merit .

also what most of you will not appreciate , is the fact that we have missed one chance to mate allready also we have mated her in the past and it did not take , for whatever reason and we feel that time is possiblt limited as she is allready 3.5 years old and we would not wish to leave it much longer .

so i can assure all the doubters that we have thought about this mating and not just rushed blindley into it .

hope this clarifies things a bit for everyone . :wacko:

 

[aslan]

HI Ian

I hope that you can find a dog that complements your bitch.

From what I've read - the misunderstanding seems to have come from the initial interpretation of your first post. And I do have to say, it did sound like you just wanted any dog from close by. That's where it's all gone awry. So, I am sorry that people launched into a defensive reaction (which,I can also see could easily have been miscontrued as an offensive reaction) but let's look at the positives -

1. It is good that k9'ers care enough about their breed to question any suspicious posting.

2. We all got to know you in a hurry now!

The best advice I can offer is ... think a little more carefully about how your post may come across before you post it and give a bit more info so people know what they've got to work with ... especially in a first post of this nature.

All the best with it and I sincerely hope you are not put off k9 forever. We are a good bunch really!

 

[littleminx]

Some times two litters do happen quickly, i had my first litter of GSD's in 3 years in january as i missed the mating 6mths previous and was desperate to have a litter from this bitch as she has a super temperment and colour, i also bred her and want to continue those lines and she has done fab in the ring, her pups sold beginning of march and beginning of may i had another litter born, different lines completley but simular reasons but i probably won't have another litter again for ages as i have enough to be going on with again in the ring.Sometimes things just go that way

 

[janfiers]

:thumbsup: I think Aslan has nailed it down completely. ) It is good though that as Whippet owners in the first instance we are all wanting the best for our breed in whichever aspect we take part, be it simply as a family pet, racing, showing or coursing or whatever else, I think there's only agility left.

I think from previous threads we have all learnt to very carefully consider what we write when we post. We have some brilliant fun on here and also learn lots from others which I am sure Ian will come to realise (assuming he wants to continue, as we are a nice lot really). And we are all most protective of not exploiting our beloved breed which sometimes causes folk to react instinctively when a post is made where the information given is not crystal clear.

 

[bertie]

Welcome to K9 Ian.

I hope you enjoy your stay with us. (w00t)

Poor guy only wanted some help with a stud dog.

I think we should allow both him some intelligence and also the prospective stud owner to ask the right questions.

surely he has gone about this the right way by asking for help and advice on here.

 

[~Dave~]

I am slightly worried about some of the postings on this thread too.  Many people are judging this couple, and a bit unfairly I think.  People have many different reasons for breeding pups, and the breeding lines don't always come in to it.  I hadn't realised that the couple were in racing, and so therefore may have been wanting a racing dog for stud - this being the case then the breeding of the show bitch wouldn't come in to question, as it would probably be a complete outcross.
We need people to bring new bloodlines into racing, as our gene pool is fairly small. 

As whippet people we are all a bit suspicious at times, but we should all respect the feelings of others, and not judge them before we know the facts.  I believe this couple are new to K9, and as a brilliant source of information, they may have been put off from posting or asking for advice again.  We may have given the appearance of being an unfriendly bunch - which we're not.

I bred from my first whippet (Shalfleet, Nimrodel lines) many years ago, and although I looked for similar lines, my main reason for breeding was that I loved her to bits, and wanted one of her puppies - at the end of the day, I didn't much care what the breeding was of the stud dog as long as he was a whippet!  That didn't make me a bad owner or breeder. 

If K9 was up and running years ago, I might well have advertised for a stud myself, and would have been VERY offended if anyone had questioned my reasons for breeding. :angry:

We do have to be careful where our breed is concerned, as many do fall in to the wrong hands, but just because these people have one litter of lurchers just ready to go, doesn't mean they use their dogs as breeding machines. 

Personally I don't like the idea of people breeding, then seeing if the pup comes up to scratch, and if not pass it to a pet home - it happens all the time in showing, but it's one of the things that goes on, and is accepted.

We will never all agree on everything, but I think it's a bit cruel to jump on these people and presume the worst.  Give 'em a break :thumbsup:

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Excellent Post!!!

It's not what we say! It's how we say it!!! and I think that is how this thread was started

 

[Ridgesetter]

Hi Ian

Your reason for wanting to breed your bitch are entirely your own, however, people will have opinions and they may be different from yours. Don't take comments personally but try to understand why they are made or why. If people have been involved with rescue, or experienced a problem with a 'breeder', it can make them very protective of the breed.

My work involves me speaking with 'breeders' from all over the country. Some of the breeders are breeding for the show/breeding world, others because they love their dog and believe families can benefit from getting a puppy from their wonderful girl, and there are others who are in it for the money - what I term cash crops. Thinking about it, there's probably even another group - those breeding for the security / services industry. Whilst I don't always agree with the motives of all, they can legally breed and should all be treated the same and given advice, assistance and when possible, education.

Registered breeders can be seen at elitists from the outside . As was intimated, breeding for show conformation and then discarding the rest as pets is often sneered at. Many a registered breeder has overlooked or ignored temperament or potential genetic diseases for a 'look'. IMO, such people are no better than the cash crop breeders.

By the same token, here in Oz the racing fraternity breed specifically for size and speed and they sometimes make disparaging comments about show dogs. It's all no different from working dogs such as Border Collies and show Border Collies.

I guess you've gathered that just 'any' dog nearby was the catalyst and I'm sure you wrote that in desperation after your planned mating just wasn't happening.

Ian, I'm sure you want to produce happy, healthy puppies. My advice for what it's worth is have your bitch progesterone tested. Having had a houseful of ony bitches until recently, I was using a Draminski machine to check ovulation at home. Bitches are ready for mating at different times. Worked brilliantly. If you haven't missed her, keep trying with your dog. If your dog isn't interetested in her, forget mating her this season and take time to find a suitable dog. Talk to the owners of available dogs, check out the dog - what's he's produced and learn whether the combination will be suitable.

Regards from a chilly winter morning downunder.

Toni

Ridgesetter - Whippets, RR's, Saluki and soon a BT

 

[JAX]

As always Toni , beautifuly put )

For me it was the `any dog nearby `that got `me going ` Im wondering if they race their whippets why they posted in Showing and not Racing :wacko: ?/

 

[ian skelding]

Perhaps you would like to read the original post again tell us where it says "any dog nearby" as it clearly states we are looking for a stud dog within forty miles. This is not "any dog". You clearly are judging us again, and making up your own assumptions.

Yes we do race our whippets when we can, but our bitch is from show lines.

 

[ian skelding]

Jax

After reviewing all the posts and replies, we now have found it's YOU Jax that have changed the words and never have we said "any dog, close by"

 

[ian skelding]

No further discussion on this matter from us !!

 

[aslan]

Hi all
Our bitch is in season and ready and willing to be mated, but unfortunately our dog

is not interested in her probably as they live together.

If possible the stud should live within 40 miles of us(Wolverhampton).

The first mating should be Fri/sat 3rd may with another sun/mon

She has a good pedigree from show lines

Please help!

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Well! You do not stipulate what type of dog you are looking for (racing bred? coursing bred? non-ped? show bred? show dog? pet? what lines?) - that definitely gives the impression that you will accept any dog that will accept your bitch.

The title is "Stud Dog Needed" and the only stipulation is that he lives within 40 miles which equates to "close by" doesn't it?

You tell me ... what else were people supposed to think?

I'm sorry Ian but as people have tried to point out to you, it's not WHAT you SAID ... it's what you DIDN'T say.

 

[JAX]

Jax
After reviewing all the posts and replies, we now have found it's YOU Jax that have changed the words and never have we said "any dog, close by"

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My apoligies , but as Lana says . its not what you said , but what you didnt say

 

[kris]

what rang the alarm bells for me as well as how ian put his post was the amount of them too.when i went to all posts by this person hed posted the same request in 3 forums.after id posted that hed missed her cos 3rd may was last month he pmd me asking me if i had a stud dog! :blink: ( i have but i dont think a shiba inu crossed with a whippy was what he was looking for!) (w00t) ive since talked to a few folk on here and heard that ian is only 15 so maybe he should be forgiven for his post as he is only a young lad and not an adult.its true what has been said on here by other folk,its what he DIDNT say that caused some probs.i asked for him to put some info on to try to get some info about his bitch.apparently i should not have dared to ask for this!but i didnt get it anyway!as he didnt reply to that post.the truth is folks hes the dogs owner he can do with it what he wants. :- "