Stud Dogs

[bardmand]

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I really like the Swedish Kennel Club's policy of making their records on all dogs registered with them available on the Internet.
The good thing about the Swedish Kennel Club's way of doing things, is that it might help some people find potential stud dogs that might otherwise have been overlooked because they have not competed extensively in any field. They might still carry valuable bloodlines and qualities. I am pretty certain there has been a fair share of those in the history of whippet breeding.

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This is OK once a dog has been in a competition or has sired a litter. What of the dog who, for whatever reason, is not able to compete (for example he broke a leg as a puppy which has not set correctly? ) but is otherwise an ideal specimen? The 'valuable bloodlines' is a little misleadingas ALL pups in a litter have the same dam & sire BUT theoretically could have 100% different bloodlines.

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Well, ALL registered dogs are listed, so even if they have not competed in any field, they are still in the database. At least you get to know about the dog's existence, and then you will probably have to do more research to find out if it is the right sire for your bitch's litter, or why it has not competed.

I am not a breeder myself, but would think it could be a valuable tool. You also get a complete list of all the dog's progeny - not just the "successful" ones, but also the ones that have not competed, or have done so with little success.

Say, e.g., that the stud dog you had in mind cannot be used for some reason (infertile after an infection, deceased, or whatever) - he might have a litter brother you never heard of, but is equally good (it does not happen often, but theoretically, it might).

Of course, K9community cannot develop a similar tool, I was just thinking out loud; it would be ideal if all registering bodies could be convinced into offering the same kind of service.

 

[aslan]

Obviously, everybody think their dog is good, and if somebody asks about using their dog for stud, nobody is going to say; " you better go to X he is better than mine", now are they?Lida

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Umm ... actually yes I think I would. I might not say the X dog is better than mine but he might be better for THAT particular bitch.

I doubt very much that Dino's first stud will be to a maiden bitch. If a maiden bitch comes to him as his first I think I will refer the person on to an experienced stud dog with similar lines ... unless of course I idolise the bitch and can't wait for her to be mated to Dino, then I would probably say yes.

But I would prefer that he gets "an experienced woman" for his first time!

 

[aslan]

nothing has been said about a stud dogs character, i think seeing the dog before a breeding is planned is a must. the attitude and behaviour of a stud is as important as physical attributes in my oppinion. its more than speed and good looks that make a good dog.

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Actually John did suggest a section for temperament in his first post.

However I think this would be a very difficult thing to do in a list. Whoever gets the opportunity to comment on other's dogs temperaments - could lead to some untruths rather than truths being sprouted. It's probably easier (perhaps?) in racing circles where I presume records are kept of dogs that attempt to bite/fight whilst racing. Therefore the number of times a dog has been cited for such an incident could be listed. Whereas if a dog grumbles at another dog in the ring or is aggressive at other dogs who walk past its crate it is not always reported because it is not always an immediate and true sign of bad temperament. And who has the right to comment on a dog in respect to things like "is wary of children", "shies off male judges" - the person who is making the comment may have only seen it happen once or twice. And even if it happens often is it a sign of bad temperament or a sign of an early bad experience?

Of course nothing beats going and meeting the dog yourself and then viewing him in a number of different settings a number of times - home, race track, show ring etc.

I can see what you're getting at John and in essence it would be a good idea but I think it would be difficult to execute honestly and openly. Pedigrees and such are usually easy information to obtain - even without a stud dog list. The real things most of us want to know about a stud dog (eg produces monorchids/cryptorchids? how many?) are often the things that are kept hidden.

 

[beaker]

" The real things most of us want to know about a stud dog (eg produces monorchids/cryptorchids? how many?) are often the things that are kept hidden."

how many would be honest enough to give this information?

the principle of providing as much choice and information to prospective breeders as possible so that they can make an informed decision is a good idea, i just worry that it is mainly going to be used by stud owners intent on self promotion. there are so many people out there with stud dogs that are happy for them to cover anything that has four legs and barks. I just worry that a list of stud dogs would turn into an advertising forum which is not what this site is about.

 

[Vicky]

Sounds good in theory but i dont think there's a way it can be controlled / scored. All people can do is make a short list of potential stud dogs and look further into their breeding/ littermates / size / achievements etc etc

For Ella i went for a dog who was superb on the bends / long distances (Ella has absolutely no stamina)

Something with a bit of leg (she's a bit short and stocky)

Good breeding (ch littermates and imo tied in with her breeding nicely)

Plenty guts (Ella's not short of guts but i feel it's really important in racing whippets)

Consistent (wasn't flying one week and yards down the next)

Only thing i've heard against my choice is that he's been lightly used at stud, 1 pup in first litter (didn't race) 2nd litter only 8 months old, but he is the dog i wanted and i was prepared to take a chance. Obviously the proof will be in the pudding - watch this space :lol:

Someone who is prepared to go to the first whippet stud available and haven't done their homework is perhaps doing it for the wrong reasons, and maybe would deserve for it to backfire.

Like someone else above said, if a stud dog owner feels his dog isn't suitable for a particular bitch then they should say so and cancel the mating.

 

[JAX]

I would send someone with a bitch to someone else if I didnt think my dog was suitable .

Lana , as regards maiden Bitches and maiden dogs , I wouldnt bother about Dino , All of Badgers `girls` were maidens :huggles: (apart from one that came back for a second litter ) and Montees first bitch was a maiden too . As was Woodys :thumbsup:

 

[Seraphina]

Obviously, everybody think their dog is good, and if somebody asks about using their dog for stud, nobody is going to say; " you better go to X he is better than mine", now are they?Lida

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Umm ... actually yes I think I would. I might not say the X dog is better than mine but he might be better for THAT particular bitch.

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Lana; I was just commenting on John's post;

This kind of list would be a starting point for people......maybe get them off to a better start than ending up on sombodies' personal, home-made website, where there is no regulation or restriction upon them bulling up their own dogs for financial gain....

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There is difference sending bitch's owner to somebody else because you feel your dog is not suitable for her ( or she is not good enough), and telling them that in general there are better dogs around than yours. :unsure:

Lida

 

[Judy]

  Perhaps dogs could be listed in catagories, ie. racing, showing, coursing working, etc....and stars be awarded for their performances at nationally recognized competitions....Maybe space could be made available for comments on temperament, etc. to be made by people (maybe club secretaries?) who know the dogs and/or their relations and offspring personally?

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Sounds good but I think that in reality it would cause a lot of problems. We all know what a fight was caused when someone made negative comments about another person's stud dog on this board. The comments were quite obviously going to cause an upset.

K9 has become a good source of information about anything to do with dogs and contacts are easily made through the board. Because of that, it's also a good point of contact for anyone looking for a stud dog but it is probably better if people make enquiries privately through PMs etc rather than publicly discussing the merits and faults of a dog on the board. Anybody who can't be bothered to do a bit of private research shouldn't really be encouraged to breed at all IMO.

 

[*Lesley*]

  Perhaps dogs could be listed in catagories, ie. racing, showing, coursing working, etc....and stars be awarded for their performances at nationally recognized competitions....Maybe space could be made available for comments on temperament, etc. to be made by people (maybe club secretaries?) who know the dogs and/or their relations and offspring personally?

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Sounds good but I think that in reality it would cause a lot of problems. We all know what a fight was caused when someone made negative comments about another person's stud dog on this board. The comments were quite obviously going to cause an upset.

Whilst K9 is a good point of contact for anyone looking for a stud dog it is probably better if people make enquiries privately through PMs etc rather than publicly discussing the merits and faults of a dog on the board. Anybody who can't be bothered to do a bit of research shouldn't really be encouraged to breed at all.

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I'll second that Judy very good points :thumbsup:

 

[Mark Roberts]

I agree that everyone should do more research than 1/2 an hour on t'internet...But it would be nice if that 1/2 hour gave them some productive and truthfull results.

Truthfull results? how big is Barney?.