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:blink: :huggles: wishing my life away now for the end of next year

 

[sharon whincop]

go for it Sharon if the bloodlines are there you can get a good litter, you can put the top dog and top bitch together and get nowt   I would like to put  Tillie LITTLE DOLL (chicane x 2 become one ) to AVIT (gillette x taylor maid) at the end next year if Jac is up for it

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When i got umbro and saw his breeding I said straight away he was perfect for Belle. In his first year of racing he's won 20lb BWRA Pup and Yearling plus sup dog yearling. NNWRF 21lb plus sup dog yearling. Runner up 18lb BWRA and a few weight class win's and 1 open win and not even 16 month's yet. So won't be affraid to use him. :thumbsup:

 

[storm1]

my view as a owner of working terriers...the best x the bestif your bitch is just average or not winning dont breed, buy one in from the best.

if your bitch is good then go to the best out there

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EVEN THE BESTXBEST DOESNT ALWAYS PRODUCE WINNERS[OR WORKERS]

SOME TOP CLASS GREYHOUND THAT PRODUE GREAT PUPS

HAVE NEVER RACED OR ONLY A FEW

NOTHINGS A CERTAINTY IN BREEDING ITS TRIAL AND ERROR

OR IF THE TWO DOGS GEL TOGETHER :thumbsup:

 

[Fleesh]

Thing is with Moany Moany she has Mick's Mystery and Tyrone in her breeding (plus all the whippet blood behind them). The rest is greyhound (Wonderwall half ghd and Aimee 3 quarter ghd) so it was a case of deciding whether I went for something I thought would tie in the whippet lines or something that would compliment the greyhound blood.

Having looked at lots of different dogs and their breeding I happened upon Gold Run. His dam K-Sera is Mick's Mystery x Toybelle who is out of Toy Soldier out of Tyrone. So that's really puts the Mick's Mystery and Tyrone lines in the breeding (I had looked at matings and found that 9 out of 10 matings crossing Mick's Mystery and Tyrone produced some fantastic racers). Our Jack worked well with K-Sera. The theory goes, stick a bit more Mick's Mystery and Tyrone in from Blaze (and some IMO very nice greyhound blood to boot) and hopefully we'll get good results.

Of course as has happened to people in the past, we can all go in the with best choice of dog/best intentions in bloodlines and still end up with some right puddings .

 

[Fleesh]

I think it's really interesting when looking at which dogs you would put together because everyone would go for different qualities in dogs..............the fastest and the fastest together might not produce a champion, but a dog with early pace and a good trapper with a dog who has stamina and brains.....................is that the perfect combination?? Would be interesting to know why those who have bred champs went for the combinations they did Or am I being too scientific????
chris

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I bloody hope it's a good combination :teehee:

 

[weathergirls]

know what you mean :luck:

I get MUSTARD on both sides a generation apart

 

[lalena]

just curious, as a non whippet/lurcher etc etc owner, how much importance is placed on the determination of the dogs involved? which stud would you use if it came down to one whos really fast, but can take it or leave it, or one whos slower but puts his heart and soul into it?

 

[sadieandco]

A good point i think there, as i personally do think temperaments of parents can pass down to their offspring, and theres nothing more frustrating than a dog that you know has the ability but is only half hearted when competing so another factor we should possibly be looking at when choosing our stud dogs the temperaments of the dogs involved, one that gives 110% everytime it runs or one that may just run when IT feels like it albeit it fast when it does.

The list gets longer bloodlines for speed, are they good trappers, do they have stamina, nice shape, temperament oh and of course are they 'pretty' one of my biggest choices :- "

Like Andrew said earlier its like the lottery get em all right and your laughing

 

[Fleesh]

But don't get them right and you can still have a laugh down at the local club

 

[sadieandco]

But don't get them right and you can still have a laugh down at the local club 

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Now i'm offended you mean your all laughing at me :blink: :wacko:

 

[Fleesh]

But don't get them right and you can still have a laugh down at the local club 

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Now i'm offended you mean your all laughing at me :blink: :wacko:

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Karen what kind of club members do you think we are ? We don't laugh at people behind their backs :huggles: . We turn to face them dead on and give them a right funny look, then we all laugh at them together :teehee:

 

[milly]

I think its all well and good having the right breeding, but at the end of the day its down to the owners to bring out the best in a dog.

Time and time again I have seen promising dogs in the wrong hands, in respect of the owners not having the experience or brains to bring them on ie knocking too much weight off them to gain a few yards advantage. Also I've seen dogs in the 40lb class which are obviously No Limiters :wacko:

This is just my opinion :- "

 

[Karen-Coral]

I think its all well and good having the right breeding, but at the end of the day its down to the owners to bring out the best in a dog.Time and time again I have seen promising dogs in the wrong hands, in respect of the owners not having the experience or brains to bring them on ie knocking too much weight off them to gain a few yards advantage. Also I've seen dogs in the 40lb class which are obviously No Limiters :wacko:

This is just my opinion :- "

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Think your spot on with your observations ------new racers put much more into dogs and get more out if they are keen to start with --

steve

 

[mutley]

i agree fletch but you also get naturals in dogs and the owners THINK they are doing everything right (w00t)

 

[sadieandco]

Even the best dog man/woman cannot make a slow dog fast - the dog has to have the ability in the first place thats not saying, i agree that if best put in and dog given the best chance if the speed is there you should reap the rewards.

 

[mutley]

spot on sadie :thumbsup:

 

[sadieandco]

spot on sadie :thumbsup:

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Karen actually

 

[tanglewood]

I agree that you can get dogs that are natural racers it doesnt take much to get them into top class form and run to their best ability. However you do get the opposite as well. We bred our bitch Stormy Weather to Lauras Dream and got a bitch we called Stormy Dreams she was a complete flying machine but when she raced she just would not pass another dog, if she was in front she would wait and shoulder the dog all the way up the track, in the end we stopped racing her because we knew she would eventually hurt someone elses dog.

We tried all sorts to get her to run as well as we knew she should but nothing worked, We still have her as we dont re-home our dogs, Her sister Baby Sham and her brother Finale both went on to win lots of races between them. I often wonder that she may have ran better had we re-homed her or if it was always in her.

I dont think this was anything wrong with the breeding I just think that no matter what the breeding you may get dodgy dogs as well as really good ones. she just seemed to highly strung to make a good racer.

Has anyone else had this problem??

 

[billyboy45]

my view as a owner of working terriers...the best x the bestif your bitch is just average or not winning dont breed, buy one in from the best.

if your bitch is good then go to the best out there

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EVEN THE BESTXBEST DOESNT ALWAYS PRODUCE WINNERS[OR WORKERS]

SOME TOP CLASS GREYHOUND THAT PRODUE GREAT PUPS

HAVE NEVER RACED OR ONLY A FEW

NOTHINGS A CERTAINTY IN BREEDING ITS TRIAL AND ERROR

OR IF THE TWO DOGS GEL TOGETHER :thumbsup:

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Over here in Ireland,all the good Greyhound brood's are unraced bitches,or bitches who have only raced a few time's.Whether it's old wive's tale's or whatever,this is the way it is,and true to form,work's.Look up the IGB brood bitches,and check races.9 time's out of 10,it will state,no races.Almost all the great Droopy's brood's were unraced.Ive often been told,when i had a realy good bitch,(who of course had the right blood line's)to put her away for breeding,as to much racing,spoil's them for breeding.Cant realy understand why though.

 

[sharon whincop]

I agree that you can get dogs that are natural racers it doesnt take much to get them into top class form and run to their best ability. However you do get the opposite as well. We bred our bitch Stormy Weather to Lauras Dream and got a bitch we called Stormy Dreams she was a complete flying machine but when she raced she just would not pass another dog, if she was in front she would wait and shoulder the dog all the way up the track, in the end we stopped racing her because we knew she would eventually hurt someone elses dog.
We tried all sorts to get her to run as well as we knew she should but nothing worked, We still have her as we dont re-home our dogs, Her sister Baby Sham and her brother Finale both went on to win lots of races between them. I often wonder that she may have ran better had we re-homed her or if it was always in her.

I dont think this was anything wrong with the breeding I just think that no matter what the breeding you may get dodgy dogs as well as really good ones. she just seemed to highly strung to make a good racer.

Has anyone else had this problem??

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We had one like this out of Sasparella and Spellbound. We called him Zipparella he won 4 out of 4 opens off the front but put him beside a dog and he'd push them all over the track. Fastest thing we've had but went to a pet home. Couldn't even use him for stud no bits.