Tail Docking - What Do You Think?

[banana]

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I am a bit confused about tail docking in the UK.

I know its no longer legal but understand that 'you can get away with it' if you say your dog is a working dog.

How is that policed and enforced?

Plus - I have also heard it said that it doesn't hurt the pups when the tails are docked - is that true?

 

[TTT]

On the mainland, I understand that it needs to be done by a vet asyoung pups and a gun licence has to be produced at the time to prove they are to be 'workers'. They are microchipped at the same time.

Done skilfully at a few days old, I don't believe it causes any longstanding harm, certainly my docked terriers never suffered any ill-effects.

 

[Strix]

If a breeder is producing working dogs, they will presumably only be working a selection from that litter. Docking must be done when the litter are only a few days old, when it is impossible to choose which will be the best to train, so the whole litter will be docked - some of these will then wind up as pets

If you see the mess of a broken tail on an adult dog, and how unsuccessful an amputation is, often requiring several attempts losing further sections of tail, you'd ask why we're so barbaric as to have banned docking

A pup's nervous system isn't fully developed, and the rapid growth at such an early age means that little pain is inflicted in docking (human babies aren't ticklish, and grazes heal overnight)

 

[lurcherman]

dont know much but for me early it has to be and its a must for workers.

 

[Smokeybear]

I am a bit confused about tail docking in the UK.

I know its no longer legal but understand that 'you can get away with it' if you say your dog is a working dog.

How is that policed and enforced?

Plus - I have also heard it said that it doesn't hurt the pups when the tails are docked - is that true?

Actually it is not illegal per se apart from in Scotland

It is legal for some breeds of Terriers and gundogs if certain criteria are met in England and Wales, there are some minor differences between the two countries ie you can dock a sprocker in England but not in Wales.

It is not a case of "getting away with it" it is a case of it being entirely legal for various reasons. The criteria that needs to be met and the breeds eligible for docking (where still legal) can be found here:

http://www.cdb.org/awa/index.htm

 

[masta]

In England, any spaniel, terrier, hunt point retrieve breed or their crosses can be docked (as long as the necessary evidence indicating that they are likely to work is produced). Owners and keepers wishing to have a working dog’s tail docked must ensure that this is undertaken in accordance with the law. The docked dog will also have to be micro-chipped before it is 3 months of age. If you get the dog before it is 3 months old, we would encourage you to make sure that it is micro-chipped before taking ownership and that the certificate has been completed in all parts. Veterinary surgeons are the only persons who are allowed to decide that a dog may have its tail docked.

The puppy must be presented with the dam, and a statement provided by the owner (or the owner’s representative) that the dog is intended to work in one of the specified areas below. Additional evidence related to the particular type of work the dog will perform is also required. It is crucial that members take all available paperwork with them when they go to the vet, including printouts of the document below together with the proofs of working status etc.

(a) law enforcement,
(b) activities of Her Majesty’s armed forces,
© emergency rescue,
(d) lawful pest control, or
(e) the lawful shooting of animals


England Tail docking of dogs in England - an overview

Defra launched a public consultation in January 2002 on reviewing the existing animal welfare legislation. It was accepted that the Protection of Animals Act 1911 was outdated and needed enhancing according to modern day good practice and advances in veterinary science. The Animal Welfare Act 2006 came into force on 6th April 2007.

The Animal Welfare Act 2006, which contains a general ban on the tail docking of dogs, and the limited exemptions to it, applies to England and Wales only. However, regulations detailing how working dogs are identified and certificated have been made separately in the two countries and differ in certain details. The following information relates to England only.

Exemptions for working dogs in England

There are exemptions from the ban for certain types of working dog, or where docking is performed for medical treatment. The exemption allows certain types of working dog to have their tails docked by a veterinary surgeon. The dog has to be no more than 5 days old and the veterinary surgeon must certify that he or she has seen evidence that the dog is likely to work in one of the specified areas.

Click here to download a sample tail docking certificate

In England, any spaniel, terrier, hunt point retrieve breed or their crosses can be docked (as long as the necessary evidence indicating that they are likely to work is produced). Owners and keepers wishing to have a working dog’s tail docked must ensure that this is undertaken in accordance with the law. The docked dog will also have to be micro-chipped before it is 3 months of age. If you get the dog before it is 3 months old, we would encourage you to make sure that it is micro-chipped before taking ownership and that the certificate has been completed in all parts. Veterinary surgeons are the only persons who are allowed to decide that a dog may have its tail docked.

Evidence required in the support of legal tail docking

The puppy must be presented with the dam, and a statement provided by the owner (or the owner’s representative) that the dog is intended to work in one of the specified areas below. Additional evidence related to the particular type of work the dog will perform is also required. It is crucial that members take all available paperwork with them when they go to the vet, including printouts of the document below together with the proofs of working status etc.

(a) law enforcement,
(b) activities of Her Majesty’s armed forces,
© emergency rescue,
(d) lawful pest control, or
(e) the lawful shooting of animals

Additional evidence

A current shotgun or firearm certificate issued to the owner of the dog, or to the agent or employee of the owner most likely to be using the dog for work in connection with the lawful shooting of animals OR

A letter from a gamekeeper, a land occupier (or his agent), a person with shooting rights, a shoot organiser, a club official, or a person engaged in lawful pest control, stating that the breeder of the dog whose tail is to be docked is known to him and that dogs bred by that breeder have been used (as the case may be) on his land, or in his shoot, or for pest control.

Taken from BASC website

 

[storm1]

In England, any spaniel, terrier, hunt point retrieve breed or their crosses can be docked (as long as the necessary evidence indicating that they are likely to work is produced). Owners and keepers wishing to have a working dog’s tail docked must ensure that this is undertaken in accordance with the law. The docked dog will also have to be micro-chipped before it is 3 months of age. If you get the dog before it is 3 months old, we would encourage you to make sure that it is micro-chipped before taking ownership and that the certificate has been completed in all parts. Veterinary surgeons are the only persons who are allowed to decide that a dog may have its tail docked.

The puppy must be presented with the dam, and a statement provided by the owner (or the owner’s representative) that the dog is intended to work in one of the specified areas below. Additional evidence related to the particular type of work the dog will perform is also required. It is crucial that members take all available paperwork with them when they go to the vet, including printouts of the document below together with the proofs of working status etc.

(a) law enforcement,

(b) activities of Her Majesty’s armed forces,

© emergency rescue,

(d) lawful pest control, or

(e) the lawful shooting of animals


England Tail docking of dogs in England - an overview

Defra launched a public consultation in January 2002 on reviewing the existing animal welfare legislation. It was accepted that the Protection of Animals Act 1911 was outdated and needed enhancing according to modern day good practice and advances in veterinary science. The Animal Welfare Act 2006 came into force on 6th April 2007.

The Animal Welfare Act 2006, which contains a general ban on the tail docking of dogs, and the limited exemptions to it, applies to England and Wales only. However, regulations detailing how working dogs are identified and certificated have been made separately in the two countries and differ in certain details. The following information relates to England only.

Exemptions for working dogs in England

There are exemptions from the ban for certain types of working dog, or where docking is performed for medical treatment. The exemption allows certain types of working dog to have their tails docked by a veterinary surgeon. The dog has to be no more than 5 days old and the veterinary surgeon must certify that he or she has seen evidence that the dog is likely to work in one of the specified areas.

Click here to download a sample tail docking certificate

In England, any spaniel, terrier, hunt point retrieve breed or their crosses can be docked (as long as the necessary evidence indicating that they are likely to work is produced). Owners and keepers wishing to have a working dog’s tail docked must ensure that this is undertaken in accordance with the law. The docked dog will also have to be micro-chipped before it is 3 months of age. If you get the dog before it is 3 months old, we would encourage you to make sure that it is micro-chipped before taking ownership and that the certificate has been completed in all parts. Veterinary surgeons are the only persons who are allowed to decide that a dog may have its tail docked.

Evidence required in the support of legal tail docking

The puppy must be presented with the dam, and a statement provided by the owner (or the owner’s representative) that the dog is intended to work in one of the specified areas below. Additional evidence related to the particular type of work the dog will perform is also required. It is crucial that members take all available paperwork with them when they go to the vet, including printouts of the document below together with the proofs of working status etc.

(a) law enforcement,

(b) activities of Her Majesty’s armed forces,

© emergency rescue,

(d) lawful pest control, or

(e) the lawful shooting of animals

Additional evidence

A current shotgun or firearm certificate issued to the owner of the dog, or to the agent or employee of the owner most likely to be using the dog for work in connection with the lawful shooting of animals OR

A letter from a gamekeeper, a land occupier (or his agent), a person with shooting rights, a shoot organiser, a club official, or a person engaged in lawful pest control, stating that the breeder of the dog whose tail is to be docked is known to him and that dogs bred by that breeder have been used (as the case may be) on his land, or in his shoot, or for pest control.

Taken from BASC website

an excellent post and very informative should

help alot of people of the law spot on :thumbsup:

 

[george33]

I got my first boxer 18 years ago as a 5 years old rescue and she was docked. By the time we got George as a pup 5 years later the docking laws had changed and he wasn't done as is not my now 4 years old. I hate docked tails to be honest they look awful and no matter what is said to the contrary of course it hurts.A tail is there to help with balance and should be left there unless it is injured.The "oh it is a working dog" doesn't ring true with me,when was the last time you saw a boxer working?The ultimate working dogs collies don't have a docked tail!

 

[TTT]

I got my first boxer 18 years ago as a 5 years old rescue and she was docked. By the time we got George as a pup 5 years later the docking laws had changed and he wasn't done as is not my now 4 years old. I hate docked tails to be honest they look awful and no matter what is said to the contrary of course it hurts.A tail is there to help with balance and should be left there unless it is injured.The "oh it is a working dog" doesn't ring true with me,when was the last time you saw a boxer working?The ultimate working dogs collies don't have a docked tail!

Indeed - I don't think many would look upon Boxers as 'working' animals in Britain today. I would imagine most of the types being presented for legal docking these days would be the like of spaniels who would be expected to be regularly working heavy cover, where there are risks of tail injuries, which are notoriously hard to heal, like wise the terriers would be working 'underground' in tight spaces, again where the risk of a injured tail would hinder working ability.

The presence of tails on show and pets dogs is most likely not a problem. On true 'working' dogs, however, can be problematical.