Tail Docking

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This seems to be such an emotive subject, dont know if it has been polled before, but I wonder if there is any real majority feeling towards it. Personally I am glad that my breed dosent fall into the docking debate category, but my thoughts are in favour of the ban.

 

[hellybobs]

I've voted for the working dog part of the poll.

I've seen a working dog (un docked) injure its tail whilst working and its not a pretty sight and it was very painful for the dog.

 

[saraquele]

i voted yes , but its a hard one , realistically i think it should be down to the breeders / owners wether they want to dock or not .

this country is falling apart :rant:

its the principal of it all , i have no real argument on the tail docking, ive seen it done and no problem , if people want to dock then it should be allowed , if they dont then fine , its taking our choices away that gets me :rant:

you cant do anything without permission anymore , what happend to the free country we stove to achieve ?

im not just on about tail docking but the big picture .

people who make the decisions , without really knowing much about the problem then its the lay people who have to do as we are told :rant:

ok rant over o ( for now :- " )

 

[Mark Roberts]

I said yes (no, 2) but was split between 2 & 3.

 

[Joanna]

I have to go with working dogs only(spaniels who can get caught up in brambles mainly). We had a docked Dobe a few years back and her stump was a constant source of irritation to her. I also feel that dogs use their tail to aid balance and movement. It is just mutilation to suit our own eye and is totally out-dated and ridiculous in the modern world. Seeing Crufts last night on TV, I was really pleased to see a boxer undocked. I think it looked so much better intact.

 

[sharron]

Agree with you joanna, It was nice to see a undocked boxer last night. MIL had 2 cockers docked, 1 of which always had prblems with its little tail.

Voted working only.

 

[whippetsrus]

I owned a cocker spaniel for many years. He was very fond of burrowing through brambles and goodness knows what else. His tail was docked but I dread to think the problems we may have had otherwise.

I think this is a very sensitive area and there are bound to be many thoughts and opinions on this subject.

 

[Paula Roberts]

Agree with everything you say Sharon. :cheers: If our grandparents coulds see what they fought so hard for in the world wars just being given away i bet theyd wonder why they bothered. :rant:

 

[Alex Delarge]

i voted yes , but its a hard one , realistically i think it should be down to the breeders / owners wether they want to dock or not .
this country is falling apart  :rant:

its the principal of it all , i have no real argument on the tail docking, ive seen it done and no problem , if people want to dock then it should be allowed , if they dont then fine , its taking our choices away that gets me  :rant:

you cant do anything without permission anymore , what happend to the free country we stove to achieve ?

im not just on about tail docking but the big picture .

people who make the decisions , without really knowing much about the problem then its the lay people who have to do as we are told  :rant:

ok rant over  o   ( for now  :- "  )

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How much of a choice does the poor dog get??? I feel sooo sorry you :wacko: Surely "to ban or not to ban" should be down to the facts of what is better for the dog in a lifetime? I hate censorship, I hate having to follow rules but if these things are set out & there to protect an animal, I can live with the fact that some people will have to be ruled by the law if it's banned. Some people just need a huge reality check :rant:

 

[LasVegasNo1]

I have to go with working dogs only(spaniels who can get caught up in brambles mainly). We had a docked Dobe a few years back and her stump was a constant source of irritation to her. I also feel that dogs use their tail to aid balance and movement. It is just mutilation to suit our own eye and is totally out-dated and ridiculous in the modern world. Seeing Crufts last night on TV, I was really pleased to see a boxer undocked. I think it looked so much better intact.

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I agree with this. Like many traditions, that's just what they are, tradition. They are not necessarily correct, everything should be judged on merit, not the history books.

 

[Kane]

Can anyone explain with the new legislation what happens if a dog is granted an exemption from the legislation as a puppy (last night on Crufts they mentioned that gundogs and other working dogs could be exempted) but then ceases to be a working dog due to injury on the dog's part, or even a change in the owner's circumstances, which results in the dog going to a non-working home?

Obviously, you can't stick the tail back on (!)

Also, can anyone clear up what hapens to working gundogs that are also shown? There aren't many, I know, but the GWP on Crufts last night was a dual champion. Surely, if breeders are striving to retain breed type, they should be paying more attention to the dogs that are still able to perform the function they were created for. A ban on showing docked dogs would just make the gulf between work and show wider, surely?

Maybe, when there are less than 700 healthy dogs destroyed each week because nobody wants them; when puppy farms stop churning out pups for profit full of disease and defects; when mindless idiots stop 'dabbling' in whatever breed is fashionable and create an over-priced population explosion that ends up in rescue a few years down the line: when there are no overweight, bored, frustrated and missunderstood pets and when dog fighting really is a thing of the past.....I might think about the rights and wrongs of docking!

 

[Mark Roberts]

Some people just need a huge reality check

Yes I agree, go and get 1

 

[saraquele]

i voted yes , but its a hard one , realistically i think it should be down to the breeders / owners wether they want to dock or not .
this country is falling apart  :rant:

its the principal of it all , i have no real argument on the tail docking, ive seen it done and no problem , if people want to dock then it should be allowed , if they dont then fine , its taking our choices away that gets me  :rant:

you cant do anything without permission anymore , what happend to the free country we stove to achieve ?

im not just on about tail docking but the big picture .

people who make the decisions , without really knowing much about the problem then its the lay people who have to do as we are told  :rant:

ok rant over  o    ( for now  :- "  )

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How much of a choice does the poor dog get??? I feel sooo sorry you :wacko: Surely "to ban or not to ban" should be down to the facts of what is better for the dog in a lifetime? I hate censorship, I hate having to follow rules but if these things are set out & there to protect an animal, I can live with the fact that some people will have to be ruled by the law if it's banned. Some people just need a huge reality check :rant:

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the dogs do not get a choice , neither do the dogs who are bred to fight , abused or mistreated , all we can do is the best for them as humans , and if that means making sure a RESPONSIBLE and ABLE person docks a puppies tail at the right

age then i think the owner has done right by there dog , i have and always will do ( while we are still allowed) to have the dew claws removed off any puppy i breed , and yes it is the same as docking , ie removing a part of a dog it was born with .

the docking ban was brought in to stop the dogs being hurt , and i know they say working dogs can be docked , i understand that this could prevent suffering later on if a dog has a tail injury but if its supposed to be cruel to dock then why wasnt it banned all together :- "

we are now living in a world of being told what to do and as paula said our grandparents will be turning in there graves at the state of this country now :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

Also, can anyone clear up what happens to working gundogs that are also shown? There aren't many, I know, but the GWP on Crufts last night was a dual champion. Surely, if breeders are striving to retain breed type, they should be paying more attention to the dogs that are still able to perform the function they were created for. A ban on showing docked dogs would just make the gulf between work and show wider, surely?

Yes it will make the gap wider ......The kennel club do nothing to retain the original type of any breed ........ be it size, ability, health, type etc ........ I'd say once docked working dogs are unable to compete at shows like Crufts, that'll be the last big divide .......There are show dogs and now working type breeds ........ I like the idea that a dog has to prove it can work, keep its breed type, lure course, do obedience, agility and such like .......It would be good to see if the working type breeds or the show breeds came out on top

 

[kris]

Some people just need a huge reality check

Yes I agree, go and get 1

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PMSL! :lol: couldnt agree more! :thumbsup:

 

[*Lesley*]

As long as it doesn't hurt the dog I'm ok with it, if whippets were docked i wouldn't get my legs whipped to death every morning :lol: I wouldn't want them to be though they look nice with tails :huggles:

We were talking about the docking on Sunday and my dad used to say that years ago they used to bite the tails off I thought he was having me on but the more experienced(polite for older :- " ) informed me its true, how disgusting is that :x :x

As for dewclaws I've seen that done and although I could never do it physically myself(I'd be too nervous)the pups never made a sound, like I've said before though it was done by a very experienced person, so it was quick :thumbsup:

 

[05whippet]

Can anyone explain with the new legislation what happens if a dog is granted an exemption from the legislation as a puppy (last night on Crufts they mentioned that gundogs and other working dogs could be exempted) but then ceases to be a working dog due to injury on the dog's part, or even a change in the owner's circumstances, which results in the dog going to a non-working home?
Obviously, you can't stick the tail back on (!)

Also, can anyone clear up what hapens to working gundogs that are also shown? There aren't many, I know, but the GWP on Crufts last night was a dual champion. Surely, if breeders are striving to retain breed type, they should be paying more attention to the dogs that are still able to perform the function they were created for. A ban on showing docked dogs would just make the gulf between work and show wider, surely?

Maybe, when there are less than 700 healthy dogs destroyed each week because nobody wants them; when puppy farms stop churning out pups for profit full of disease and defects; when mindless idiots stop 'dabbling' in whatever breed is fashionable and create an over-priced population explosion that ends up in rescue a few years down the line: when there are no overweight, bored, frustrated and missunderstood pets and when dog fighting really is a thing of the past.....I might think about the rights and wrongs of docking!

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To answer your question in the 2nd paragraph re: "can anyone clear up what happens to working gundogs that are shown?"......they can no longer be shown if they are docked. But then how long will it be until ALL the country sports are banned anyway and the working gundog becomes obsolete!! :angry:

 

[kris]

what is also worrying is the small amount of some of the native breeds we have who are bordering on endangered status and this sort of thing can be the kiss of death.dont say im exaggerating.when ear cropping(which im totally against)was banned in this country many moons ago,the manchester terrier nearly fell into extinction cos folk didnt like them with drop ears.so they didnt breed/buy them. the breed ended up with onely a couple of dogs left and were in a dire state. i just would hate this to happen to our native breeds who struggle for recognition and only for a few dedicated breeders they would fade away.i was watching the crufts program last night and they were interviewing a guy from sweden about the docking ban over there and how it had affected breeds.he said that norwich fell to dangerous number and there was another breed he mentioned as getting dangerously low but i cant remember what it was.its allright for the larger more popular breeds but i do worry for our less popular native breeds that arent so glamorous and dont have a big following of supporters

 

[Mark Roberts]

my dad used to say that years ago they used to bite the tails off I thought he was having me on but the more experienced

yep used to now a few old lads that swore biting them off was the best way?.

 

[Joanna]

my dad used to say that years ago they used to bite the tails off I thought he was having me on but the more experienced

yep used to now a few old lads that swore biting them off was the best way?.

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Gross :x