The Psychology Of Paper Peeing...

[WhipItDevo]

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We've only been trying to paper train him for a day but there seems to be a definite pattern developing. The wrong way round.

Basically, when I'm sure he must need I take him to the paper where he whines and stares at me then sits down, no pee. When I let him walk off he straight away pees in the middle of the floor. I grab him mid pee and plonk him on the paper, no shouting or telling off. Sometimes he even does the same again, 2 incorrect pees in 30 seconds even though I spotted the need! I forced him to do it correctly earlier by gently blocking him in paper area for 10mins after he'd been whining on my lap. He got annoyed at first but then eventually he peed and I gave as much love as possible and we played games. Then he went straight back to other behaviour next time round! Depressing...

I can't decipher it: He seems to fear peeing on the paper, he has no inhibition about anywhere else - even right in front of his crate doorway, anywhere will do, it's not my presence as he'll do it in front of me anywhere else, and as I say, I never tell him off, just very quickly lift and plonk.

Ultimately, he's a baby, I'm not annoyed, just worry that an actively negative response has already formed - he appears to avoid the paper. I cover in kitchen towel in case texture was problem but same. He's done about 15 wees today too so a lot of clearing up!!

Sorry it's a bit of a boring and long winded query.

PS. Erroneous pee aside, he's a hilarious and beautiful addition to our family - we fell in love him about 2 minutes after collecting him!

 

[JAX]

Rather than getting him to wee on paper , why not put him outside after meals ,waking up and when he looks as though he wants a wee or whatever ? Stay outsdie with him esp if its dark , a dragg I know . iIts much easier that way , and dont forget to praise him when hes done it right , the thing NOT to do is shout at him when he gets it wrong , I know its hard. But training him to go outside now will pay dividens later on , cos you wouldnt want him to wee on your fav magazine should it be left on the floor by mistake would you

 

[twinkletoes dylan]

perhaps in his eyes - going on the paper excites the big creature who makes lots of noise and touches me a lot and i don't know if i like it yet :unsure: , could you paper your whole kitchen and when he goes happily, shrink the coverage :thumbsup:

 

[WhipItDevo]

Rather than getting him to wee on paper , why not put him outside after meals ,waking up and when he looks as though he wants a wee or whatever ? Stay outsdie with him esp if its dark , a dragg I know . iIts much easier that way , and dont forget to praise him when hes done it right , the thing NOT to do is shout at him when he gets it wrong , I know its hard. But training him to go outside now will pay dividens later on , cos you wouldnt want him to wee on your fav magazine should it be left on the floor by mistake would you

I can't wait to get on to outside toiletting - I live on the edge of a park, but I don't have a garden and this setup is just for 3 week while jabs kick in. I know 3 weeks isn't long, but he's peeing at quite a rate! I haven't shouted, I promise.

 

[Lal]

I saw your earlier posts, and know that living in a flat with no accessible garden means that some sort of 'paper' training is the only way for you until he is fully vaccinated. Peeing on paper (and I'm sorry to be a bit graphic here) makes a noise and can cause the pee to splash upwards. Maybe this is putting him off? Not sure what your other flooring is but a nice soft carpet is absorbent and it makes no noise when he pees. Perhaps try puppy pads as an alternative, even with newspaper underneath if you need a bigger area? Good luck :luck:

 

[Dr B]

Try the training pads. They have some kind of doggy-attractive scent in them. Ash was clean really quickly when I used them. It might be worth a try if the paper is not working.

 

[WhipItDevo]

I saw your earlier posts, and know that living in a flat with no accessible garden means that some sort of 'paper' training is the only way for you until he is fully vaccinated. Peeing on paper (and I'm sorry to be a bit graphic here) makes a noise and can cause the pee to splash upwards. Maybe this is putting him off? Not sure what your other flooring is but a nice soft carpet is absorbent and it makes no noise when he pees. Perhaps try puppy pads as an alternative, even with newspaper underneath if you need a bigger area? Good luck :luck:

It's an interesting possibility isn't it - I hadn't thought of it, but the floors he loves to use are wood so maybe not so different to paper.

A frustrating development now is that he sees me coming to pick him when he squats and runs off - if he knows he's going to be picked up and knows where he's going to be put (same every time) it's weird he can't see how to avoid the scare of a lurching grabbing monster of a man!! Unless he truly hates the paper more than being grabbed.

 

[WhipItDevo]

Try the training pads. They have some kind of doggy-attractive scent in them. Ash was clean really quickly when I used them. It might be worth a try if the paper is not working.

Thanks, I'll give them a go.

 

[T Hoare]

I would say forget the paper training & take him straight to the garden...it is much easier, as he will get the message much sooner than paper training.

Good luck

 

[Lal]

I would say forget the paper training & take him straight to the garden...it is much easier, as he will get the message much sooner than paper training.
Good luck

I agree, but the original post explained that they do not have access to a garden and as the pup is not yet fully vaccinated cannot use the park that they live next to. :thumbsup:

 

[pepa]

we use the training pads always have done with succsess.But we then have Patton he dose his wee's out side but dosnot like going out to poo :x but he uses the training pads to poo :x on all the time even ttho hes just come in so this one is along prossess for us

 

[TTT]

I'm sure he'll soon get the idea.......good job you have a sense of humour, pups eh! Three weeks will go in soon enough, try the training pads as well as newspaper. My pup used to be outside with me while I was pottering about in the garden, she would run back into the house to do her toilet, and then run back outside again to continue playing!!!

Another tip - everytime you see it doing it's toilet, put a word to it.....the one I use is 'WEE WEE' in a squeaky voice (w00t) , that way after a while, you can encourage your dog to toilet on command.

 

[WhipItDevo]

I'm sure he'll soon get the idea.......good job you have a sense of humour, pups eh! Three weeks will go in soon enough, try the training pads as well as newspaper. My pup used to be outside with me while I was pottering about in the garden, she would run back into the house to do her toilet, and then run back outside again to continue playing!!!
Another tip - everytime you see it doing it's toilet, put a word to it.....the one I use is 'WEE WEE' in a squeaky voice (w00t) , that way after a while, you can encourage your dog to toilet on command.

Glad I'm not the only owner to have achieved inverted results! He did a perfect textbook job earlier and our praise was obviously so over-the-top he's decided not to do it like that again.

Is it correct to interrupt him mid flow and whisk him over to the pad? Or should he be allowed to finish even though it's the wrong spot?

 

[Whippets Rule]

I'm sure he'll soon get the idea.......good job you have a sense of humour, pups eh! Three weeks will go in soon enough, try the training pads as well as newspaper. My pup used to be outside with me while I was pottering about in the garden, she would run back into the house to do her toilet, and then run back outside again to continue playing!!!
Another tip - everytime you see it doing it's toilet, put a word to it.....the one I use is 'WEE WEE' in a squeaky voice (w00t) , that way after a while, you can encourage your dog to toilet on command.

Glad I'm not the only owner to have achieved inverted results! He did a perfect textbook job earlier and our praise was obviously so over-the-top he's decided not to do it like that again.

Is it correct to interrupt him mid flow and whisk him over to the pad? Or should he be allowed to finish even though it's the wrong spot?

definitely interrupt him and move him to the right place..

 

[Suerose]

I'm sure he'll soon get the idea.......good job you have a sense of humour, pups eh! Three weeks will go in soon enough, try the training pads as well as newspaper. My pup used to be outside with me while I was pottering about in the garden, she would run back into the house to do her toilet, and then run back outside again to continue playing!!!
Another tip - everytime you see it doing it's toilet, put a word to it.....the one I use is 'WEE WEE' in a squeaky voice (w00t) , that way after a while, you can encourage your dog to toilet on command.

Or maybe something you won't feel stupid saying if anyone is watching!!!! (We use 'quickly').

 

[WhipItDevo]

We've opted for "Be Quick" - hardly had a chance to use it though! He's still nowhere near getting the idea of the pads/paper, looks fed up, tries to escape the situation, whines a bit, then lies down on them.

As soon as he's allowed to leave the pad he still pees on the floor, but because it gets interrupted mid-flow he's not empty so the whole cycle happens 3 times in a row with no correct behaviour to praise.

He can actually hold it in for a long time if forced to (car journey home proved this), so the "Battle of Wills" I tried to wage with him where he was only allowed to be either on my lap (never peed there) OR the on pad until he went for a wee was a drawn out exercise and didn't have any lasting impact on his idea of what constitutes "Perfect Toiletting".

Part of the problem may be the praise part - I haven't found a treat that he absolutely LOVES. Tried cheese, peanut butter, Eukanuba puppy treats (very hard, no!? Not keen - does that hilarious thing of holding a sad-eyes gaze while chewing dutifully because he knows you want him to, with dry crumbs spilling from the sides of his mouth, no joy there whatsoever...) The only thing he loves is his wet food, but there is NO WAY I'm carrying pocketfuls of that round the place - I'd rather wipe up wee. Dried liver perhaps?

Don't worry, I'm not expecting miracle advice - I think I'm just venting some mild frustration, better to type it than show it to Silas!

I'll just imagine a happy place, on a beach, on a tropical island, with a whippet (under a sun shade of course), with no bladder...

 

[eve]

Have you tried the puppy training pads yet?

They are supposed to be really good.

If you confine him to the area where you want him to toilet until he does, he will soon learn, even if it is for a few hours.

Puppies learn so fast.

Some pups do however take several weeks to get the hang of things properly.

Sounds like you will be wearing your 'Marigolds' for a few weeks :teehee:

 

[WhipItDevo]

Have you tried the puppy training pads yet?They are supposed to be really good.

If you confine him to the area where you want him to toilet until he does, he will soon learn, even if it is for a few hours.

Puppies learn so fast.

Some pups do however take several weeks to get the hang of things properly.

Sounds like you will be wearing your 'Marigolds' for a few weeks :teehee:

He's on pads, but as far as I can see they aren't treated with anything to encourage him to use the spot so I've left it with a bit of "residue" (wee) on it so he can hopefully smell that it's meant to be a toilet. When I confine him to the pad he seems to get really stressed out and whines a lot - should I just ignore it until he finally goes?

 

[Nicola]

I lived in a flat when I first got Fred whippet, and did the paper training thing too. It did work eventually, but it took ages for the penny to drop (excuse the pun)...a couple of weeks at least. Some whippets are brighter than other when it comes to toilet training.

I also found that newspaper is not particularly absorbent at first and you'll get leakages onto the carpet. In addition, when your dog gets the hang of running on and off the paper, they start to tread a dirty path from the paper into the carpet. I had to cover quite a large corner of the room in paper. I also found that he then got so used to going on paper, he wouldn't wee anywhere else at all, even out on walks, and would hold it for ages and then run over to the paper to relieve himself once back home. In fact he got so used to weeing indoors, it took years to break the overnight habit (he's not the brightest of whippets).

I know you have little choice but I just wanted to flag up some potential problems that you may need to rectify once you get Silas going out of doors. Good luck, I think you're doing the right things for the environment you're in..just don't expect quick results :unsure: :luck:

 

[JAX]

Didnt realise you were in a flat , I hope the puppy pads work for you :luck: well the puppy , not you personnally LOL