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my humble opinion on this subject is quite simple-we cannot read a dogs mind,so if ANY dog is off the lead it is NOT undercontrol,you try telling the police or a judge your dogs had no lead on and see if they agree your dogs are under control-i think not.

our dogs all come back as soon as they are called but are only ever let of the lead when we are at a freinds kennel as we firmly believe that any dog could potentially cause problems when of the lead.

lets say for instance you had your dogs running behind you as you walk/cycle along and some idiot sets of a firework nearby-your dog gets spooked takes off and runs out in front of a car/cyclist and causes an accident-how could you honestly say that you were in full control of your dogs.

we have had an experience when we were out a nice quiet walk with our 3 greyhounds last year -all of them on the lead,2 off them are very placid-some members on here will vouch for that as they have met them.

while we were walking we could see a guy coming towards us with 2 x breed dogs so we got our dogs on a short lead and shouted to the guy to get hold of his dogs until we got past as lucy does not like dogs coming near her and can be quite agressive-he decided to ignore us and one of his dogs came right upto lucys face and tarted growling so we told him to get hold of his dog again and he just looked at us and then kept walking,so i decided if he wasnt worried about a punch up between our dogs why should i?-so i let lucys lead go loose,i still had a hold of it,lucy then dived at the dog , grabbed it then chucked it in the air and it ran back to its owner who then started shouting at us that we should have had her under control!!!-he was lucky i didnt loose control :rant: .

he clearly believed his dogs were under control-he was wrong as are many other owners who let their dogs run loose in public-i fail to see how any dog that has no lead on can be under control-sorry if this opinion upsets anybody but its only my personal opinion.
 
I totally sympathise :( - I was out for a walk in the dark at 6.30am yesterday, and was walking with Zephyr on lead on a footpath which goes through the estate where I live. A very macho chocolate lab raced up, off-lead, tail straight in the air, hackles up, the biggest throatiest growl you've ever heard and started to muscle in on Zephyr :rant: :rant: .

I shouted to the woman to get hold of him, and said he should be on the lead if he is nasty with other dogs (and of course he should have been on the lead ANYWAY :rant: ) and she said 'Oh he isn't really nasty!! and I said everything about his body language tells me he is and would you PLEASE put him on a lead!!!!!! :eek:

To my amazement she did, but it was a really frightening few moments as I was desperately trying to get myself in between her massive growling dog and my very vulnerable chap with no coat on which at least would have given him some protection from bite wounds! :sweating: :wacko:

Sadly, there seem to be a lot of people out there who don't seem to recognize the aggression in their dogs. :( AND are prepared to put their dogs lives at risk by having them off lead near a road. :( :(
 
Yes i know what you are saying, i agree no dog can be totally under control if you have not got it on the other end of a lead... which leads to my other pet hate (as well as obese dogs!)-people who think it's clever to have their dogs off the lead on pavements near busy roads, or the end of a fully extended flexi lead. I used to live near a bloke who's XB was really well behaved and he would clip the lead on the dog but the dog would carry the handle itself and literally take itself for a walk, he got lots of attention from passers by, but i always wanted to say why not teach it to carry a first aid kit aswell when it gets spooked and hit by a passing car :eek:

Anyway i have a rule, if the owners have or put their dog on a lead when they see me coming it means they are either nervous of my type/group of dogs or usually their dog is nervous or nasty so i always put mine on leads just incase, but if they don't seem bothered and keep theirs off the lead i leave my dogs be to pass freely or call them in close to pass if the dogs look a bit suspect, i prefer mine to be able to run away and escape danger than be attacked whilst on a lead.

I must say owners with tiny breeds like Yorkies proper panick when they see my lot legging it around, incase mine think think they are rabbits! It's understandable as they often tell me of people they know who's dogs have been ripped apart from Greyhounds or Lurchers :( Hey walking is supposed to be good for stress, not recently it's not! :unsure:
 
from a legal standpoint you are of course correct in what you say mtotos.my friend had a weimaraner bitch who escaped off her lead (it broke)and despite the fact she was trained to recall she ran straight ahead into an oncoming car,and was killed. :( as if that wasnt bad enough the owner of the car then sued her for damages (and won)and it cost her a small fortune.luckily he was a dog lover and despite being told he could claim for his trauma as well as damages to his vehicle he only claimed for damages to his vehicle so i guess you could say she got off lightly :thumbsup: just be aware folks a dog is a dog and cant think of the consequenses of its behaviour.and you could end up with a large bill of court costs and damages to pay.i'd hate anyone here to have to go through this. :(
 
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I have had nerely the same Gina.

Zeb keeps being attacked by the same dog in the park its owner knows that it hates other dogs but this does not stop her letting it off the lead.

Today her mother (elderly) asked we said only if it attacks it goews back on the lead. It attacked Zeb and anther dog within 1 min of one anther.

She put it back on the lead only to move it 50 yard on and let it off again.(+shes a child minder) :rant:
 
As someone who is coping with a dog who was attacked over Christmas by a dog

running loose I have perhaps see this in a different light. If the law says all dogs should be on a lead then end of argument. To see my once happy-go-lucky chap cowering and dropping to the floor because a loose dog comes near him breaks my heart. I consider I have always been a responsible considerate person when out walking my dogs but now it's zero tolerance. It's made me Mrs Grumpy but I'm not bothered , to anyone who says "it's alright he's friendly" my response now is "well I'm not, so get your dog away from mine and put it on a lead now".

I'm struggling at times, I did nothing wrong, I just took my dog out for a walk on his lead.
 
We regulary see someone with a terrier if I have William and the woman is walking it the dog will try to attack him .It never bothers with the whippets or William while the man is walking it .

Another man with a yorkie scuttles as fast as he can to the other side of the grass as far from me as he can even though they re on their leads I told him they are friendly but all he says is RACING greyhounds have been known to kill small dogs. He waill not have that William is a show greyhound has never and will never see a race track or be encouraged to chase Ijust cross he road now if I see him saves any bother

Most people in our area know William and are happy to let their small dogs say hello to him but I think this man is new to the area and seems to tar allhounds with the same brush .Good job he's never seen them when we take them all to myfriends and run them all free together in a secure field near to her house.Last time we went there was 2 salukis 2 lurchers 3 whippets and a greyhound charging round the field and not a cross word of any one
 
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oakmoorehill said:
We regulary see someone with a terrier if I have William and the woman is walking it the dog will try to attack him .It never bothers with the whippets or William while the man is walking it .    Another man with a yorkie scuttles as fast as he can to the other side of the grass as far from me as  he can even though they re on their leads I told him they are friendly but all he says is RACING greyhounds have been known to kill small dogs. He waill not have that William is a show greyhound has never and will never see a race track or be encouraged to chase Ijust cross he road now if I see him saves any bother

besides, you wouldnt want william to choke on it, anyway :thumbsup: :p
 
lalena said:
oakmoorehill said:
We regulary see someone with a terrier if I have William and the woman is walking it the dog will try to attack him .It never bothers with the whippets or William while the man is walking it .    Another man with a yorkie scuttles as fast as he can to the other side of the grass as far from me as  he can even though they re on their leads I told him they are friendly but all he says is RACING greyhounds have been known to kill small dogs. He waill not have that William is a show greyhound has never and will never see a race track or be encouraged to chase Ijust cross he road now if I see him saves any bother

besides, you wouldnt want william to choke on it, anyway :thumbsup: :p

true he'd coke on such a tiny little hair ball :oops:
 
kris said:
.as someone once said to me shibas are like a 2 year old on crack cocaine! (w00t)
Sounds like the Akita Inus as well!

I have had Josh floored by 5 Goldies whose owner told be to ****off when I told her to control her dogs.

I have also had him attaked my a mini Daxie and JR, luckily he had his coat on and it was that that got torn.The owner was chatting to her friend and didn't care.
 
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wheni have Flo on the lead, we always get big dogs running up to her and cowering over her- Flo

hasnt had the best socialisation- (bad upbringing) and so it really scares her to have these big dogs looming at her, i explain that she hasnt been properly socialised and doesnt like to be jumped on, she will say hello if your dog gives her a bit of space- but they just think im strange and that my dog isnt friendly.

im glad that ive met a lovely lady with a VERY large goldie- called oscar- he's a gentleman and lets Flo decide how close they can come- and then they play nicely and he gets covered in kisses :huggles:

people just need to be aware of how their dogs behave towards others and communicate to each other, we all want our dogs to have fun safely, but there are people that just dont care!!
 
quintessence said:
As someone who is coping with a dog who was attacked over Christmas by a dogrunning loose I have perhaps see this in a different light.  If the law says all dogs should be on a lead then end of argument.  To see my once happy-go-lucky chap cowering and dropping to the floor because a loose dog comes near him breaks my heart. I consider I have always been a responsible considerate person when out walking my dogs but now it's zero tolerance.  It's made me Mrs Grumpy but I'm not bothered , to anyone who says "it's alright he's friendly" my response now is "well I'm not, so get your dog away from mine and put it on a lead now".

I'm struggling at times, I did nothing wrong, I  just took my dog out for a walk on his lead.

jenny im so sorry for your poor boy,i think it will take some time for him to get over what happened to him, :( after reading your post i really feel for you.i dont blame you one bit for being grumpy when people come near you with their dogs off the lead,id be the same.i did have a few weeks where every time i seemed to go out with my lot i was always meeting idiots with aggresssive dogs off the lead.i got that way that i didnt enjoy my walks any more.i dreaded them as i was waiting for something to happen each time i went out.it isnt nice. :( hope he gets over it soon and becomes more like his usual happy self :thumbsup:
 
I think perhaps the only thing to do with "repeat offenders" that you keep meeting whose dogs are off-lead and not controlled by their owners, is report them to the dog warden. again and again if necessary.

I was out with 2 friends yesterday, I had my 2 whippets with me, one friend had a German shepherd puppy, and the other friend had her rescue Border terrier bitch. the border terrier is not good with other dogs but my friend is very conscientious with her, attends a good training class (which the other girl and I go to), doesn't let her dog off when/where not appropriate, keeps its attention, etc etc.

So yesterday we were walking our dogs through the local park, dogs were all on-lead, as there are signs all over the place saying "keep dogs on-lead". however, there's always one, isn't there, and there was an old lady with a Westie off lead, quite a distance away, she feebly called it but without much conviction, and sure enough her dog ignored her. It wandered up to my friend with the GS pup, who is friendly, and luckily all went well. This gave my friend with the border terrier, time to get a good distance away, all the while calmly chatting to her dog, and I carried on walking with her.

It could have gone awfully wrong tho ... when my friend with the GS caught up with us, the woman still couldn't get her Westie back. it tried to follow us but then got distracted by some squirrels.

My other pet hates are people walking dogs on extending leads, who don't "reel their dogs in" next to roads, or when walking through crowds (this happened in town to us last week, someone's dog tried to get to my 2, through a forest of people's legs! how no one got tripped up, I don't know!), and people who think it is "cute" or clever, to walk their dog off-lead, but with the dog carrying the lead in its mouth.

I think I'll try to remember to say what someone on here said (sorry, can't remember who it was) about shouldn't the dog carry its own first aid kit for when a car accident happens.

Honestly! :blink: the mind boggles.

Gill
 

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