Uk law regards to defending your dog **Distressing Content**

[hanneroon]

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i imagine there is no specific law, it would just be about being reasonable. I don't think hitting a rottweiler would help the situation to be honest. Maybe it would be best to think what you would do if it were your dog with another animal in its gob, would you kick your own dog??? I think not. My dog has been attacked a few times, hitting the other dog or kicking it was not really appropriate in my opinion. I reckon as the human it is up to you to be the calm one, not join in the aggression. My bosses old dog, an old lab cross who i loved, used to go for dude, every so often. She had him pinned a few times. I shouted at her and dragged her off. If she had not let go, maybe i would have slapped her backside, to shock her, but i would no more have hit her than i would anyone.

Once dude got attacked by a greyhound while he was on a lead (bit of a surprise). It got him round the neck. I grabbed it and held it steady till it let go, not being able to let go of dude, there was astruggle and it got him again by the ribs, before its owner could get to us. Should i have kicked it?? Where do you kick a greyhound?

I think its pretty bad to attack a dog back as your first line of defence, and i also don't think it would neccessarily work, especially on a bull breed, unless you are intending to do it some serious damage.. I was under the impression you should grab the dog from behind by the collar or scruff , and apply some extreme pressure to the top of its head. I think if this fails maybe you can escalate things, but honestly kicking a dog, cos you are angry at the situation is just wrong, in my opinion.

My friend has a rough coated jack russell, he got into a fight with a staffy in the stable yard she goes to. Staffy on top.. Everyone in the yard, ran over and kicked the staffy, he even got clonked with a bin lid. The fight didn't stop till someone took charge and grabbed the him, and the jack russell fell off. Now it turns out the jack russell was completely unscratched, and the staffy was missing part of an eyelid and completely ripped to shreds on his chest and neck, and he got kicked around for what? Its a pretty good job there wasn't someone there who was prepared to kick a staffy so hard it stops fighting eh? My friend felt awful obviously, her dog is a nasty little thing to be honest, and she regrets not taking a second to judge the situation. My point here is with a fighting dog, they aren't going to stop cos you've kicked them, staffy's and pits are bred to fight bulls for god sake! Unless you are intending to hurt a dog badly, you better think of another way to sort out the situation.

 

[lurcherman]

one thing for sure if it does happen and the attacking dog is a big one then you have to ack quick. one thing i will agree with what derek said is you can be hurt yourself but heyho.

 

[lurcherman]

good post hanneroon. but this is thepoint im not preparedto let my whipx get ripped so i am ready to do some damage and i say it sgain to a dog thats off lead and mine on. your point are valid bout staffs and pits. if it was a pit then hard as it will be in the end if i ended up killing it then that would be a ban dog dead. ive had a staffie cum full pelt at my dog and my knee went up his jaw followed by grabbing and swisting the collar. no owner in site. 4mins later he arrives saying sorry

i think thats why its a good thread it be good to know the true law. im not a violent person at all very far from it but im a protecter of the innocent.

also on using pepper spray on bull breeds ive heard they just squeeze harder.

 

[banana]

I actually have just remembered a dog fight incident I had in my home - I hadn't really thought about it as I was thinking when I was out and about.

I saw an advert in the local PAH for an old Goldie whose owner was going to live abroad and he needed a home to spend the rest of his days in.. I felt quite sorry for him so I arranged for him to come around - Blaize was about a year old.

It wasn't until after I agreed to have him, his owner told me as he dropped him off that he had never 'really' lived in the house as his wife hadn't liked his paws on the furniture and he had insulated a shed for him and he had the run of the garden, however they had another dog, a collie who WAS allowed in the house and I believe they were taking him with them abroad.

I couldn't possibly have left him in the garden so I brought him into my home.

He was very laid back until one day 2/3 weeks after we got him and I was in the kitchen with the kids and dogs - my youngest son was 3 at the time and all of a sudden he turned on Blaize, really going for her, I was screaming at him to get off her and tried to get hold of him as she was in the corner with no where to go and he just kept going at her - I tried to grab a kitchen chair to get it in the middle of them but couldn't and ended up hitting him with it - not really really hard but enough for him to stop. He came away and I opened the door for her to go through to the house and then grabbed his collar and put him in the garden.

Now I am not proud of it and it does haunt me somewhat and after what happened I rang Goldie Rescue and we found him a home without children and other dogs.

It was one of the most awful and scariest things to be apart of and not know what to do...

 

[Oreo]

Thanks for your honesty with that Anna.

I don't see what else you could have done differently.

If I am approached by an off lead dog I will shout out to the owner to give them a chance to control there dog. Nine times out of ten they're ok and we have a chat or walk on. The odd times they haven't I would shout again and add the words 'If the dog comes anywhere near and upsets my dog I won't be responsible for my actions'. I have never had to go any further than that.

I've had a few chavs with staffies try it on, and get all abusive but on the whole the general dog walkers are quite reasonable.

I am not a fan of confrontation, in fact I do anything to avoid it. However when it comes to my family or pets, that comes second to protecting them.

I'm not a big lad at all and probably wouldn't last too long in a fight, but when my back is up I will stand my ground.

Probably wrong but I've survived so far I guess! Maybe I'm just lucky? lol

 

[Oreo]

Oh dear, I'm still shaking. I am so scared.

Sods law that I was talking about it and it happens to me today.

I was walking Oreo on our village green in the snow.

A dog comes belting over to us and starts to sniff Oreo. Oreo sniffs back and rolls on her back. This other dog sniffs some more and starts to growl and show its teeth.

I shout over to the owner and ask him to put his dog on a lead at which point he tells me to go away (but no so politely).

I said that if he doesn't remove his dog I won't be responsible for my actions.

He then said why is your dog aggressive? Which got me more upset.

I said she is not aggressive but scared and she didn't once growl, bark or bite.

I told him I would report him to the local authorities and he laughed and walked off.

I couldn't get a photo of him but the dog was male, golden and boxer type.

I am still shaking.

I have reported it but I don't think anything will come of it.

So so upset, Oreo is acting odd because she is worried but also can probably sence me too.

Think I'm going for a lie down! Lol

 

[Blue wrecking it]

A monkeys fist to the jaw of any dog needing it..... and a 12mm steel ball bearing going at 300ft per second to the arse...courtesy of my hunting catapult will send it on its way...

Always carry a defense tool. Monkeys fists are ideal for dogs.

 

[banana]

Although - Dog Forum does not recommend that anyone carry a weapon on a dog walk!!

 

[lurcherman]

we understand that banana, now that cadac has posted that this is wot i was going to post saturday but because i was a bit vocal on this thread i didnt, but saturday came off the computer at about 11.20 am and took dog out and put lottery on, came out shop and was walking around the corner and met a woman, coudnt see a dog but she said stay, stay ,stay then a bloody off lead collie came flying towards us now before this thread it was the boot in the dogs chops but i stood in its way and hard stamp on ground, still snarling it did in the end back off, but up ere its like that so i can see why peeps have something to protect there dogs and themselves.. like you say cadac sods law lol

 

[TTT]

Whilst walking, i carry a walking stick......handy.......

 

[hanneroon]

hey there lurcherman, thats brilliant. Imagine if you had kicked it in the chops, and broken its jaw?? Your dog would still have been unharmed... Would've been hard to justify. The way you did it worked, yippee!

 

[lurcherman]

hanneroon i dont enjoy hurting anydog so glad it worked but in future cant say id do that again it depends on what dog and how close, with the snarling collie i had 3 secs to act plus some collies are a bit nippy, hey it worked this time but i do stress its my main aim to keep my dogs safe.. sometimes to have to act quick, why should i get my dog stitched from no fault of my own, anyways im moving on from this thread lol..

 

[Blue wrecking it]

My mate has just had a 700 quid vets bill when a collie nipped his dog when it was running past....a nip and a dog running fast= a 9 inch tear up the dogs side.

Now.... maybe not carry an offensive weapon...but you should bd able to defend yourself and your dog.....or it will end up like this...

 

[lurcherman]

this is what i dread, and up ere i do wish that people would put there dogs on leads more often, some owners need a bolt themselves..

 

[leethomas1988]

my dog was almost attacked today because the owner wasnt holding the lead properly luckily they were other people to help me

 

[Dizzyjenni]

Dog attacks really do scare me My mums poodle was attacked by an alsation off the lead (some years ago) and to this day it haunts her. She will cross the road if she sees a big dog.

Anna - I remember when that happened You were heartbroken. But you had no choice at all.

 

[lurcherman]

dizzy thats what ive been doing for yrs cross the road and try and take you away from a situation if possible.

 

[Oreo]

Difficult if said dog is running towards you like the one was in my situation.

It shouldn't be up to the dog owner who is controlling their dog it should be up to the dog owner who is letting there dog run off lead.

 

[lurcherman]

true but dogs attack on leads too

 

[Rog-n-Steph]

When my german sheppy was fifteen months old he was attacked by two jack russels that were off lead,Poor monty did not know what to do as he was on lead and had never encountered such aggession.I did kick the things off him and had words with owner that only fell on deaf ears.Had real problems socialising him after that.

If my dog is on lead and gets attacked by another that is off lead then sorry but I will do what ever it takes to protect "him" as "he" would do the same for me if some one attacked me.

I dont know where the law stands on this but I should imagine that the person who`se dog was on lead has the law on their side as their dog would be classed as in control