No, it is NOT a fault. The Whippet Breed Standard saysSeraphina said:
"in whites or particolour a butterfly nose is permissible"
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Yes, but not particularly desirable,dessie said:
The OP said they could not show their dog because it did not have a butterfly nose.
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shouldn't a good judge be able to see around the illusions caused by markings?Seraphina said:
try to find out whether your whippet has any other faults which would make it a bad idea to show her; if there are no serious faults I should think it's fine to show her if you want to
quick question, if a pedigree whippet does not have rosebud ears and can't be shown, is that because the ears are not soft enough to fold naturally, or have an adequate crease to allow the ear to fold and could a 'foxy'eared bitch give birth to offspring with rosebud ears ?
not about to breed or show, just curious :thumbsup:
not about to breed or show, just curious :thumbsup:
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Just because a whippet hasnt got the correct rose bud ears dosnt mean it canrt be shown , :blink: as much as some dogs are straight in the shoulder when they shoud have a 90degree angle are still shown or upright in pastern etc etc .
Lack of a rose bud ear is not a disqualificaion , :cheers: anymore than upright shoulders , :wacko:
Most whippets keep their ears down in the ring in the UK . Its mainly overseas exhibitors who have their dogs ears `up` and `showing ` :- "
I remember many years ago showing my old `Simon` who had perfect ears and I baited him in the ring to show what super ears he had , plus the judge was a `collie man` . who usually like `alertness , Any how , I got RBIS and he came over and said , that if his ears had been down he would have won BIS (w00t)
and could a 'foxy'eared bitch give birth to offspring with rosebud ears ?
not about to breed or show, just curious
I hope so , cos Ive had a rosebud eared bitch give birth to bat eared whippets (w00t) , that Im hoping to rectify one day
Lack of a rose bud ear is not a disqualificaion , :cheers: anymore than upright shoulders , :wacko:
Most whippets keep their ears down in the ring in the UK . Its mainly overseas exhibitors who have their dogs ears `up` and `showing ` :- "
I remember many years ago showing my old `Simon` who had perfect ears and I baited him in the ring to show what super ears he had , plus the judge was a `collie man` . who usually like `alertness , Any how , I got RBIS and he came over and said , that if his ears had been down he would have won BIS (w00t)
and could a 'foxy'eared bitch give birth to offspring with rosebud ears ?
not about to breed or show, just curious
I hope so , cos Ive had a rosebud eared bitch give birth to bat eared whippets (w00t) , that Im hoping to rectify
one day
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Yes, but if you have a class of dozen pretty nice dogs, all brindle particoloured, I am sure it is easier to pick those that look right without you having to think, "OK his back looks dipped, but that is only an optical illusion".Macha said:
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Seraphina said:Yes, but not particularly desirable,dessie said:
Come, come now Lida. Where does it say permissible but not desirable??? In your own mind I feel. The same as a lot of people find darker eyes (as an example) more aesthetically pleasing.
As Jax says, there is nothing stopping anyone showing their dog over here, however good, bad or indifferent that dog may be. We do not have disqualifying faults and it is down to the judge's opinion and preferences as to how they place the dogs on the day. No dog would be asked to leave the ring whether it had or didn't have a butterfly nose, markings over only eye or anything else. Knowing Leigh Morris I suspect she did not say the puppy COULD NOT be shown but more along the lines that she did not like the markings and therefore WOULD NOT show her. Subtle difference.
Personally, I can't EVER think that I have had those sort of thoughts (about markings) when judging, because you know how a dog is constructed from having gone over it with your hands and watching it move! I have wondered about toplines that I don't like and often it is because the dog is tense and once they move and relax you can see whether the topline is correct or not and judge it accordingly. Colour and markings do not come into the scenario when I am judging.Seraphina said:Yes, but if you have a class of dozen pretty nice dogs, all brindle particoloured, I am sure it is easier to pick those that look right without you having to think, "OK his back looks dipped, but that is only an optical illusion".Macha said:
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What a beautiful whippet!!!!! Do you have his pedigree??gutsey said:
If someone would have put this dog down at a show beacuse of a butterfly nose that would have been silly......
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:b I think you are partially right, on blue and black Danes minimum white (small mark on chest and tip of toes) is permissible, but the goal was not to have one single white hair. In my mind something that is described as "permissible" is something you would prefer not to have, but tolerate.dessie said:
But butterfly nose is lack of pigment, isn't good pigment more desirable? If not for other reason then just that it gets sunburned.
I should have chosen my words more carefully, but i did not say it is a "disqualifying fault". I was surprised that the breeder would say that dog could not be shown, as in the photos he looks nice and anyway he does not seem to have butterfly nose.
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