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[kirislin]

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So does that mean that if they were aware of the dogs ancestors being from the US, no matter how far back it couldn't race in the UK? Seems odd, but thanks for taking the time to explain it to me.

Linda

 

[Strike Whippets]

So does that mean that if they were aware of the dogs ancestors being from the US, no matter how far back it couldn't race in the UK? Seems odd, but thanks for taking the time to explain it to me.
Linda

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Don't even have to be USA import's ....The same applies to dog's from the continent aswell ........If there is anything slightly non ped ....even generations back in a pedigree it's a no .......It's going to be interesting as the show dogs are allowed to be KC reg, so how long befor a show dog want's a passport ??

 

[kirislin]

So does that mean that racing pedigrees are 'more pedigree' than pedigree pedigree's???? :blink: Huh??

Could you show a racing whippet if you wanted ( I realise you may not be all that successful) but not race a show whippet?

Linda

 

[malin]

So does that mean that racing pedigrees are 'more pedigree' than pedigree pedigree's???? :blink:   Huh??

That is the way it seems. If it is known that there is 1 non-ped... say 50 generations :- " back = that dog will not get a WCRA passport.

Could you show a racing whippet if you wanted ( I realise you may not be all that successful) but not race a show whippet?

Yes. If e.g. the above mentioned theoretical dog was the breed CC record holder it would still not be eligible for a passport (and neither would any dogs coming down from it till the end of time).

 

[Strike Whippets]

So does that mean that racing pedigrees are 'more pedigree' than pedigree pedigree's????

In most cases yes .........We're not allowed any continental (sp) .....or that should read we're not allowed any that I could find :- " ......due to the lines that were found seemed to go back to an odd non ped or so :blink:

Could you show a racing whippet if you wanted ( I realise you may not be all that successful) but not race a show whippet?

Yes as long as it's Kennel club registerd ......I could even show say one of Tony's over here as the Whippet club and Kennel club accept AKC reg dog's, but the WCRA would STILL refuse to passport it for racng .......

 

[kirislin]

Gee the WCRA must be able to access pedigrees back to the year dot. They were all non peds not all that long ago. Isn't it less than 100 years?

Does that mean the racing gene pool is becoming limited because of this practice?

Sorry I'm asking alot of questions but I'm really surprised about this. I had no idea this was the case.

Linda

 

[Strike Whippets]

Yes our gene pool is becoming very limited .....That's why I wanted to import new blood, but quite frankly I may aswell hit my head against a brick wall :wacko: .....Alot are very narrow minded :- " .....And yes ALL Whippets did start from ummmm "mixed" parentage

 

[tlewis]

Could you show a racing whippet if you wanted ( I realise you may not be all that successful) but not race a show whippet?

Linda

There a few breeders in the USA who have raced what they show and show what they race and have done so successfully against top competition both in the ring and on the track. In the ring they of course, pick judges that like functional hounds.

I think the people who are attempting to do both is growing although I think it's often an uphill battle!

I should add that all the dogs that do both would be unacceptable to the WCRA even though some are US and Canadian show champions and would also be eligable to enter any KC show in the UK. (Or anywhere else in the World for that matter!)

Not all of the dogs ineligible to the WCRA have any non peds in their background. Some that are unacceptable were unacceptable to the CWA and therfore to the WCRA for "Political" reasons.

Take a look at the link below. Gives a better historical perspective and information than I ever could.

http://www.doginfomat.com/botm_may02.htm

 

[tlewis]

So does that mean that if they were aware of the dogs ancestors being from the US, no matter how far back it couldn't race in the UK? Seems odd, but thanks for taking the time to explain it to me.

Linda

I should add in all fairness that there are lots of US Whippets that would be acceptable to the WCRA. The problem is that they are all from show lines and slower than molasses. The dogs that would be worthwhile importing are the ones that wouldn't get passports.

 

[Strike Whippets]

I should add in all fairness that there are lots of US Whippets that would be acceptable to the WCRA. The problem is that they are all from show lines and slower than molasses. The dogs that would be worthwhile importing are the ones that wouldn't get passports.

Well you know what it's like.......Some of us have given up worrying about "what's exceptable" ......Life's tooo sort trying to please certain organisation's :- " ......I would dearly love to see new blood in my racer's ......Esspecially if they're black Tony lol

 

[kirislin]

I suppose it there were dishonest people out there they could always sneak in a new dog & fudge it's ancestory. :- " Until they start DNA testing.

It seems to me, an outsider that the WCRA are 'cutting off their nose to spite their face'. My Mum used to use that saying all the time.

Linda

 

[Strike Whippets]

LOL .....I expect that's been done over the year's ........but DNA testing is widely available in this day and age now ........

As for the WCRA .....Well yes they are ......I wish that i'd just imported on the quiet, and told people it was my show dog, as I think if I hadn't been so honest about an import, there may have been away to slip through :- " .......Goes to show honesty dosn't always pay :blink: ........

 

[IanGerman]

I once did a family tree using my first showbred whippet as the starting point and got right back to the much vaunted Ch Zuber of 1898 vintage!

Of course that bloodline is well polluted with racing stock now :clown:

 

[Strike Whippets]

I once did a family tree using my first showbred whippet as the starting point and got right back to the much vaunted Ch Zuber of 1898 vintage!
Of course that bloodline is well polluted with racing stock now    :clown:  

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I got told that all Whippets go back to Ch Zuber, but I could be wrong though ........I normally am :lol: , ......Take this importing issue, .....I'm positive I was told by the WCRA that the pedigree's I submitted to them were unexceptable with the CWA in America, (who was the association that the WCRA got advice from about the dog's in the pedigree's).......So because of this (oh and the fact Tony Lewis's owned/bred dog's in there, and he's banned by the CWA) ......oh and the fact that the WCRA uphold's other associations ban's, (but bear in mind Tony owned Melborn Redcent who is behind WCRCh Hammeron :- " )........ these pedigree's were declined ..........Now it turn's out that the CWA told the WCRA these pedigree's were acceptable :blink: ......See I said I'm getting old and confused now :wacko: ...........It's going to be entertaining though as these show dog's (with unacceptable (WCRA) pedigree's ) filter through our little racing club's (there are already some running at club level now and as it's sooo easy to import, there will be loads more )........What happen's when the owner want's to passport their Kennel Club reg show bred so it can compete in the special racing classes ??? .....Oh what fun ......I'm not worried if I'm disallowed to properly race my import, .....but I'm glad I'm not as short sighted as some

 

[IanGerman]

Send me your pedigree and I'll complete the timeline for you if I can

 

[Strike Whippets]

So who are you going to mate then Tony ?.......and when ? ........Just planning ahead :- "

 

[tlewis]

So who are you going to mate then Tony ?.......and when ? ........Just planning ahead  :- "

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How about one of these? Born yesterday evening.

There IS one very small BLACK male!!!

Five pups. Four black one brindle.

I actually bred them for coursing. Live stuff that is!!

Sire, is my favorite coursing dog Lyth Dundee (aka Croc) and the dam is a as yet an untried Weabe Dressed in Black (aka Brummy). Her dam was an outstanding race bitch.

I'll post a pedigree and then the WCRA are sure to accept them!!!

 

[tlewis]

I'll post a pedigree and then the WCRA are sure to accept them!!!

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Breeders_Assistant_HTML_Pedigree.htm

Breeders_Assistant_HTML_Pedigree.htm

 

[Strike Whippets]

They look a lovely litter Tony .......As for their pedigree and the WCRA (w00t) .....I spotted some Lyth in there :- " ......but if you want i'll submit the pedigree

 

[tlewis]

They look a lovely litter Tony .......As for their pedigree and the WCRA  (w00t) .....I spotted some Lyth in there  :- " ......but if you want i'll submit the pedigree 

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They are looking better. A bit skinny at birth , but Mum is doing them well now.

As for the WCRA it doesn't matter much to me. I might just ship one over to the UK and see if it can hold it's own at lure coursing and perhaps some pedigree racing outside of the WCRA and who knows, even some showing. I think there are some clubs where it could have a go.

BTW. The only US Ped. Whippet racing organization that the WCRA recognizes, the CWA, has now ceased to exist on the entire West Coast of the USA. Couldn't get enough entries to hold a race meet this year. Meanwhile the other Pedigree organizations grow from strength to strength.

Makes the WCRA acceptance of only that organization look pretty silly IMO.

It's now accepted over here that CWA is all but finished.