Vomiting Bile

[Caravan Monster]

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My saluki x goes through phases of eating grass and bringing up yellow stuff daily. I feed a mix of bagged food, raw bones/ chicken carcass, lightly boiled veg. General health is ok and wormed up to date. My mate's beardie 2nd x does the same thing. He feeds a higher percentage B.A.R.F. Both dogs live on farms, so eat an additional amount of unpleasantness that they find. Other dogs on same diet does not get this problem.

As you might expect, the vet suggested that I need to feed the v. expensive stuff that they just happen to sell.

Anyone know anything about this?

 

[baby1]

My saluki x goes through phases of eating grass and bringing up yellow stuff daily. I feed a mix of bagged food, raw bones/ chicken carcass, lightly boiled veg. General health is ok and wormed up to date. My mate's beardie 2nd x does the same thing. He feeds a higher percentage B.A.R.F. Both dogs live on farms, so eat an additional amount of unpleasantness that they find. Other dogs on same diet does not get this problem.As you might expect, the vet suggested that I need to feed the v. expensive stuff that they just happen to sell.

Anyone know anything about this?

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Hi ya :thumbsup:

Listen im not expert by any stretch of the imagination, however; my partner Frankie could tell you more I am nearly sure that its something in the grass thats harmful.

Im not sure probably making an ass of myself, but ill ask him and get back to you

Nichola o

 

[wild whippies]

All dogs do it! Loads of people have speculated why and there's loads of theories but I've got to say the vet's suggestion is a new one to me and I'd be willing to bet money that your dog will still keep eating grass no matter what dog food you feed it.

I like the theory on this site that says it's a means for dogs to vomit.

http://www.petlibrary.co.uk/dog-care/why-d....html?Itemid=33

 

[milly]

Try a bit of veg oil in the food everyday :thumbsup:

 

[kris]

its nothing unusual its very common.i think they do it in order to cleanse the stomach of whatever it is thats making them feel queasy.mine usually go for skutch grass,it works every time :thumbsup:

 

[Caravan Monster]

Thanks for the replies. I read the article which reckoned dogs eat grass either because they like it even though it causes them to vomit, or, they just want to make themselves vomit. I suppose we'll never know the answer unless they learn to talk. I always thought that the dog did this to relieve discomfort because of the urgency with which she seeks out the 'right' sort of grass. If there is discomfort, what causes it? My other dog eats plenty of goose grass - the stuff with sticky balls on it - but never brings it up.

It is wrong of me to criticise the vet, as they have done good surgical work at reasonable prices. Must be lucky on this front, judging by some of the posts on K9.

 

[wild whippies]

Looking at the article though it does say you can buy food with more roughage but they're more expensive so it does seem to back your vets suggestion. The reason I don't think it would make any difference though is because mine do get greens everyday and it doesn't deter them one bit. They don't vomit it back up much mind so it's never really been an issue to me although they've had issues when a bits been sticking out the other end!

Might be worth trying the oil Milly suggested, I know my BF gives his oil and says they should have it occasionally.

 

[Caravan Monster]

Ah yes! ' a bit hanging out the other end' Always gets wiped off on the car seat or furniture doesn' t it :rant: I will try the veg oil, but it is about time to look at her diet and regime overall because she seems to be sleeping more and getting tired a bit quicker these days. As I understand it, as time goes on, feed has to be less and more often. Any ideas on this?

 

[Evie]

If it's info on raw feeding you are after you cold try this site;

www.ukrmb.co.uk

Or these groups;

BritBarf

rawfeeding

Hope these are of some help. 8)

 

[Caravan Monster]

Excellent links- well worth a read. A bit off topic, but what experience have people had of feeding raw rabbit longterm? Obviously, farmed animals are wormed so that they convert food more effectively and I've certainly never experienced problems feeding raw beef, lamb, chicken et c., but, in practice, does raw game cause serious worm problems? I certainly would not feed rabbit with those tapeworm cysts you sometimes find when skinning. One of the above linked sites has an article which is against worming.

 

[Evie]

Excellent links- well worth a read. A bit off topic, but what experience have people had of feeding raw rabbit longterm? Obviously, farmed animals are wormed so that they convert food more effectively and I've certainly never experienced problems feeding raw beef, lamb, chicken et c., but, in practice, does raw game cause serious worm problems? I certainly would not feed rabbit with those tapeworm cysts you sometimes find when skinning. One of the above linked sites has an article which is against worming.

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I've no experiance feeding rabbit, but I'm sure loads of others on here do.

I'm only new to raw feeding and would love to find a good source of cheap rabbit!

 

[morganna]

My saluki x goes through phases of eating grass and bringing up yellow stuff daily. I feed a mix of bagged food, raw bones/ chicken carcass, lightly boiled veg. General health is ok and wormed up to date. My mate's beardie 2nd x does the same thing. He feeds a higher percentage B.A.R.F. Both dogs live on farms, so eat an additional amount of unpleasantness that they find. Other dogs on same diet does not get this problem.As you might expect, the vet suggested that I need to feed the v. expensive stuff that they just happen to sell.

Anyone know anything about this?

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my first cross deerhound/greyhound has allways done this, as has my greyhound/saluki.It does not hurt them at all as long as the grass eaten has not been sprayed with anything which is sometimes the case when working agricultural land however I am sure that if you are an experienced lurcher owner you read the signs of this occurence as most of us do and move on to cleaner pasture. I feed complete food but have tried many forms of feeding since the sixties when I began

keeping hounds of varying types.I would recommend Dorwest Herbs Garlic and Fenugreek-excellent for minor ailments,Mixed Veg Tablets and Easy Green and Keepers Mix all wonderful for cleansing and conditioning.Not only ,that this company are excellent for advice on a whole range of subjects pertaining to k9's and oneof the owners -Roly- is of course a lurcher man" par excellence "so it's nice to have someone who is on our side.

Hope this helps

 

[Caravan Monster]

That' s a good point about being wary of sprays on agricultural land. A farmer friend explained how both arable and grazing land can have dangerous chemicals applied, although I got the impression that autumn/ winter time is largely safe. If doing things by the book, they are not allowed to spray within a certain distance of rights of way, so you are safer sticking to the footpaths. Of course, if you have permission to be on the land, then you can ask the farmer when the land will be sprayed.

I spoke to the good folk at Dorwest Herbs a few years back about phantom pregnancies and they advised that I did not need to use their products in that instance, which spoke volumes about their honesty as I would have bought anything because I was concerned for the wellbeing of my dog.

 

[gutsey]

caravan monster, i wouldn`t worry too much about eating grass,my old bitch would stand and graze it like a cow,sometimes she would puke mostly it was just something dogs do,she did it from eight weeks until she passed aged seventeen.i would be concerned about eating from farmland/also drinking as a dog of mine drank from water in the tractor furrows,next morning he was dead,vet did tests,died from sprays that farmer had used.

 

[Caravan Monster]

Thanks for that reply gutsey. I knew of the potential for agricultural sprays to cause death, but had never heard of an actual instance before. To be honest, I suspected that farmers, quite understandably, put out scare stories to try and keep dog walkers from regarding their land as a sort of local park. Along the same lines, I was not amused to find out that my neighbour had managed to get hold of some aluminium phosphide (no he isn't trained) and had been putting it down next to my veg garden because he couldn' t be bothered to use mole traps (and it didn' t get rid of the moles either). I thought people were supposed to be environmentally aware these days- I know chemicals are an important tool, but they must be used correctly. A bit paranoid, but it makes me think about if dangerous chemicals could find their way back up the food chain to us and our dogs via eating rabbit and hare.

 

[juckler]

Eating grass is quite normal however if they are vomitting bile each time they eat it then its probably down to fitness. A hard working dog hasnt got any phlegm or bile to bring up best way to get round this without exercise is adding veggies to the feed especially mashed potato.

 

[Caravan Monster]

I think you are right about this: don' t remember her vomiting bile when she was younger and did a lot more. I thought potato was a no- no in dog food but can' t remember why.

 

[Evie]

I think you are right about this:  don' t remember her vomiting bile when she was younger and did a lot more. I thought potato was a no- no in dog food but can' t remember why.

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Raw potato is poisionous, but cooked should be fine.

Some say that veg that belongs to the nightshade family, such as potato and tomato, can aggrivate conditions such as arthritis. My guess is unless your dog has a condition such as this, it should be fine on some cooked potato.

 

[Evie]

I don't know if this is related to your dog vomit problem, but thought I'd share incase it might be a similar problem.

I used to feed Willow at regular times. Nearly every weekend she would puke in the mornings before I'd be up and have them fed (later than weekday mornings).

I was told it was because she was anticipating the meal at the usual time and her stomach was producing juices in prep for the expected food. Cos the food wasn't arriving at the right time, she was puking up the excess juices in her stomach cos they were upsetting her tummy.

One way to get round this is to feed a small amount late at night or early in the morning. Or (as I did) you can start feeding at irregular times, so the stomach doesn't anticipate food and build up acid juices that cause the vomit. I've had no problem since with her vomiting due to this.

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[Caravan Monster]

I don' t think that she is suffering from this problem, luckily, but all this talk has got me to start making changes to her diet. Been feeding more BARF last few days and have noticed two things already: grass is still eaten, but no vomiting- it comes out the other end. Also, much less poo now that is white and hard rather than lots of dark and sloppy. I reckon no more anal gland squeezing this way- excellent. I' m starting to feel more confident that steering further away from feeding bagged food is the way to go. Also, I think that juckler's suggestion about bile and fitness being related is also important and I shall do something about it- I used to really enjoy seeing the hard work pay off when she could do the occasional run without getting completely knackered. Looked good too.