Wants To Breed Her 13 Month Old Whippet

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wot would u say if a bitch does not come in to season after she is 2 yrs old can the experts explain why this happens ??????????????

 

[Seraphina]

wot would u say if a bitch does not come in to season after she is 2 yrs old can the experts explain why this happens ??????????????

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When and how often does a bitch come in season is regulated by hormones produced in the hypothalamus and the pituitary gland. Puberty is initiated by sudden spurt in production of these hormones. Bitches cycles can be also affected by some environmental, as well as hereditary factors. I know that certain lines of Whippets here in OZ are very late starting their seasons and Callista’s sire comes from these lines. It is possible that not only the bitches from these lines are slow to mature but also the dogs, as I tried to use Callista’s sire at stud when he was about 14 month old and he just was not interested. He played with the bitch, cuddled up with her to go to sleep but had no idea she was in season. I had to wait for another 6 months and mated him to my other bitch; this time he knew exactly what to do.

 

[kerry0378]

quote "um bitches should have a season every 6months, you really need to that at least before you start breeding!

theres lots of books that have the basic info in, but you should seek advice from a good breeder..."

I have read books on breeding, im not daft enough to go into this blind, but books do not equal experience and it is natural for me to worry that i am doing the best by my bitch. I am totally aware of when bitches come into season mine did come first in at 9 months, i just prayed it would then regulate to every year but it would seem that she will be every 9 months, and i have spoken to vets and breeders and am aware that the smaller the breed the quicker to mature though allowances should be made on a individual basis, like people.

btw how do i get this to quote

 

[posh totty]

at the bottom right side you will see quote and reply hit reply and the original will be quoted :thumbsup:

 

[whippynit]

quote "um bitches should have a season every 6months, you really need to that at least before you start breeding!
theres lots of books that have the basic info in, but you should seek advice from a good breeder..."

I have read books on breeding, im not daft enough to go into this blind, but books do not equal experience and it is natural for me to worry that i am doing the best by my bitch.  I am totally aware of when bitches come into season mine did come first in at 9 months, i just prayed it would then regulate to every year but it would seem that she will be every 9 months, and i have spoken to vets and breeders and am aware that the smaller the breed the quicker to mature though allowances should be made on a individual basis, like people.

btw how do i get this to quote

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click on 'reply' button below the persons post whom you wish to quote :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

However my own personal opinion is that teenage girls and young dogs should be mentally mature before they enter motherhood.  Usually humans spend a quarter of their life as a youth enjoying the new experiences life brings, I don't think it's unreasonable for a dog to have the same opportunity

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We really cannot compare human and dogs in regards to mental maturity. To have a baby means lifelong commitment, and the mental maturity to bring the baby up. Bitch can have her pups and continue to play and have fun. OK she needs to feed them for few weeks, but then her life goes back to normal.

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I agree with what your saying just in my personal opinion and in my experience of breeding dogs there is a personality change when a bitch has pups. I personally feel they do become more independant I would say the same for a dog used at stud too. It should be noted that my experiences are mainly of other breeds and not whippets though. I did see a change in my whippet bitch but this of course does not reflect the breed as a whole.

I also agree about calcification of the pelvis cartilage and most of your other comments, as I said previously physical recovery is usually quicker too. I just think that inexperienced breeders shouldn't see this as a way of assuring no complications occur. The person I tried to defer breeding was inexperienced, there was complications with regards to the birth itself, the puppies born and the change in personality of the bitch afterwards. The circumstances that Jools describes are very similar and that's why I think she was right to deter this person from breeding, I think you agree too but are raising a decent point that it isn't nessarily wrong for a breeder to mate bitches at a younger age. :thumbsup:

In non-ped racing it is not uncommon for people to breed their bitches after their racing career because at 2-4 years the dog would be seen to be in it's prime on the track. The other aspect is that if the dog is any good at racing, homes are usually assured for the offspring. I would of thought with regards to showing owners would be of the same mind track?

 

[wild whippies]

Just another query as you have had a lot of input on the subject, is the incidence of C-section comparitively higher in whippets compared to other breeds? Only I would of thought it would be lower due to the streamlined shape of the breed IYSWIM?

The only info I've come across was this health survey. It gave a figure of 10% incidence in those breeders who participated in the survey but unfortunately it doen't reveal the ages of the bitches who had a C-section.

http://home.swipnet.se/whippetklubben/am_health.htm

Sorry folks edited this loads of times cos I kept botching the link! :wacko:

 

[doris]

IYSWIM?

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sorry, but what does this mean :wacko:

 

[wild whippies]

IYSWM = If you see what I mean. I thought afterwards it might throw folk as it's not really used often, sorry!

 

[doris]

IYSWM = If you see what I mean. I thought afterwards  it might throw folk as it's not really used often, sorry!

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thanks :thumbsup:

 

[Seraphina]

Just another query as you have had a lot of input on the subject, is the incidence of C-section comparitively higher in whippets compared to other breeds? Only I would of thought it would be lower due to the streamlined shape of the breed IYSWIM?
The only info I've come across was this health survey. It gave a figure of 10% incidence in those breeders who participated in the survey but unfortunately it doen't reveal the ages of the bitches who had a C-section.

http://home.swipnet.se/whippetklubben/am_health.htm

Sorry folks edited this loads of times cos I kept botching the link! :wacko:

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I too would have thought that Whippets would have relatively easy delivery. OK most of my experience comes from whelping Danes and Borzois, both large breeds with large litters of comparatively small pups (not that much bigger than Whippets actually), and they would just pop them out in about 30 minutes-45minutes intervals. I also helped to whelp a Cavalier, who just stood on her head (w00t) with her bottom in the air while i was catching the pups!!!!! She only took about 1.5 hours to have all 4 pups seemingly with not much effort. While all my Whippet litters were lot of effort, with the bitches totally exhausted by the end.

And I know of many Whippet litters that were born by caesarian section, really quite a surprisingly high proportion. I have a friend who belives in titling her bitches before they are bred, and she has probably half of her litters born by caesar. There are definitely other causes for problems requiring caesar, but age is a contributing factor. But I am sure there is also the owner hysteria factor, and the vet $$$ factor, not to mention the better do it now rather than you getting me out of bed in 1a.m. factor. Fortunately, I have a very nice vet, who tells me to get myself nice cup of tea, relax and let the bitch to whelp in her own time :b

 

[sadieandco]

Very interesting topic - my parents have kept and bred whippets for over 40 years and have had both KC Pedigrees whom they showed and raced and then went into Non Ped Racing Whippets - we have had numerous litters and am glad to say we have been very lucky and have never had to have any c sections and have had very few complications in breeding.

When showing i believe the bitches would have their first litters around 3 years old but then with the Non Ped racing whippets we tended to wait until their 4th year - and again have been lucky enough to have fairly easy births. My belief being if the bitch is fit before mating and then kept fit during pregnancy (which you may say common sense) this all helps when giving birth. I say common sense as i do know of people who mate bitches and then seem to feed them up and give little exercise (cos there pregnant bless) but fitness and keeping agile does help the birth.

 

[wild whippies]

I think your spot on sadie, I've been debating this with a few other experienced whippet racers today who also feel the incidence of C-sections is low, they both felt the 10% figure quoted from the study I posted was a rather generous figure. Although the study was done internationally so it's possible that vets operate different practices from the U.K.

I think your comments about maintaining the dogs fitness and being cautious regarding overfeeding are very important factors that need to be taken into consideration.

 

[Seraphina]

I think your spot on sadie, I've been debating this with a few other experienced whippet racers today who also feel the incidence of C-sections is low, they both felt the 10% figure quoted from the study I posted was a rather generous figure. Although the study was done internationally so it's possible that vets operate different practices from the U.K.I think your comments about maintaining the dogs fitness and being cautious regarding overfeeding are very important factors that need to be taken into consideration.

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Agree totally that one of the factors is the bitches' fittness and I think the show dogs are getting fatter and fatter. My dogs gallop daily even when pregnat and i like to keep them on the slim side. Well, I did run around the park right until my daughter was born, literaly; took the dogs to the park, came home got a contraction, went to the hospital and 5 hours later had a baby. So i think Whippets should not be kept quite while pregnant, but mine still do not have what I would call easy labour. Not that we ever needed c-section, so far ( crossing all my fingers and toes).

 

[sadieandco]

I might possibly get shot down for this reply but i also feel that possibly more c sections in Non Ped whippets now as there is so much more greyhound in the breeding and obviously can throw back to larger side of breeding - not always and i do believe most breeders are quite cautious and look at the sizing etc before they decide on mating but we cannot guarantee that even if we pick 'similar size' or something that we think will throw 'small pups' etc that it wont throw back to the greyhound, found in i'd say most non racing peds these days. Whereas again in years gone by whippets were mainly bred with whippets without as much of the greyhound blood. My opinion only :- " not digging up past debates )