Weight Groups V Abc Racing

[mollyxx]

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Do racers have a preference for ABC Racing or weight groups.

Would ABC Racing bring more entries to your open?

They could be split for safety into 2 groups (24-32lb or 25-35lb)

Adults/Pups/Yearlings & Veterans could be run the same way?

This format would cater for more dogs giving them at least 2 runs each!

You wouldn't hit the same dogs week, in week out as you do with weight groups!

What do you think?

 

[cistinna and mickey]

abc racing coz u can see if ur dog is inproving but it is nice to have the odd weight group race

 

[friggsy]

I THINK A B C D RACING IS OK FOR CLUBS. BUT I THINK YOU WOULD FIND THERE BE MORE DOGS GOING OPEN RACING WHO WERE ONLY CLUB DOGS. AND WOULD SPOIL THE RACING FOR THE OPEN CLASS DOGS.AND THE CLUBS WOULD HAVE LESS DOGS RACING WEEK IN WEEK OUT O M O.THINK THE RACING IS FINE AS IT IS BUT THINK THERES IS JUST TO MUCH RACING.

 

[mollyxx]

I THINK A B C D RACING IS OK FOR CLUBS. BUT I THINK YOU WOULD FIND THERE BE MORE DOGS GOING OPEN RACING WHO WERE ONLY CLUB DOGS. AND WOULD SPOIL THE RACING FOR THE OPEN CLASS DOGS.AND THE CLUBS WOULD HAVE LESS DOGS RACING WEEK IN WEEK OUT O M O.THINK THE RACING IS FINE AS IT IS BUT THINK THERES IS JUST TO MUCH RACING.

So what can we all cut back on to help for 2012?

 

[friggsy]

i dont rearly know chris i surpose it would help if clubs would not race when an open was on in there area.

 

[~Sally~]

my opinion is ABC racing caters for dogs of all abilities and introducing different formats eg yd/lb, 2ft/lb and diff distances would allow all dogs a chance of winning one of the finals. i enjoy watching open racing and have been lucky enough to have dogs capable of winning at open and championship level, however we have also owned dogs who are not. when we had 4/5 racers we would pick abc opens everytime cos it meant all our dogs stood a chance. people cannot afford to travel miles for one run, and if you are against a dog that is flying then it puts you off travelling even more. some of the abc opens have far exceeded the weight class opens on attendence this year so maybe this is the way forward. perhaps some more abc should be introduced at opens, i'm not sayin get rid of all weight class opens just perhaps alter the balance so there is less. ray i have to disagree with your point about clubs not running if there is an open in the area, if people don't want to go to the open they wont regardless, i know we would just not race that week, also with opens on weekly how are people meant to get their puppies trained up?

Sally

 

[hellbound]

I THINK A B C D RACING IS OK FOR CLUBS. BUT I THINK YOU WOULD FIND THERE BE MORE DOGS GOING OPEN RACING WHO WERE ONLY CLUB DOGS. AND WOULD SPOIL THE RACING FOR THE OPEN CLASS DOGS.AND THE CLUBS WOULD HAVE LESS DOGS RACING WEEK IN WEEK OUT O M O.THINK THE RACING IS FINE AS IT IS BUT THINK THERES IS JUST TO MUCH RACING.

sorry but dont agree Ray think the idea is to get as many dogs at the opens as poss and the way to do that is to give club dogs a chance to win even if it a D/E final, think the main opens should stay weight class gives everyone a chance to see how your dogs are doing against the best dogs in your class but club opens get more dogs with A B C D and its club opens that need the dogs turning out to keep them going,

 

[hellbound]

my opinion is ABC racing caters for dogs of all abilities and introducing different formats eg yd/lb, 2ft/lb and diff distances would allow all dogs a chance of winning one of the finals. i enjoy watching open racing and have been lucky enough to have dogs capable of winning at open and championship level, however we have also owned dogs who are not. when we had 4/5 racers we would pick abc opens everytime cos it meant all our dogs stood a chance. people cannot afford to travel miles for one run, and if you are against a dog that is flying then it puts you off travelling even more. some of the abc opens have far exceeded the weight class opens on attendence this year so maybe this is the way forward. perhaps some more abc should be introduced at opens, i'm not sayin get rid of all weight class opens just perhaps alter the balance so there is less. ray i have to disagree with your point about clubs not running if there is an open in the area, if people don't want to go to the open they wont regardless, i know we would just not race that week, also with opens on weekly how are people meant to get their puppies trained up?
Sally

just what i wanted to say but put much better sally lol

 

[AndrewPocket]

my opinion is ABC racing caters for dogs of all abilities and introducing different formats eg yd/lb, 2ft/lb and diff distances would allow all dogs a chance of winning one of the finals. i enjoy watching open racing and have been lucky enough to have dogs capable of winning at open and championship level, however we have also owned dogs who are not. when we had 4/5 racers we would pick abc opens everytime cos it meant all our dogs stood a chance. people cannot afford to travel miles for one run, and if you are against a dog that is flying then it puts you off travelling even more. some of the abc opens have far exceeded the weight class opens on attendence this year so maybe this is the way forward. perhaps some more abc should be introduced at opens, i'm not sayin get rid of all weight class opens just perhaps alter the balance so there is less. ray i have to disagree with your point about clubs not running if there is an open in the area, if people don't want to go to the open they wont regardless, i know we would just not race that week, also with opens on weekly how are people meant to get their puppies trained up?
Sally

just what i wanted to say but put much better sally lol

agree with sally and ivone here if u give people 2 runs were ever they go wether it to be abc or consulation racing u would get a greater amount of dogs turn up and if they was fewer and father between not 2 and 3 opens on every week u would get the attendences and more dogs on the card ( i think its the way forward christene and u and the governing bodies are the only ones to sort it out and take control )

yours in the sport andy :thumbsup:

 

[dart]

Personally I would put dogs bitches together dogs get sex allowance 1 lb two weight groups winners go in to final and losers run for second chance trophy both events to count for points pot luck who you draw so you not run against same dog every week run at 2ft lb 150 yards front dog but I do like abc racing but I do like different formats at open so if suits your dog you can run or not I been to lot of open events this year I think problem layers to many opens need cut down now to stop poor turn out at some of opens just to many races just my opinion yours in sport Lyndon

 

[JOHNG]

my opinion for what it's worth is to leave it as it is yd/lb or 2ft/lb in classes,the only thing i would change is the amount of TT opens.

abc format on the bends would be a better idea. :thumbsup:

 

[sherry]

introduce more time trial races alongside opens then those with club dogs actually stand a chance of winning. even in abcde racing not all dogs wud win abcd or e whereas in a timed race all dogs shud go over the line together (doesnt always work like lo) so i say stick with yds per 1lb and add a timed race @ each event with the odd abcde race. i dont think abcde racing attracts more i just think it depends on where the open is held. for instance if we did abcde @ wallsend i wud guarantee we wudnt get as many dogs as say shirebrook, poolsbrook or old hall. its all do with location IMO.

 

[mutley]

agree with john gill regarding straights :thumbsup:

 

[kenny m]

agree with john gill regarding straights :thumbsup:

an i agree with the two of yous, mind you it would be nice to have abc. i would stay at home that week

 

[mollyxx]

It seems everything just gets a stalemate answer in the end, some want change, some want the same thing.

Change is needed to help the sport continue.

Clubs seemingly need to generate all important funds to keep the club financially stable..so the clubs also need to attract a bigger entry!

Why not try putting on both time trial and yd/lb for points.

or

ABC racing up to 25lb up to 35lb dogs and bitches sep, 1st and 2nd in each class to make a 4 dog final dog & bitch winner all scoring.

or

Try adding Maiden racing for whippets who aren't champions.

or

Compulsary Cons racing at all opens, giving all the much needed 2nd run to the dogs.

If an owner has several dogs, of which some are not open class, they too need attracting to your open, petrol is far too expensive, if you can run all of your dogs gaining more than one run in an open, then surely its worthwhile the journey.

Any more suggestions?

Are the main organisations willing to cut back on any of their events, or the regions on any of their opens?

Are you all willing to cancel any charity and all additional events?

What about the UK Scr, S Coast Scr, Scottish Champs etc, they all fill the calendar each year?

These will leave the calendar with a lot less on each month, is this the answer?

 

[kenny m]

think frigsy hit the nail on the head chris,theres just far to many opens on

i have noticed that theres opens just pop up,when they shouldn't be on. i know these generate money for the club but it takes attendances away from a main event,,,i cant think what to do but the main bodies need to get there heads together,they could maybe put the main events on here and then work around them.they could maybe put a vote on what people like to attend? i dont know..

its getting to be a rich mans sport the amount of opens thats on,and then its straight into the bends i think its hard on the dogs too,as well as the pocket,,i would help in anyway i could to make the sport better,as would other members

good luck chris on working something out as we all moan what evers brought up :wacko:

 

[sherry]

i dont know why people say too many opens as its been like this for a good few years now and im sure people wud complain if there was not an open on for a few weeks JMO. this weekend weve got an open on @ wallsend sat then worsc 5 hours away on sunday and i bet worsc get the bigger turn out. its nothing to do with the format (imo) its all to do with location. id hate to see no scottish champs as to me this makes up the scottish holidays these days. only thing i cud suggest on cuttng down opens is for each club to lose one of their opens. but then we cant stop clubs holding additional opens. ist here any opens that have just came about in the last say 5 years cud these be cut or joined with another open @ the same club????

 

[mutley]

abc if done all the time would ruin open racing imo too much change in the sport for me

 

[wild whippies]

Few thoughts....

What if you ran your open and whatever comes 2nd, 3rd, 4th gets to run 'consolation' in ABCD format?

Winners were allocated a depreciating level of top ten points e.g. open winner winning it's class 5 points, A class winner 4 points, B class winner 3 points and so on.

As has always been, continue the Top Ten but additionally start grading dogs over their racing career like is done on greyhound data.

What this would do is highlight dogs that whilst potentially not the fastest at a given time may be extremely durable and / or come from attractive breeding stock. It could go some way into widening the gene pool because I personally think most simply pick the fastest thing running at a given time or something they think is a safe bet. It may encourage people to think outside the box because the 'maths' has been done for them.

For those who may not be able to travel the breadth of the country, they could acrue a reasonable amount of points.

If your unfortunate enough to have a flying machine in your class, all is not lost by coming 2nd to it. For the owner of the flying machine, they don't have to be faced with the dissapointment of a solo.

I would also award more points for veteran racing, again to emphasise durability.

This data could be (if ammeniable) used in conjunction with the existing non-ped database Malcolm Clarke has provided us. If a similar format could be used as is on greyhound data, people would be able to view the points scoring of a whole litter which again would be desirable for those searching for studs.

I also think some funding should be provided towards the upkeep of such a site because the database in place already is of considerable expense to one individual. This could be done by paying £1 every time your run your dog at an event so that whatever points it accrued that day would be logged with the site.

For those unfamiliar with greyhound data heres a link to a random example. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=1328635