neck injuries?? where does the concept that whippets have fragile necks come from? a harness will not stop pulling so does that mean they will incur chest injuries??
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i would not put a harness on a whippet type, my self i put a good strong leather collar and lead on for road work and train your dog not to pull.
i have just started to make some whippet type collars this is my are site, have a look on the working dog collar page
http://harrisandwatson.webs.com/index.htm :thumbsup:
i have just started to make some whippet type collars this is my are site, have a look on the working dog collar page
http://harrisandwatson.webs.com/index.htm :thumbsup:
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some of the collars on your website are evil!! Why would a whippet need prongs on the inside of its collar?
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not the prong collar that is for training mastiffs and big bull breeds that need a swift sharp shock before they turn evil, why would i put that on a whippet ? the 2" cut collar
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my work is some of the best leather work man ship around so dont get slagging it off and saying that its evil if you dont even now wot type of collar that you are looking for to put on a whippet. that collar has got a job to do on dogs that need it and by people that know how and when to use it. :thumbsup:not the prong collar that is for training mastiffs and big bull breeds that need a swift sharp shock before they turn evil, why would i put that on a whippet ? the 2" cut collar
Used properly with a balance lead, a harness can stop dogs pulling. I was taught this by Sarah Fisher.
Yes, it does look very good leathercrafting. Interesting to see the historical style collars on your site.my work is some of the best leather work man ship around so dont get slagging it off and saying that its evil if you dont even now wot type of collar that you are looking for to put on a whippet. that collar has got a job to do on dogs that need it and by people that know how and when to use it. :thumbsup:not the prong collar that is for training mastiffs and big bull breeds that need a swift sharp shock before they turn evil, why would i put that on a whippet ? the 2" cut collar
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Thank youYes, it does look very good leathercrafting. Interesting to see the historical style collars on your site.my work is some of the best leather work man ship around so dont get slagging it off and saying that its evil if you dont even now wot type of collar that you are looking for to put on a whippet. that collar has got a job to do on dogs that need it and by people that know how and when to use it. :thumbsup:not the prong collar that is for training mastiffs and big bull breeds that need a swift sharp shock before they turn evil, why would i put that on a whippet ? the 2" cut collar
they are all based on collars from the past, they are a bit different from the norm not for every one but i like them (w00t)A harness does not stop a dog pulling it just makes it more comfortable whilst it's doing it, correct training stops pulling
just another fad imho nothing wrong with a lead
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I am well aware of what collar to use on a whippet thanks very much :blink:my work is some of the best leather work man ship around so dont get slagging it off and saying that its evil if you dont even now wot type of collar that you are looking for to put on a whippet. that collar has got a job to do on dogs that need it and by people that know how and when to use it. :thumbsup:not the prong collar that is for training mastiffs and big bull breeds that need a swift sharp shock before they turn evil, why would i put that on a whippet ? the 2" cut collar
Yes, and training on how to walk mannerly fashion.
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thanks for all answers and helps.
Ok so you've clearly been on my walks and witnessed my dog NOT PULLING on his harness. He knows how to walk on a lead, if you read my previous posts, that is not the problem. The problem is that this dog has been attacked by bigger dogs and now gets very panicky and often aggressive when we pass bigger dogs. he has been correctly trained, but if you were faced with something that terrified you, would you remain calm and remember your training? Probably not.
So do I (a) carry on with the lead attached to his collar while he lunges and throttles himself and bites another dog?
or (b) use the harness, that works, keeps him calm and prevents him reaching other dogs without hurting himself?
It's not a waste of money if my dog is happier and I can take him for walks near other dogs which I couldn't before.
Too many people on here think it's amusing to gang up and slag off others while knowing very little about them. It's not about who is right and wrong, but sometimes you have to accept that not everyone will agree with you, and , get this, you are not always right. No wonder all the nice ones prefer facebook. :angry:
Well said
I never used to think harnesses stop pulling and I still think that in themselves they don't BUT if the dog feels happier in a harness AND ALREADY KNOWS HOW TO WALK TO HEEL then they will pull less in a harness - I have seen this for myself with my uncle's Patterdale.
Also, in the case of a nervous dog who has been attacked, a collar and lead will force the dogs head up (which signals dominance to other dogs) and physically prevents the dog showing submission to a possible aggressor to prevent a confrontation. On the other hand a harness allows the dog to put his head on the floor even when held on a short, tight lead and therefore gives him the ability to diffuse the situation in his own way which will ultimately make him a more confident dog
dont think anyone is ganging up or slagging, certainly not me i have never mentioned you in any of my posts? if you think a harness is beneficial then great you can stand your corner, i personally think they are dangerous faddy and a complete waste of time, if i had a dog that was aggressive to other dogs i certainly wouldnt use a harness as they are very easy to escape from and in that situation a well fitting collar and strong lead are a perfect combo i would be turning and walking away from the other dog but i have never had an aggressive dog or one that wasnt trained to a simple lead and collar anyway im away to facebook to meet the NICE people o
Prong collars are horrible things and not appropriate for any breed imo. Mastiffs and bull breeds don't 'turn evil', they can be trained the same as any other dog with patience and rewards.
Regarding harnesses generally I have know a lot of people have a good deal of success with the balance harness system that Esty uses, so would certainly not dismiss that; for some dogs being pulled into an upright position with a flat collar does contribute to making them confrontational.
A lot of people with retired greyhounds find the Ruffwear harness brilliant, it is impossible to escape from and the handle on the back gives an extra point of control if the dog lunges or spins on the lead. I have used a headcollar with a lurcher who pulled like a train when he first came to me, it made walks enjoyable rather than a battle until training kicked in and he no longer needed it.
Our dogs are not all the same, what works best for one may not work for another so I really can't see why people are getting so heated over this or dismissive of other peoples' experiences or preferences.
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Just continuing the debate. You are entitled to your opinion but you can't state it as fact. Nor is it good to go through life dismissing all new ideas as faddy without experience of them......I don't feel got at personally but basically you were dismissing anyone who uses a harness (and many other things in other threads.) Brownmare summed it up very well - a collar and lead can put a dog in an aggressive stance, makes him feel and look aggressive. Grover is not an aggressive dog - he is a fearful dog who chooses fight instead of flight due to bad experiences where other dogs have attacked him for no reason. There is a big difference. He is trained to a collar and lead in normal circumstances and when meeting small dogs, horses, donkeys, people etc. In an ideal world I would turn away but I walk down some very narrow lanes where that is not an option PLUS if I turn away from all dogs, is that not going to reinforce to my dog that there is something to fear? He will never improve if I don't try something new - he is only two, I am not labelling him for the rest of his life, I want to try to rehabilitate him. And what about my other two dogs - they could become unsocialised as well if continually avoid other dogs.dont think anyone is ganging up or slagging, certainly not me i have never mentioned you in any of my posts? if you think a harness is beneficial then great you can stand your corner, i personally think they are dangerous faddy and a complete waste of time, if i had a dog that was aggressive to other dogs i certainly wouldnt use a harness as they are very easy to escape from and in that situation a well fitting collar and strong lead are a perfect combo i would be turning and walking away from the other dog but i have never had an aggressive dog or one that wasnt trained to a simple lead and collar anyway im away to facebook to meet the NICE people o
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i admit that i have never had to use a prong collar my self on any mastiff or bull breed that i have owned and trained my self in the past, as all of my training starts as soon as it comes in to my home from a pup, but there are older dogs that do need this type of collar in there training it is no good trying to train 120lb plus dogs that have got very bad habits with a bit of food imo and a hell of a lot of PP dog trainers, you wont that dog to do wot you say strait away, and yes some dogs that have not been kept or trained right from a young age are and can be unpredictable and have the potential to turn evil, so these sort of collar have got jobs to do by people that are responsible and know how and when to use it, it would be no good having a big worked up dog hanging off a sleeve and trying to offer it a bit of a tip bit to get it to let go one good tug on a collar like that with the command of out works for a hell of a lot of dog trainers all over the world. i have all was learned my PP dogs to leave right from the start so i dont have that problem.
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