Whippet X Or Greyhound X ?

[wild whippies]

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I went back to 7th generation and equated to 33%, (21/64), or 1/3 greyhound, 2/3 whippet.

What actual greyhound DNA is present in Ernie is a completely different matter! :wacko:

 

[baby1]

i cant tell you what there classed as???????????????but i can tell you what there not and thats a LURCHER

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LURCHER LURCHER LURCHER LURCHER

 

[tinker*]

sounds more like "longdog" to me.

 

[coatsy]

Thats exactly what i`m saying a racing KC whippet has emerged. When I raced back in the `70`s the Ped whippets that were racing were from show stock, but as years have gone by, most of the ped racing whippets seem to have extended pedigrees of racing ancestors.
As regards Ernie, if you go back 3 generations you could classify him possibly as 1.5/8ths Greyhound ! ! or 6.5/8ths non-ped whippet ! ! Which ever way you want to read it !

I myself, given his size, build and weight, would class him as more of a whippet than a greyhound.

Just for an exercise is there any `anoraks` out there, able to see how far we could trace Ernies whippet pedigree back ?

Over to you Judy ! 

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was just wondering when you raced him with the working whippets and destroyed them up at antrim some times it pays to keep the can of worms closed :thumbsup:

 

[tinker*]

*Kim hides :- " cos she can see the age old "Should long 15/16th greyhound/whippies thingyma'lurchers, be raced at lurcher shows!! ?? :unsure:

it is imminent :blink:

 

[baby1]

These dogs are not 15/16th's as explained in many many many other posts!

 

[tinker*]

no but surely you can see where this will lead ... as do all grey/whippy breeding topics do!

 

[baby1]

The start of this dog line came from my kennels and all im saying is they are not 15/16 percentage. The two dogs in question are Whippet Greyhound X and not Whippet Greyhound to Greyhound again.

I think thats it for my comments on this page because I do agree on one thing it will go down the same old path again.

Roll on racing season (w00t)

 

[tinker*]

ROLL ON PEOPLE ACTUALLY LEARNING TO STOP USING K9 TO BICKER OVER WHOS DOGS ARE WHAT!! .... AND THAT RACING ISNT THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS! :thumbsup:

What does it really matter whos dogs are what height, breeding etc etc etc ???

 

[baby1]

ROLL ON PEOPLE ACTUALLY LEARNING TO STOP USING K9 TO BICKER OVER WHOS DOGS ARE WHAT!! .... AND THAT RACING ISNT THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS! :thumbsup:
What does it really matter whos dogs are what height, breeding etc etc etc ???

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I agree with you on that! :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

Good way of bringing these topics to an end is by asking those that deny these dogs to be lurchers or non-ped whippets to give exact figures as to what quantifies them not being so?

Neither non-ped whippets, long dogs or lurchers have patents on exactly how much grey blood can be present in a lining and as DNA assessment would be required to confirm this, I can't see rules coming into place with any related organisations either.

I think a lot of folk are seeing their ass at the thought of a bit of competition.

Wouldn't mind but a small one can beat a big one over a shorter distance anyway, so long as events are ran over variable distances, there's no good reason why every dog can't have it's day providing it's a good 'un. :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

Well really if it was such an insult to the organisers, I'm sure they'd refuse them entry. Seems a tad petty if they're hardly a threat.

I actually raced my peds at Selby once although I was courteous enough to ask Jeff in advance first if I could run them. He was kind enough to run some racing for the whippets alone which is probably a more sporting gesture.

Personally I think any club would be foolish to turn away peddy whippets, for one their excellent for training pups and some of the ped racing clubs won't allow these dogs to run competitvely if they're not KC registered. The other reason is the owners could be prospective owners of lurchers in the future.

To have prejudices in dog racing is pathetic all it does is reduce your numbers in what could easily become a dying sport if it fails to encourage newcomers.

Got to say ABCDE racing formats is the answer to the quandry of lurcher racing. It prevents exclusions of slower lurcher breeds that could well become extinct as a result of hunting bans.

 

[GAMBINO]

ROLL ON PEOPLE ACTUALLY LEARNING TO STOP USING K9 TO BICKER OVER WHOS DOGS ARE WHAT!! .... AND THAT RACING ISNT THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS! :thumbsup:
What does it really matter whos dogs are what height, breeding etc etc etc ???

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I agree with you on that! :thumbsup:

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BECAUSE IT DOES MATTER MY FRIEND, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN RACING

 

[dos]

took my pup out today,abit of basic training and he opened up for the first time,full tilt for about 50-60 yards,takes your breath away.thats what its all about. (w00t)

 

[tinker*]

no not really, due to the fact you cant change the height of the dogs, if its 23" its 23" (example) .... or if it has got more whippet/greyhound in it, and if people think that is morrally right or wrong if it races as a lurcher.... nothing will change!!

The dogs are what they are! and if they are quick they will win. :thumbsup: so nooooo matter how much we discuss the fact it wont change what happens on the day of a race.

Thats what i mean .... so it dosnt really matter what breeding, szies .... a long as they race in the right catagory.

 

[Martin Tucker]

I ran Ernie at 3 shows last year ! He ran at a Lurcher Show (shouldn`t have ran at it as he`s not a lurcher !), ran in the Whippet section at Shanes Castle (shouldn`t have run as he`s not a whippet !) So what should he have ran in, if at all ?

The travelling is too far for me and there seems a resentment if he wins. I`m not interested in winning by 25 lengths in a non-competitve situation. That`s why we wont be running him at anymore shows, unless there is something specific he can run in.

Now if you run a meet at a schooling track, i`ll come and take the bigger dogs on ! Won`t have them chasing him around a field though at a show !

As regards DNA. Both the parents and the litter have to be tested to prove parentage, as is the case in the Greyhound world. My stud dogs are DNA when first registered and since 2006, all bitches that are bred from are now DNA as well.

 

[lovelylady]

I ran Ernie at 3 shows last year ! He ran at a Lurcher Show (shouldn`t have ran at it as he`s not a lurcher !), ran in the Whippet section at Shanes Castle (shouldn`t have run as he`s not a whippet !) So what should he have ran in, if at all ?
The travelling is too far for me and there seems a resentment if he wins. I`m not interested in winning by 25 lengths in a non-competitve situation. That`s why we wont be running him at anymore shows, unless there is something specific he can run in.

Now if you run a meet at a schooling track, i`ll come and take the bigger dogs on ! Won`t have them chasing him around a field though at a show !

As regards DNA. Both the parents and the litter have to be tested to prove parentage, as is the case in the Greyhound world. My stud dogs are DNA when first registered and since 2006, all bitches that are bred from are now DNA as well.

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"was just wondering when you raced him with the working whippets and destroyed them up at antrim some times it pays to keep the can of worms closed " (quote from someone else)

appears you werent allowed to race here too...very sad

 

[weathergirls]

how come youve not raced him in the NON-PED WHIPPET RACING Martin that is what he was bred for initially

When we invite lurchers to race at our non-ped events over here in England we don't allow our registered non-ped racers to enter into the lurcher section as we believe it would be unfair and unsporting as the non-ped racing dog is bred and trained for a specific role mainly the sprint race whereas the lurcher IMO is bred and trained for the field and the coursing and has the staying power moreover than the speed of the non-ped racer.

Over the past few years as our Lurcher friends such as John, Billy, Macha and Rose to name a few have come over from Ireland and taken part and enjoyed something different so much so John is keen to try and develop this back in Ireland alongside the normal Lurcher sporting events whilst at the same time not trying to exile the LURCHER as we all know it

THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL TYPES OF RACING and it is good to put new blood into the breed but to import a non-ped bred racing whippet to race in the Lurchers I think is unsportsmanlike.

by the way your not the man who challenged a Blackpool donkey to race against Red Rum are you :- "

 

[tinker*]

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how come youve not raced him in the NON-PED WHIPPET RACING Martin that is what he was bred for initially
When we invite lurchers to race at our non-ped events over here in England we don't allow our registered non-ped racers to enter into the lurcher section as we believe it would be unfair and unsporting as the non-ped racing dog is bred and trained for a specific role mainly the sprint race whereas the lurcher IMO is bred and trained for the field and the coursing and has the staying power moreover than the speed of the non-ped racer.

  Over the past few years as our Lurcher  friends such  as John,  Billy, Macha and  Rose to name a few have come over from Ireland and taken part and enjoyed something different so much so John is keen to try and develop this back in Ireland alongside the normal Lurcher sporting events whilst at the same time not trying to exile the LURCHER as we all know it

  THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL  TYPES OF RACING  and it is good to put new blood into the breed but to import a non-ped bred racing whippet to race in the Lurchers I think is unsportsmanlike.

  by the way your not the man who challenged a Blackpool donkey to race against Red Rum are you  :- "

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SPOT ON :thumbsup:

But i think many people come under "the non-ped bred racing whippet to race in the Lurchers I think is unsportsmanlike" comment :blink: unfortunatly

 

[markbrick]

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how come youve not raced him in the NON-PED WHIPPET RACING Martin that is what he was bred for initially
When we invite lurchers to race at our non-ped events over here in England we don't allow our registered non-ped racers to enter into the lurcher section as we believe it would be unfair and unsporting as the non-ped racing dog is bred and trained for a specific role mainly the sprint race whereas the lurcher IMO is bred and trained for the field and the coursing and has the staying power moreover than the speed of the non-ped racer.

  Over the past few years as our Lurcher  friends such  as John,  Billy, Macha and  Rose to name a few have come over from Ireland and taken part and enjoyed something different so much so John is keen to try and develop this back in Ireland alongside the normal Lurcher sporting events whilst at the same time not trying to exile the LURCHER as we all know it

  THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL  TYPES OF RACING  and it is good to put new blood into the breed but to import a non-ped bred racing whippet to race in the Lurchers I think is unsportsmanlike.

  by the way your not the man who challenged a Blackpool donkey to race against Red Rum are you  :- "

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SPOT ON :thumbsup:

But i think many people come under "the non-ped bred racing whippet to race in the Lurchers I think is unsportsmanlike" comment :blink: unfortunatly

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i think that post says it all,i find these pure breed owners and non ped owners who bombard the lurcher shows to compete in 1 race are unsportsman like,they never put there dogs in other events just race em in a bloody straight line,mark