Whippets or Greyhouds

[dazgail]

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Denise,Sherry,

Sorry i didn't get back sooner, a friend was on remote configuring my pc

I am from just outside belfast

 

[gary farmer]

if a 55 lb weight group is interduced then come on ernie will still run because he is only 54lb and 24inches to the shoulder and can infact get happerly into a whippet trap not any dog greyhound that i know can do that . bitches maybe

GARY.

COME ON ERNIE

 

[mutley]

gaz ive just had blue goblin mated to an irish wolfhound any thoughts on the sizes

 

[tanyia]

Durrrrrrrr dont think you will get pocket rockets Gaz

 

[sherry]

preciscly my point gary a greyhound would not fit into a whippet trap. I know I have dificulty getting mickey whizz into a whippet trap and he weighs only 50lb unsure of the height I will have to get back on that one but he aint that tall. Denise that would also worry me a greyhound sire on a whippet bitch I would imagine the whippet bitch would have to be a 30 odd pounder but yes it would worry me whether she would deliver them ok, but then again we had to have a c section with whizziwig and the sire was only 22lb so maybe its just the luck of the draw.

 

[woody]

Hi Podge sorry your not running the little ones yet.Answer to No Limit everyone who runs No Limit doest go out for one As someone said its the luck of the draw . Take my Big Fellow Challenger hes out of Solo a Half Greyhound and a 26lb dog Wor John He was small when i bought him but he just forgot to stop growing Hes now 53 lb and i wouldnt change him for the world Having Bigger traps for the No Limit wouldnt be a bad idea. Woody

 

[rowland]

:b may by someone with no-limit dogs needs to put in a perposal for an increase in membership money to pay for bigger traps, after all you had to pay £5 on your membership last year for work on a track, you don't get to use

 

[gary farmer]

Hopefully this will be the last letter I will have to write on this subject. In answer to question, does a small bitch go into a big dog, is there a problem. In the bitches I have bred I have never had a problem mating them to greyhounds as when they are born there is not much difference in size and weight. Let's answer some more questions for you, over the past 25 years greyhounds have been used to breed non-ped whippets - fact. Without these greyhounds they would be ped whippets. What I have found in looking in several breeds of non-peds when I have checked the greyhound's breeding out on the greyhound data base they have not amounted to much, people who breed whippets with greyhounds tend to use a bitch that is either not good enough for the track or a low grader because these can be picked up for little or nothing. If they are open class more greyhounds are normally bred from them, so what I am trying to say is we have been breeding whippets out of inferior greyhounds - fact. The only reason I am using dog greyhounds to whippets is because I have access to top class stud dogs, with this breeding to whippets I hope to create some excellent brood bitches for the future. I don't think there is anybody out there who would not be happy to put an 18 lb whippet to any of these brood bitches knowing they would not be interbreeding with other whippet lines.

Unfortunately for some this creates some big dogs in litters which is why I thought we had a no limit classs. Surely one class out of all the classes we have is not too much to ask for the dogs that are unfortunately over sized. If this class is not available these brood bitches will not be available in years to come. I have been told in the past if you are breeding big dogs why not go greyhound racing? My motive for breeing these dogs is to create better, smaller whippets long term. If some of these bitches are used for breeding more big whippets then surely their off spring will still produce good quality brood bitches again. Therefore I have no intention of changing my views.

I have bought 4 bitches over from Ireland, Miss Elly to a greyhound, one which I have kept myself and at 5 months old only weighs 25 lb. I have also mated Molly Stag to a top class sprint greyhound, I will keep one dog and one bitch, anybody out there in more brood bitches can email me. I have also mated a top class brood bitch greyhound to Two Become One. Hopefully this is the end of the discussion and I will not change my mind.

Gary

Come on Ernie

 

[daz]

:thumbsup: GARY,

Grayham would not run banjo if he thought he was spoiling someones race, hes not like that.

 

[stark]

hold on just a mo ..dont you non ped people .allways claim your whippets are pure ? ....how can they be if you constantly CROSS them with greyhounds .

that sort of proves the point that they arnt whippets but longdogs ?

 

[Paws123]

:b may by someone with no-limit dogs needs to put in a perposal for an increase in membership money to pay for bigger traps, after all you had to pay £5 on your membership last year for work on a track, you don't get to use

OR THEY COULD ADD £5 ONTO CARAVAN MONEY AT STAIGHT CHAMPS LIKE NWRF DID FOR 2 YEARS

 

[jade scott]

we dont claim to be pure or why would we class our dogs as non pedigree, yes we do cross them with greyhounds but they still have pedigree whippets in them as well

 

[sherry]

this topic is about no limit dogs not wheter we call them whippets greyhounds or longdogs. Does it really matter wot we call them? Instead of having a no limit class shud we change it too a longdog class? I dont think so.

 

[gary farmer]

:thumbsup: GARY,
        Grayham would not run banjo if he thought he was spoiling someones race, hes not like that.

daz grahams dog has taken ernie out four times now. he seeds the dog wide when if you look a the photos it clearly runs the rail.the only reason i have not gone mad is because he has his children there .he is probably very nice but the dog is a menace. The dog will run clear until challenged then it will take out anything left or right to it. It has taken out Ernie on the inside and outside rail now and at the NWRF championships when Ernie did manage to get past it, after the race it jumped on him and forced him to run a complete circuit again, which probably cost Ernie the supreme, maybe, maybe not. The fact is that everytime I race against that dog Ernie ends up having a month off.

this is not just my opinion.

gary

 

[stark]

so why call it none ped whippet racing ....and not none ped greyhound racing ?

 

[michelle]

so why call it none ped whippet racing ....and not none ped greyhound racing ?

non-ped is an abreviation of "non KC registered pedigree" - which is a bit of a mouthful.

Most whippet owners who race know what it means and I suppose that's all the matters. Those that don't understand the term are the unenlightened

If you look at the breed standard non-ped whippets look like whippets not greyhounds. Don't forget that non-ped whippets were around long before the KC who copied the type for their breed standard.

Tony

 

[Paws123]

Greyhound blood was introduced in to the whippet breed alot of years ago ...i think they breed a Manchester terrier to a greyhound to produce the whippet ...but don't quote me on that one

 

[rowland]

Or they could add £5 onto caravan money at staight champs like nwrf did for 2 years

You like looking things up in the W,news i suggest you look in Julys 2003, page 19 it give a full explanation for the £5 being add.I don't recall a letter of complaint from you or anyone at the champs, i would also point out that has a moderarater you know to stay on topic

 

[Paws123]

Maybe you would like to print what it says as i dont have that issue at hand ....it was 2 years as well not just 2003..i did not need to look anything up i was there and paid it like other members

I dont moderate the none ped section sorry to have to put you right again.

 

[JoJess]

WELL SAID TONY a whippet is a small dog, but seeing as there are a lot of big dogs that look like whippets i say let em race...... but i think people should be looking at the size of whippets now and probably start breeding smaller.... got to love em all though regardless of size ey:wub: