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I thought the entire debate/scenario was theoretical :wacko:

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

pleae enjoy.

 

[coatsy]

pleae enjoy.

very good graham

 

[wild whippies]

tell us who the dam to China is, who the dam belongs to, how she's bred, how many was there in the litter, and did any of the litter mates go to racing homes?

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I think the only reason John hasn't given details is because he hasn't known all of them. Now for me personally, I like to see Mum, Dad, siblings etc but that's just they way I am and that's no criticism of John, in fairness circumstances may have prevented him from doing so. The difficulty I and others have had though John is that we can't answer questions we're asked and people are then left to speculate.

For the record, I honestly think John has got China in good faith, like we all do for that matter (because in reality we only have the word of the breeder). I've seen many cases within Kennel Club breeding were people have falsified papers intentionally and in some cases the breeder would of sworn that it was such and such a dog from their kennels that lined their bitch and it's only because colours produced have screamed out otherwise that an issue has come to light.

I have to say I'm very dissapointed in those individuals who were involved in this lining not speaking out in defence of these dogs. You owe it to those who purchased a puppy and are now getting grief over their dogs, furthrmore, no-one could give a flying f**k about the greyhound, it's the whippet that's of relevance.

I feel responsible in some ways, it was me who encouraged John to get a non-ped and I used to harp on about how much better non-ped racing is for the safety of the dogs, the good craic as it were and the general support and commradery that fellow racers give. It's a shame it isn't evident at the moment but I can understand why to some extent.

Jac (John's ickle friend) :b

Don't let me down John. :luck:

 

[milly]

tell us who the dam to China is, who the dam belongs to, how she's bred, how many was there in the litter, and did any of the litter mates go to racing homes?

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I think the only reason John hasn't given details is because he hasn't known all of them. Now for me personally, I like to see Mum, Dad, siblings etc but that's just they way I am and that's no criticism of John, in fairness circumstances may have prevented him from doing so. The difficulty I and others have had though John is that we can't answer questions we're asked and people are then left to speculate.

For the record, I honestly think John has got China in good faith, like we all do for that matter (because in reality we only have the word of the breeder). I've seen many cases within Kennel Club breeding were people have falsified papers intentionally and in some cases the breeder would of sworn that it was such and such a dog from their kennels that lined their bitch and it's only because colours produced have screamed out otherwise that an issue has come to light.

I have to say I'm very dissapointed in those individuals who were involved in this lining not speaking out in defence of these dogs. You owe it to those who purchased a puppy and are now getting grief over their dogs, furthrmore, no-one could give a flying f**k about the greyhound, it's the whippet that's of relevance.

I feel responsible in some ways, it was me who encouraged John to get a non-ped and I used to harp on about how much better non-ped racing is for the safety of the dogs, the good craic as it were and the general support and commradery that fellow racers give. It's a shame it isn't evident at the moment but I can understand why to some extent.

Jac (John's ickle friend) :b

Don't let me down John. :luck:

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:thumbsup: Jac's

 

[peony]

I for one, think it is a very sorry state of affairs that John has had to go down the DNA route. Why on earth should he have to have China tested ??? :rant:

I have no doubt that aside from the actual testing, the costs will mount up ...vets fees, time off work etc etc etc and assume that all the 'doubters' amongst you are stumping up the money ???

From where I am sitting, it all seems like a huge case of sour grapes and I hope those of you who have made such a fuss and caused so much unpleasantness, are ready with sincere apologies and learn to grow up and conduct yourselves with more dignity in future. :unsure:

 

[stormydog]

FOR EVERYONE WHO IS NOW SHITTING THEIR PANTS..WHICH I KNEW YOU WOULD

chinas mum was never mentioned about as being a non-ped or a predigree whippet..ever !!! shes an ordinary whippet house dog belonging to an ordinary lady. I DONT HAVE TO GIVE FUK ALL details other than that :rant:

The accusations here started by Rodders and Hellbound and cruised along with the aid of friends in england and ireland that stated she was outve called mean little jean and ningbo jack. none of which were correct.

I told everyone at the onset when i got her who her dad was and where she came from. if i hadve wanted to bullshit anyone do you not think idve gave completely different country and names as to where i got her....not forgetting im in england every couple of weeks and in fact my sisters neighbour in Bourne offered me a pup that too was whip grey....but no i have fuk all to hide unlike a few on here.

After months of innuendos and all but saying my name a certain little gang formed and pressed and pressed until finally i decided enuff enuff of this and its time i cleared my little girls parentage up. im under no obligation to do this and in fact i should ask for quite a few dna results from what ive seen that are supposed to be fukn whippets. but as i can see the psychopathic persuit and rants have left me with no option. I dont have to tell anyone where or how many litters this ladys whippet has had as its non of my business as its fukn none of yours either. she was bought as a lurcher as for one geoff you always argue that a whip greyhound is a lurcher...as do the folk here who have only came into racing and got a whip greys.

As in all sports success brings hatred which for the first time ever over here ive experienced but hey no probs.. some people cant cope..i can.

Jac with all best intentions you got me interested in non-peds...so after some success with China i thought id give it a go....after all this crap i wasnt going to but do you know what..i just fukn might..pending the results of the Spanish Inquistion Dna. Then well see how sporting you lot are !

friom the first wins with her i had to have her measured 4 and 5 times at some shows here...then i got a letter thru my door accusing me of using drugs on dogs (sorry that happens in england not here) ...

what next..will she be too black ?..too many teeth ..?

Im taking her to the best known vet in ireland along with a camera the correct forms and swab kit and a letter made out for the vet to sign !! and if you dont like it you can all go and get stuffed !

The results will prove her mother is not what the Witches have claimed and passed on word to over here !! Then maybe youll go pick on somebody else !

IM GOING TO TAKE GREAT PLEASURE IN RUBBING YOUR NOSES IN IT !!

SO YOU CAN LIKE ME LOVE ME OR LOATHE ME...THATS THE DEAL !!

NOW CAN WE LEAVE THIS ALONE TILL I HAVE THE DNA DONE ?

[SIZE=14pt]OVER AND OUT [/SIZE] :thumbsup:

 

[TC]

Oooh I can't wait to see the 'Apologies' thread John (w00t)

I didn't realise people were doubting China's parentage, and it's a shame you've had to go down this route, but won't it be sweet to be able to prove them all wrong.

Jealousy is a horrible thing :angry:

TCx

 

[Vicky]

I for one, think it is a very sorry state of affairs that John has had to go down the DNA route.

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I agree. This matter will not rest now though until John has this done - be it in non ped racing or lurcher racing, John has been left with no other option, i'm sure as i've said to him already (taking the fact he's already had her height questioned) if the results come back and say she's exactly what the breeder says she is then the next will be she's on drugs or such, a very fickle sport we're in!

People questioning her breeding has not been kept under wraps by any stretch of the imagination and that is what i think's quite sad, everyone now thinks there's no smoke without fire. John has been as open as he can be about the breeding of his dog to me and many other mates from the day he got her. Never at any point has he said he couldn't tell me the name of the sire or the dam, he did however have minimal information as in John's words "the sire sold it for me". It's not impossible that we wouldn't know the whippet mother, after all there are a hell of a lot of un-kc reg whippets along with those used for coursing etc.

How does it go now "Innocent until proven guilty".

Where this leaves the other dogs that have been brought into the equation i don't know.

 

[jasper.]

because of a couple of peoples remarks that i have being told about ,..any body wanting my young dog dna testing with him being on the big side, then i dont mind, and if he is not a cross breed,then i will pay, happily, and with no hard feelings to. otherwise you pay..ok.

 

[stormydog]

Right, first person to ask what a ordinary whippet house dog is, and I'll throw this f ing pc through the window.

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well, have a look in your nearest park...little mrs johnson with her whippet and poodle.....i class her dog as a housey type whippet.

sorry for using ordinary terms.....but what other way can you describe it.

sorry i didnt know whippets had to be either hunting or racing whippets, can they not just be ones that sit indoors and watch the simpsons ?

 

[wild whippies]

Right, first person to ask what a ordinary whippet house dog is, and I'll throw this f ing pc through the window.

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Buffy (second dog along on my signature)

She's not the Mummy though! :teehee:

 

[rodders]

FOR EVERYONE WHO IS NOW SHITTING THEIR PANTS..WHICH I KNEW YOU WOULD
chinas mum was never mentioned about as being a non-ped or a predigree whippet..ever !!!  shes an ordinary whippet house dog belonging to an ordinary lady. I DONT HAVE TO GIVE FUK ALL details other than that  :rant:  

The accusations here started by Rodders and Hellbound and cruised along with the aid of friends in england and ireland that stated she was outve  called mean little jean and ningbo jack.  none of which were correct.

I told everyone at the onset when i got her who her dad was and where she came from. if i hadve wanted to bullshit anyone do you not think idve gave completely different country and names as to where i got her....not forgetting im in england every couple of weeks and in fact my sisters neighbour in Bourne offered me a pup that too was whip grey....but no i have fuk all to hide unlike a few on here.

After months of innuendos and all but saying my name a certain little gang formed and pressed and pressed until finally i decided enuff enuff of this and its time i cleared my little girls parentage up.  im under no obligation to do this and in fact i should ask for quite a few dna results from what ive seen that are supposed to be fukn whippets.  but as i can see the psychopathic  persuit and rants have left me with no option.  I dont have to tell anyone where or how many litters this ladys whippet has had as its non of my business as its fukn none of yours either.  she was bought  as a lurcher as for one geoff you always argue that a whip greyhound is a lurcher...as do the folk here who have only came into racing and got a whip greys. 

As in all sports success brings hatred which for the first time ever over here ive experienced but hey no probs..  some people cant cope..i can.

Jac with all best intentions you got me interested in non-peds...so after some success with China i thought id give it a go....after all this crap i wasnt going to  but do you know what..i just fukn might..pending the results of the Spanish Inquistion Dna.  Then well see how sporting you lot are !

friom the first wins with her i had to have her measured 4 and 5 times at some shows here...then i got a letter thru my door accusing me of using drugs on dogs  (sorry that happens in england  not here)  ...

what next..will she be too black ?..too many teeth  ..?

Im taking her to the best known vet in ireland along with a camera the correct forms and swab kit and a letter made out for the vet to sign !!  and if you dont like it you can all go and get stuffed !

The results will prove her mother is not what the Witches have claimed and passed on word to over here !!  Then maybe youll go pick on somebody else !

IM GOING TO TAKE GREAT PLEASURE IN RUBBING YOUR NOSES IN IT !!

SO YOU CAN LIKE ME LOVE ME OR LOATHE ME...THATS THE DEAL !!

NOW CAN WE LEAVE THIS ALONE TILL I HAVE THE DNA DONE ?

[SIZE=14pt]OVER AND OUT [/SIZE] :thumbsup:

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You don't get away with that John and expect me to keep quiet.Perhaps you'ld like to inform everyone who told you or should I say warned you of accusations against China :angry: and that the objection would only be raised if you attempted to register with the BWRA.You have already accused me of informing the lurcher fraternity in Ireland of the suspiscions about Chinas breeding,and if I am also to have done that then maybe you could come up with the proof of this tor perhaps name the person that I am supposed to have spoken too also.I believe you'll find that very difficult to do.If you want the DNA test done to shut me and any others up as you put it.Then don't bother going to any expense on my account if you're going to do this then do it properly.Let me know when you are next coming over to England after Lunar has had her whippet pups she's due around September the 10th and I will ensure that Lunar is made available for DNA testing with China,at no expense to yourself the test will be carried out on both by a vetand with as many independent witnesses that you require including you friends in non ped should you wish them there.Then the results can openly be published on here

Karen witch 1 or 2 i'll let you choose

 

[mutley]

think this topics run its cause :- " and no one can blame stormy for beein anoyed like vicky said inocent until proven otherwise if china was crap would anyone bat an eye lid (w00t)

 

[Paws123]

has the dog ever run at any bwra or nnwrf event along side the none ped scr dogs

 

[Vicky]

The dog has never run in a BWRA or NNWRF event. She has however raced in an event against open class non ped scratch dogs.

 

[peony]

think this topics run its cause :- "  and no one can blame stormy for beein anoyed like vicky said inocent until proven otherwise  if china was crap would anyone bat an eye  lid  (w00t)

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How true :wacko:

 

[Paws123]

The dog has never run in a BWRA or NNWRF event.  She has however raced in an event against open class non ped scratch dogs.

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Then what has the breeding of china got to do with our none ped racers...i am sure the right procedure of any person registering a dog will go through the organizations registrar , and they will then make a decision on it ...not certain people putting there 2 Penny's worth in before the owner is aware weather his dogs registrations been accepted

As stated before if a registrar thinks a new registration is Sus i am sure they will do there jobs and sort it out

 

[stormydog]

Ive already stated shel be DNA when i say which incidently will be as soon as possible..not when you say. if you want to get your bitch swabbed go ahead and send it to the same place as my vet will send chinas.

ill be using the best and most expensive vet over here so i expect the accusers to trust the vet, ill be taking pix of the procedure...and the correct forms etc will im sure be filled in by this vet practice.

if that doesnt suit you then DROP YOUR ACCUSATIONS !

i wouldnt ley any of you crowd over there touch a fukn hair on my dogs back !! :rant:

IM NOT SAYING IT AGAIN..................

LET IT DROP TILL THE RESULTS COME THRU...OR IS THAT TOO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ...THEN YOU CAN ALL SHOOT MY DOGS OR HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME

 

[rodders]

Ive already stated shel be DNA when i say which incidently will be as soon as possible..not when you say. if you want to get your bitch swabbed go ahead and send it to the same place as my vet will send chinas.
ill be using the best and most expensive vet over here so i expect the accusers to trust the vet,  ill be taking pix of the procedure...and the correct forms etc will im sure be filled in by this vet practice.

if that doesnt suit you then DROP YOUR ACCUSATIONS !

i wouldnt ley any of you crowd over there touch a fukn hair on my dogs back !!  :rant:

IM NOT SAYING IT AGAIN..................

LET IT DROP TILL THE RESULTS COME THRU...OR IS THAT TOO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ...THEN YOU CAN ALL SHOOT MY DOGS OR HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME

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You saying all that,will not make me accept any results John Both parties and both dogs need to be present and both not touched by either us or you,and i'll go one further You pick the vet over here and i've already stated you pick the location over here it shouldn't put you out if your coming to race and the vet fees and dna tests wont cost you a penny.Aren't you over for Lurcherworld finals in October.Lunar will have had her pups by then so we will all be able to attend