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[stormydog]

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Ive already stated shel be DNA when i say which incidently will be as soon as possible..not when you say. if you want to get your bitch swabbed go ahead and send it to the same place as my vet will send chinas.
ill be using the best and most expensive vet over here so i expect the accusers to trust the vet,  ill be taking pix of the procedure...and the correct forms etc will im sure be filled in by this vet practice.

if that doesnt suit you then DROP YOUR ACCUSATIONS !

i wouldnt ley any of you crowd over there touch a fukn hair on my dogs back !!  :rant:

IM NOT SAYING IT AGAIN..................

LET IT DROP TILL THE RESULTS COME THRU...OR IS THAT TOO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ...THEN YOU CAN ALL SHOOT MY DOGS OR HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME

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You saying all that,will not make me accept any results John Both parties and both dogs need to be present and both not touched by either us or you,and i'll go one further You pick the vet over here and i've already stated you pick the location over here it shouldn't put you out if your coming to race and the vet fees and dna tests wont cost you a penny.Aren't you over for Lurcherworld finals in October.Lunar will have had her pups by then so we will all be able to attend

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both parties dont need to be there karen...and im already getting the feeling you wont accept the results anyway.

its as i say or forget it !! i wont be anywhere near any of you ver again as the past couple of weeks has sickened the life right outve me.

you get her swabbed asap before she has pups. thats the deal.

 

[peony]

Ive already stated shel be DNA when i say which incidently will be as soon as possible..not when you say. if you want to get your bitch swabbed go ahead and send it to the same place as my vet will send chinas.
ill be using the best and most expensive vet over here so i expect the accusers to trust the vet,  ill be taking pix of the procedure...and the correct forms etc will im sure be filled in by this vet practice.

if that doesnt suit you then DROP YOUR ACCUSATIONS !

i wouldnt ley any of you crowd over there touch a fukn hair on my dogs back !!  :rant:

IM NOT SAYING IT AGAIN..................

LET IT DROP TILL THE RESULTS COME THRU...OR IS THAT TOO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ...THEN YOU CAN ALL SHOOT MY DOGS OR HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME

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You saying all that,will not make me accept any results John Both parties and both dogs need to be present and both not touched by either us or you,and i'll go one further You pick the vet over here and i've already stated you pick the location over here it shouldn't put you out if your coming to race and the vet fees and dna tests wont cost you a penny.Aren't you over for Lurcherworld finals in October.Lunar will have had her pups by then so we will all be able to attend

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Seems to me John, you might as well give up racing your dogs now as it seems some people are never going to be happy, whatever you do :- "

 

[Paws123]

Why are you so determined Karen to see this dog tested ...its never ran under any governing bodies none ped.... as far as i am aware the dogs registration has not been accepted ... this is a none pedigree section of k9

If john has his test done and its proved the dog has none ped whippet in its breeding some where along the lines then non one can question it

I don't think its your solo responsibility to tell the owner (john) how, where and when to have his dogs DNA done ...

I think its big of him to have it done and be prepared to let us know on k9 the outcome

As for the bitches DNA why would that be needed ...all anyone has to know about china is there whippet blood present in her... that makes her eligible to race none ped in my books

 

[Vicky]

I don't get the plan of action. Say China & Luna meet up, get swabbed etc and turns out China is not a daughter of hers, this goes nowhere to proving whether China is a greyhound or not, just that she isn't Luna's.

Is the argument here that China is a greyhound or that Luna is her mum???

 

[rodders]

Ive already stated shel be DNA when i say which incidently will be as soon as possible..not when you say. if you want to get your bitch swabbed go ahead and send it to the same place as my vet will send chinas.
ill be using the best and most expensive vet over here so i expect the accusers to trust the vet,  ill be taking pix of the procedure...and the correct forms etc will im sure be filled in by this vet practice.

if that doesnt suit you then DROP YOUR ACCUSATIONS !

i wouldnt ley any of you crowd over there touch a fukn hair on my dogs back !!  :rant:

IM NOT SAYING IT AGAIN..................

LET IT DROP TILL THE RESULTS COME THRU...OR IS THAT TOO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ...THEN YOU CAN ALL SHOOT MY DOGS OR HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME

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You saying all that,will not make me accept any results John Both parties and both dogs need to be present and both not touched by either us or you,and i'll go one further You pick the vet over here and i've already stated you pick the location over here it shouldn't put you out if your coming to race and the vet fees and dna tests wont cost you a penny.Aren't you over for Lurcherworld finals in October.Lunar will have had her pups by then so we will all be able to attend

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both parties dont need to be there karen...and im already getting the feeling you wont accept the results anyway.

its as i say or forget it !! i wont be anywhere near any of you ver again as the past couple of weeks has sickened the life right outve me.

you get her swabbed asap before she has pups. thats the deal.

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Vicky the allegation was that China was an offspring of Lunar,and therefore full greyhound,which is why a test is needed on both parties,to prove if there is any mother daughter relationship between them.There is no question over the sire being a greyhound John himself told me China is out of Droopys Leroy.If the test comes back positive then it prooves she is full greyhound.

Denise,John has accused me by name of starting accusations to which i didn't start.

I also did not bring this topic onto K9.John has accused me of making the accusations,he has also named Lunar.John himself as said he'd have a DNA test done,I didn't ask him too,but if a DNA test is done then it needs to be done with both dogs present.John is the one determined in having China tested,all I am doing is stating that if he insists then I believe the only correct way would be to have both China and her supposed mother together when the test is done.

 

[Vicky]

And if the test proves Lunar isn't China's mother?

 

[mutley]

And if the test proves Lunar isn't China's mother?

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my thoughts also :blink:

 

[Vicky]

Personally if i were John, first place i'd be getting swabs was this Whippet bitch that i'd been told was the mother by the breeder.

It's hard to see where Lunar comes into it from my point of view but then i only know one side to the story.

 

[stormydog]

RIGHT WILL YOU ALL FUKN LISTEN !!!!!!!!!!?????????

THE QUESTION WAS IS CHINA OUTVE LUNAR ( WHO INCIDENTLY KAREN I NEVER MENTIONED !! I HADNT EVEN HEARD THE NAME TILL YOU SAID IT !)

SO NOW ITS IS SHE A FULL GREYHOUND .

IVE TOLD AND TOLD AGAIN WHAT SHES OUTVE BUT TYPICAL ENGLISH YOU DONT LISTEN !!

SHES NOT OUTVE LUNAR SHES OUTVE A PET WHIPPET AND WHENI PROVE IT YOURE GOIUNG TO LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF xxx THAT YOU ARE !!

IVE SAID MY LAST ON THIS AND WONT BE BACK ON TILL IVE DNA CHINA.

 

[mutley]

:luck: john hope you put it to rest once and for all cant blame ya for being angry :unsure:

 

[wild whippies]

John I know you say you won't respond until the DNA testing results are back but there's a few things you need to know before you spend any money so please take this on board.

If you go ahead with the parentage testing...

You need to see and accompany this whippet for it's DNA testing. The reason being for example is I could claim Dobby was a pedigree whippet, swab one of my peds and no-one would be any the wiser.

The reason you need to be there is to ensure that things are done correctly so there's no come back.

The dog needs to be examined by an independant vet who will state that the dog is either whippet or lurcher in appearance (preferably presented in a passport form of certification using photographs like the Pedigree Whippet Racing passports do), they alone should obtain the swab / blood test so that the sample given can be confirmed as being taken from that specific dog.

The vets statement together with the DNA parentage report should then be infallible as evidence.

I would strongly advise anyone with a non-ped to avoid any current form of breed testing (different from parentage testing). The reason being is that they cannot quantify the amount of breed within a cross bred dog unless it amounts to over 50% of a pure bred dog.

To understand what I mean, say Soapy Joe (50/50 GHD X Whip) lined a greyhound, (see trial pedigree below)

Soapy Joe X Greyhound

His offspring could easily equate to more then 50% greyhound DNA material and thus the laboratory would state the dog was a pure bred greyhound.

Until they can quantify the amount of DNA from each breed within a non-ped then I would avoid this form of testing. It'll be interesting if this ever happens because there could be repercussions if any racing organisations instate a 'level' of greyhound DNA within a registerable non-ped whippet. The question I posted a year ago would apply, where do you draw the line on what's a non-ped and what's a greyhound?

Anyone who encounters the same issues that John has should opt for the parentage testing together with a vets statement.

I also think both racing organisations need to put in place their desired requirements should the matter arise again because I suspect it probably will.

I have directly approached AHT laboratory with my questions of what is and what isn't possible using my own dog's pedigree as an example. I'll keep you posted with their responses.

 

[trac]

RIGHT WILL YOU ALL FUKN LISTEN !!!!!!!!!!?????????
THE QUESTION WAS IS CHINA OUTVE LUNAR ( WHO INCIDENTLY KAREN I NEVER MENTIONED !!  I HADNT EVEN HEARD THE  NAME TILL YOU SAID IT !)

SO NOW  ITS IS SHE A FULL GREYHOUND .

YOURE A BUNCH OF SAD BASTRDS !!  IVE TOLD AND TOLD AGAIN WHAT SHES OUTVE BUT TYPICAL  ENGLISH YOU DONT LISTEN !!

SHES NOT OUTVE LUNAR  SHES OUTVE A PET WHIPPET AND  WHENI PROVE IT YOURE GOIUNG TO LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF BXXXSTRDX  THAT  YOU ARE !!

IVE SAID MY LAST ON THIS  AND WONT BE BACK ON TILL IVE DNA CHINA.

GO GET A LIFE  :rant:   :rant:

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ive enjoyed watching china race john

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

How important an issue is breeding in "non-ped racing" some dogs in the past have carried 7/8s G/hnd & been classed as whippets. As for lurchers breeding can go anyway, lot's of the Saluki "crosses" look near as dammit full Saluki's. It's dog's running on football fields after rags & string ffs. No ones gonna get rich off it Jeez!!! I can remember when Lurcher racing was a few beers & a laugh now it's more serious than the Derby off the sounds of it.

Terry Smith

 

[hely]

You lot should be ashamed at yourselves................i am shocked at the way you are treating a fellow k9'er

so much jealousy !!!!

so very very sad !!!!!

 

[Judy]

This subject is closed. Again! I think you have all had your say over & over on this matter and we do not wish K9 to be used to hound people.

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