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[whippynit]

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Years ago when I was Ben's age about 14 we had a jrt. He was an old dog a a bit aggressive when on his lead towards  other dogs althoughfine with others when running free.
  One day I was walking Tim I was being folowed by a man walking a greyhound and a rough collie. I asked the man if it was ok for me to loose Tim the man said yes his dogs weren't aggressive. Tim was happily running around when suddenly the greyhound dived forward and grabbed Tim .The man had to nearly strangle the grey to get it to let him loose Luckkily Tim survived althought the vet said the dogs fang had missed his brain by less than an inch.

  The next time I saw the man the grey was muzzled But this does not mean every greyhound is nasty and will attack I now own 2 greyhounds of my own. It took me along time to get so I didn't cross the road every time I saw a greyhound.Obviously this grey thought Tim was a fluffy rabbit running in the grass.

  It is definitely the deed not the breed. I know many bull breeds who go to ring craft and live locally and don't know any ones that are aggressive or nasty

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No it means that guys greyhound was dog aggresive and he took the correct measures when that trait was discovered, unfortunately with bull breeds they have been selectively bred over 100's of years to display a favourable trait which is agression ie bull baiting dog fighting etc so it can be taken as a given that a high percentage of these breeds will still pocess that trait that is why they should have compulsory muzzling. It is definately the BREED! sighthounds are bred to hunt and for their speed, blood hounds for tracking, labs for gun work, and bulldogs for ????????? yes you will get all breeds that will be aggresive but bull breeds are bred for that purpose it does'nt take a genius to read trough the threads and see how many people have had a bad experience with these dogs,

"It is definitely the deed not the breed. I know many bull breeds who go to ring craft and live locally and don't know any ones that are aggressive or nasty"

tell that to my sister and neice who were attacked by a neighbours staff whilst walking their airedale on a lead

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so sighthounds where bred to hunt so does that mean they should be kept on the lead at all times incase they chase and kill something that moves then? if your opinion is you cant overide or control the inbred instinct for bull breeds then surely that would be the case for all breeds for in which purpose they were bred?

 

[whippynit]

Years ago when I was Ben's age about 14 we had a jrt. He was an old dog a a bit aggressive when on his lead towards  other dogs althoughfine with others when running free.
  One day I was walking Tim I was being folowed by a man walking a greyhound and a rough collie. I asked the man if it was ok for me to loose Tim the man said yes his dogs weren't aggressive. Tim was happily running around when suddenly the greyhound dived forward and grabbed Tim .The man had to nearly strangle the grey to get it to let him loose Luckkily Tim survived althought the vet said the dogs fang had missed his brain by less than an inch.

  The next time I saw the man the grey was muzzled But this does not mean every greyhound is nasty and will attack I now own 2 greyhounds of my own. It took me along time to get so I didn't cross the road every time I saw a greyhound.Obviously this grey thought Tim was a fluffy rabbit running in the grass.

  It is definitely the deed not the breed. I know many bull breeds who go to ring craft and live locally and don't know any ones that are aggressive or nasty

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No it means that guys greyhound was dog aggresive and he took the correct measures when that trait was discovered, unfortunately with bull breeds they have been selectively bred over 100's of years to display a favourable trait which is agression ie bull baiting dog fighting etc so it can be taken as a given that a high percentage of these breeds will still pocess that trait that is why they should have compulsory muzzling. It is definately the BREED! sighthounds are bred to hunt and for their speed, blood hounds for tracking, labs for gun work, and bulldogs for ????????? yes you will get all breeds that will be aggresive but bull breeds are bred for that purpose it does'nt take a genius to read trough the threads and see how many people have had a bad experience with these dogs,

"It is definitely the deed not the breed. I know many bull breeds who go to ring craft and live locally and don't know any ones that are aggressive or nasty"

tell that to my sister and neice who were attacked by a neighbours staff whilst walking their airedale on a lead

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so sighthounds where bred to hunt so does that mean they should be kept on the lead at all times incase they chase and kill something that moves then? if your opinion is you cant overide or control the inbred instinct for bull breeds then surely that would be the case for all breeds for in which purpose they were bred?

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yes but this wasnt the dog/dogs that were at oakmoorehills ringcraft so why should they be penalised?? Perhaps if so anti bull breeds peeps go crufts on terrier day and look at all these breeds calmy laying on their benches and interacting with other people/dogs you might see how nice tempered dogs they can be :- "

 

[posh totty]

i was at a show in essex last year when we had to carry our dogs past an aggressive staff :rant: the chap refused to move and the gangway was blocked unless you carried and put up with the snarling , his other 2 tipped the cage over trying to have a go at other dogs , shortly before we left we made a complaint along with many others at the show about the man and his dogs , then it happened a lady walking two leonberger pups ( both on leads) then had one of hers cheek ripped open as this dog flew :rant: the lady had her arm mauled as well :rant: the blokes answer was well you should come past him!!!! FFS he was in the gangway!!!!! :rant: the show organisers then asked him to remove himself and his dogs :thumbsup:

proper sensible love care and attention along with training is the only way to go with any dog, sadly those whom have some of these breeds dont do that and ultimately it is either other dogs/pets / kids or the dogs themselves that suffer

im not a fan of bull breeds they just aint my cup of tea but many do and its sad when the minority spoil things for the majority :thumbsup:

 

[masta]

Years ago when I was Ben's age about 14 we had a jrt. He was an old dog a a bit aggressive when on his lead towards  other dogs althoughfine with others when running free.
  One day I was walking Tim I was being folowed by a man walking a greyhound and a rough collie. I asked the man if it was ok for me to loose Tim the man said yes his dogs weren't aggressive. Tim was happily running around when suddenly the greyhound dived forward and grabbed Tim .The man had to nearly strangle the grey to get it to let him loose Luckkily Tim survived althought the vet said the dogs fang had missed his brain by less than an inch.

  The next time I saw the man the grey was muzzled But this does not mean every greyhound is nasty and will attack I now own 2 greyhounds of my own. It took me along time to get so I didn't cross the road every time I saw a greyhound.Obviously this grey thought Tim was a fluffy rabbit running in the grass.

  It is definitely the deed not the breed. I know many bull breeds who go to ring craft and live locally and don't know any ones that are aggressive or nasty

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No it means that guys greyhound was dog aggresive and he took the correct measures when that trait was discovered, unfortunately with bull breeds they have been selectively bred over 100's of years to display a favourable trait which is agression ie bull baiting dog fighting etc so it can be taken as a given that a high percentage of these breeds will still pocess that trait that is why they should have compulsory muzzling. It is definately the BREED! sighthounds are bred to hunt and for their speed, blood hounds for tracking, labs for gun work, and bulldogs for ????????? yes you will get all breeds that will be aggresive but bull breeds are bred for that purpose it does'nt take a genius to read trough the threads and see how many people have had a bad experience with these dogs,

"It is definitely the deed not the breed. I know many bull breeds who go to ring craft and live locally and don't know any ones that are aggressive or nasty"

tell that to my sister and neice who were attacked by a neighbours staff whilst walking their airedale on a lead

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so sighthounds where bred to hunt so does that mean they should be kept on the lead at all times incase they chase and kill something that moves then? if your opinion is you cant overide or control the inbred instinct for bull breeds then surely that would be the case for all breeds for in which purpose they were bred?

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yes it does. i keep all mine on a lead apart from free running on moorland, you can overide instinct to a point but the problem is instinct in bull breeds is to lock on and rag till dead i think i have said all i can on this subject you are happy with your dog and i hope you have a problem free life many don't and i will continue to treat the BREED with extreme caution regardless of who is on the other end of the lead can i just add my father bred EBT's in the 60's and 70's and i witness'ed first hand what these dogs are capable of

 

[oakmoorehill]

Years ago when I was Ben's age about 14 we had a jrt. He was an old dog a a bit aggressive when on his lead towards  other dogs althoughfine with others when running free.
  One day I was walking Tim I was being folowed by a man walking a greyhound and a rough collie. I asked the man if it was ok for me to loose Tim the man said yes his dogs weren't aggressive. Tim was happily running around when suddenly the greyhound dived forward and grabbed Tim .The man had to nearly strangle the grey to get it to let him loose Luckkily Tim survived althought the vet said the dogs fang had missed his brain by less than an inch.

  The next time I saw the man the grey was muzzled But this does not mean every greyhound is nasty and will attack I now own 2 greyhounds of my own. It took me along time to get so I didn't cross the road every time I saw a greyhound.Obviously this grey thought Tim was a fluffy rabbit running in the grass.

  It is definitely the deed not the breed. I know many bull breeds who go to ring craft and live locally and don't know any ones that are aggressive or nasty

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No it means that guys greyhound was dog aggresive and he took the correct measures when that trait was discovered, unfortunately with bull breeds they have been selectively bred over 100's of years to display a favourable trait which is agression ie bull baiting dog fighting etc so it can be taken as a given that a high percentage of these breeds will still pocess that trait that is why they should have compulsory muzzling. It is definately the BREED! sighthounds are bred to hunt and for their speed, blood hounds for tracking, labs for gun work, and bulldogs for ????????? yes you will get all breeds that will be aggresive but bull breeds are bred for that purpose it does'nt take a genius to read trough the threads and see how many people have had a bad experience with these dogs,

"It is definitely the deed not the breed. I know many bull breeds who go to ring craft and live locally and don't know any ones that are aggressive or nasty"

tell that to my sister and neice who were attacked by a neighbours staff whilst walking their airedale on a lead

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I still stand by what I say and I will piont out that William HAS been attacked by a staffy but I don't hold this against the breed.

As for ringcraft there is a staffy bitch that goes that was a happy friendly dog and she was fine with other dogs until one day she was attacked by a leonberger at ringcraft. Now that bitch can not be shown as she is terrified of big dogs and she was showing great potential in the ring

I am only speaking of my own experiences with these breed. Staffies are a popular dog around my area not just by the supposed hard men with hard dogs but also families

The greyhound was not dog aggresive as I put in my post a jrt running in long grass to a greyhound brain is a rabbit the grey lived with another dog in the mans house he raced it at flapping tracks

 

[~elizabeth~]

so sighthounds where bred to hunt so does that mean they should be kept on the lead at all times incase they chase and kill something that moves then?

Yes, they should in most circumstances unless you are absolutely sure there is nothing they can chase (and it's not just an issue of whether they catch it, they can also injure themselves in the process of trying). I cannot trust one of mine with livestock of any kind; despite training he is just not 100% trustworthy.

We have met some nice staffs, but the ones that have been sociable have all been bitches; entire males have been a different issue, though fortunately we have not had a serious problem yet.

 

[whippynit]

so sighthounds where bred to hunt so does that mean they should be kept on the lead at all times incase they chase and kill something that moves then?

Yes, they should in most circumstances unless you are absolutely sure there is nothing they can chase (and it's not just an issue of whether they catch it, they can also injure themselves in the process of trying). I cannot trust one of mine with livestock of any kind; despite training he is just not 100% trustworthy.

We have met some nice staffs, but the ones that have been sociable have all been bitches; entire males have been a different issue, though fortunately we have not had a serious problem yet.

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Well mine have plenty of free running, in my opinion not letting a running dog run would be most cruel IMO, Thats not to say i let them off in fields with livestock, but how can you possibly be sure there is nothing for them to chase? Rabbits, birds pop out of hedgerows, a cat could appear out of no where...what about people that go rabbiting? ( I dont personally BTW) Anyway, i think im going slightly off topic o

Our bull terrier is a neutered male BTW

 

[FeeFee]

One thing that always puzzles me is that so many people with aggressive or high prey drive dogs - of any breed - are reluctant to use muzzles.

Muzzles may upset the owners, because there is a stigma attached to them, but they don't worry the dogs at all once they are used to them. If people could be educated to see them as more 'normal' for dogs who aren't 100% with other dogs (or with people for that matter) we could all be a lot safer.

If you are trying to socialise a dog who is wary or snappy with other dogs, a muzzle makes things so much easier because you can be much more relaxed about allowing contact with other dogs. If you are having to strangle your dog back on the lead because you are worried how they will react, then you are making things worse.

Generally sighthound owners seem much more likely to make sensible use of muzzles than owners of other breeds, I have no idea why.

 

[wilfred]

We had a discussion at the training class I go to, about muzzles and this point was raised: it is amazing really - if you look, when you're out walking and see a muzzled dog, a lot of the general public (those who don't have a dog with them at the time) will actively avoid that dog, people will cross the road to avoid the muzzled dog. Yet he cannot bite them, because he is muzzled!!

It does still seem to have a huge stigma attached. I use a headcollar on my lad (Whippet) because he is very strong and it is easier to walk him on a headcollar than have my arm wrenched out when he suddenly spots a squirrel (even in our town centre!! the squirrels were raiding the bins). But I have heard remarks to the effect that my dog is muzzled; generally I smile and explain what the dog is actually wearing and why.

 

[~elizabeth~]

Well mine have plenty of free running, in my opinion not letting a running dog run would be most cruel IMO, Thats not to say i let them off in fields with livestock, but how can you possibly be sure there is nothing for them to chase? Rabbits, birds pop out of hedgerows, a cat could appear out of no  where...what about people that go rabbiting? ( I dont personally BTW)  Anyway, i think im going slightly off topic o  

Ours have twice daily free running, but I have to make very sure what is around. This is possible because our walking area is a huge ancient perfectly flat watermeadow where you can literally see every dog, horse, cow or roe deer that is around for about 1/2 a mile. They also race and lurecourse most weekends. However, I have to be rather more careful in my own garden as we have muntjac deer wandering in and out.

People who go rabbiting have dogs that are both highly trained, and usually from strains that they know are biddable. And yes, anything can pop out from anywhere, a muntjac calmly walked in front of us on the pavement last night for instance and luckily I have a very firm grip!

 

[Jaydiiee]

That is appaling :rant: :rant: makes me sorry angry!

We have alot of 'Chavs' around here with dogs like pitbulls and staffordishir bull terriers which they think comes across as hard, so that they look more tough. Which they are in most cases. Most dogs are becoming fashion items now and don't care what happens to them, like Paris hilton and her chiwuhaha when it gets to 'big' she gives it to her mum..

To think that they laughed at the scene is just disgraceful! I hope he dies a painful death!

 

[emma5673]

hey all,
its taken me a few hours to sit down and right this as i have been very upset.

i took little D to sutton park ( u will know the one kris) about 5pm, i had my mp3 on as always and lucky for me there was a gang of kids so i had kept dana on the lead till we passed as she dont like loud lads. we hadnt been in the park long when i saw what looked very much like a pitbull come thundering over to a little old lady and her jrt cross, cos i had my mp3 on i didnt hear anything at first and thougth they were playing, till the pitbull chased the little jack across the park.. then a road before pinning it to the ground and raggedit!!!!

it let go of the little dog and started to run off but the little dog tried to get back to its owner, the pitbull saw it move and went back and attacked it again. the poor woman was frantic trying to get it off her dog but the bastard chav that owened it thought it was soooooo funny!!!

an older guy was passing me at the time with a very old lab and i dont think he had seen what had just happened cos it was on the far side of the park, he said to me ive just seen a woman, she told me her dog had just been attacked by a white pitbull so keep ur eye out, i replyed that one over there is it? its just had another dog. as we were talking about getting out of the park the pitbull ran 100 yards across the field and attacked a small mongrel that was on the lead, its owner was another old man and he was franticlly try to pick his dog up and keep the f***ing bull off it.

i felt terrible but all i could do was pickup dana and run with her, she is so small and she might have more balls than brains but she wouldnt of stood a chance, as i got avross the main road i heard another dog start screaming, im sure it was that old lab cos the bull was making its way towards us the last time i saw it.

as soon as i got home i phoned the police and they said someone would be out within  the hour but its prob of gone by then.

i could kill the bastard chav that owns it, all he did was laugh and take a swing a one of the gang of lads that tried to help the old man.

ive always been judge the deed not the breed but that dogs wants shooting and its owner along with it, im so glad i got dana out of there without being hurt but i feel so sick when i think of the 4 (at least) that this bull attacked 

i dont think i will ever forget the screams   

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I had a similar incident the other day, 2 lads with 3 bitbull type dogs. They let them off the lead and they were runing wild. Having a go at mine, who i kept on a lead for safety! They just carried on walking. The 3 dogs were running around the kids , etc. Wasn't nice....Again these lads given these dogs a bad mane.

I have since spoken to the dog warden who said he would patrol the field to see if he could catch them to talk to them. Since this happened i have seen them wlking the streets with the dogs on lead. Saw thm tonight the dog still lunged out at mine. Did mention should this keep happening that they cant control there dogs i would put a comlaint in .

 

[wigglesworth]

That is such a terrible story

:rant: I had a run in with pitbulls this morning. As I was walking towards our local park I saw a young man with two pitbull or pitbull mixes (I'm absolutely sure they had pitbull in them, they were too fine to be staffs) and the two dogs were running along in front of him unleashed :rant: :rant: :rant:

He just stood there while they went over to a corner of the park and did their business :rant: :rant: No hope in hell that he would pick up after them. :x :angry: I was too scared to approach or confront him, I just let him get ahead and then kept a very, very wide berth.

Can't help thinking what would have happened if I'd left home a few minutes earlier and my dogs were already off leash when he and his two approached :unsure: And what if there had been kids in the park?

Definitely going to call the dog warden :rant:

 

[Happy Humber]

With all these idiots about is it any wonder so many councils are going for dog control orders making everyone keep their dogs on the lead :angry:

 

[kris]

thats the trouble.we will all end up paying for our dogs freedom due to these irresponsible owners

 

[FeeFee]

Did the dogs in the park actually do anything to make you think they were aggressive or would be dangerous to children?

I don't want to be negative about this thread, some people have obviously had bad experiences, but Pitbulls are a banned breed and it is illegal to keep them. Most of the cases I've heard of where 'real' Pitbulls have been found have been hidden away in basements by fighting rings, not running around openly in the local park.

Putbulls are generally larger and heavier built than staffies, but there are lots of crossbreeds around that people assume are 'Pitbulls' - my friend's staffie x boxer is always being acused of being a 'Pitbull', to the point where she is worried about taking her out because she could easily be siezed under the DDA just for being a 'Pitbull type' even though her breeding is known.

Obviously meeting an aggressive dog when you are with your dogs is a horrible and very frightening experience, I tend to avoid ANY unknown offlead dogs when I'm out wth mine, but I really do get fed up with people assuming every slightly bully-looking dog they see in the distance is an evil killer who will rip their dogs to pieces and dine on small children for desert.

 

[kris]

Fee where we live pits are two a penny banned or not.im afraid when i see one of these heading my way off the lead with a chav or two trailing behind im not about to stop and ask the parentage or pedigree of their dog!remember the little girl who was killed by her uncles dog? that was in the town where i live.the police then took away a number of pits from the locality.everyone knows theres pits round here but getting them taken away is another matter. :thumbsup: i can take you to a dozen houses now where pits are kept.but if the police went round the dogs would disappear for a day or two then come back.the lads who have these dogs dont give a toss what happens to them.if theyre taken away theyll just go buy another

 

[naylorwhippets]

maybe if you had a dog that had been savaged or a child killed or maimed by one of these breeds you would just be as paronoid comments like yours are not needed and uncalled for. :wacko: :wacko: .

 

[naylorwhippets]

kris i did not mean you i ment the person who posted before you , you posted while i was posting :thumbsup:

 

[kris]

kris i did not mean you i ment the person who posted before you , you posted while i was posting :thumbsup:

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lol thats ok hun! :thumbsup: i dont have a problem with people sticking up for these dogs.everyones entitled to their opinion. im honest enough to admit it im scared of them (pits and some staffy crosses)but its cos the people who own these dogs round our way are 99% total idiots.if their dog savaged yours and you called the police theyd just run off and leave the dog.they arent dog lovers theyre dog keepers who want a dog thats as savage as possible.their idea of a good dog is one like the one that Dana encountered in the beginning of this thread.one that attacks everything in sight and does as much damage as possible.im sure theres lots of people own staffies and staffy crosses that are good dogs and who are responsible owners. :thumbsup: its just that if every time you meet one theyre idjeets then unfortunately you base your opinions on what your experiences are.likewise if youve owned staffies and staffy crosses and theyve been good dogs then youll say hang on not all these dogs are bad dogs.i know every rescue i see at the moment is full of staffy and staffy crosses.i feel so sorry for the dogs cos they didnt ask to be owned by total prats the poor dogs are always the ones to suffer at the hands of man