Breed Standard Question.

[AnnSa]

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The breed standard say's.......

 

'Body

Chest very deep with plenty of heart room. Well filled in front. Brisket deep. Broad, well muscled back, firm, somewhat long, showing graceful arch over the loin but not humped. Ribs well sprung. Loin giving impression of strength and power. Definite tuck up '

 

But when does an arch become a hump.

Can someone show me some pictures pointing out the difference please.

Oh and what's a tuck up

 

[Noise]

not very good with technical terms... tuck up is the tummy being ''tucked in'' as with all sighthounds, so the waist looks slim not thick.

 

[affieluver]

found this probably no help :lol:

http://www.americanwhippetclub.net/nationa...93/1993/216.jpg

maybe someone will put a proper pic on for you too so you can see the difference

 

[T Hoare]

Replied to this on another forum

 

[GotWhippet?]

Everyone will reply to this differently OR will say the same thing but show different pictures. Which is why there is difference in type. It's all about interpretation.

 

[Ridgesetter]

Hope this helps.

"TUCK UP

syn. cut-up

The appearance produced by the abdomen's underline as it sweeps upwards into the flank and/or hindquarters region. In some breeds, eg Whippet and Greyhound, the tuck-up is relatively sudden, acute and exaggerated by exceptionally deep chest development. In other breeds its presence varies from moderate, eg Miniature Pinscher, Dobermann, to barely noticeable, eg, Sussex Spaniel, Affenpinscher, Rottweiler. Also referred to as 'cut-up', et English Toy Terrier, French Bulldog, Manchester Terrier."

Taken from CANINE TERMINOLOGY by Dr Harry Spira BVSc.

In layman terms, you should see a deep chest and then a curve upwards to the belly. The dog shouldn't look tubular or thick through the loin. Will try and post jpeg of illustration.

As for when the arch becomes a hump. This is really personal interpretation. Same as when is black really black and not charcoal? One person may see cream and another gold in Golden Retrievers. What is heavy / long / fineboned is personal choice. Some believe some whippets are too long, others feel some are too short. Unfortunately, dog showing / breeding is a matter of interpretation and subjective and not an really objective and finite. We all see it differently and that's why we all keep breeding and showing.

Confusing when you're trying to learn so look at pictures, talk to everyone and make up your own mind.

Cheers

Toni

 

[netheredge]

Just ru¡n actoss this topic. Photos of to-day`s show whippets compared to those of 20/30 years ago certainly seem to have a less pronounced arch over the loin. Is there a difference between "a definite arch over the loin" as required in the KC 1987 standard to " a graceful arch " as appears in the 2007 standard together with other minor changes. Why change "definite" for "graceful".? Thanking you,

 

[seaspot_run]

With regard to the standard visualization drawing from the AWC posted earlier on this thread, the illustrated standard is being changed. That particular drawing. which has been around quite a long time, has long been the source of some dissatisfaction over here, so maybe when we have the new drawing which will be done this time by a professional artist, it will be worth posting a link to that for discussion.

It is my impression that in the US we are open to wider variations in topline than you are in the UK and that some of what is admired here would be considered too much arch over the loin.

But we're working towards more of a consensus.

Karen Lee

 

[aslan]

the dogs I'm using as examples were my own and are no longer with us.

Not enough arch

 

[aslan]

a bit too much, but I hasten to add because she wasn't stacked quite right. I wouldn't call her "humped". IMO (and this is what we're talking about with interpretation of the standard) 'Humped' is a real exaggeration of the arch, to almost looking 'pointy'.

 

[quintessence]

Just ru¡n actoss this topic. Photos of to-day`s show whippets compared to those of 20/30 years ago certainly seem to have a less pronounced arch over the loin. Is there a difference between "a definite arch over the loin" as required in the KC 1987 standard to " a graceful arch " as appears in the 2007 standard together with other minor changes. Why change "definite" for "graceful".? Thanking you,

This is an excellent question, I have always wondered about the reasons for changing a breed standard. I can understand the Kennel Club making changes for health reasons, but why would other changes be made. Is it is a case of changing the standard to fit the breed instead of changing the breed to fit the standard?

Jenny

 

[AnnSa]

Thanks for those picture, it helps to see what your talking

about doesnt it