Bull Cross And Bull Breeds Banned From West Sussex

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i was mooching through the countrymans this week i noticed the add for above show then at the end it stated no bull breeds or bull xs is this the start of dog discrimination creeping into the world of lurchers and terriers ? how has this show got a qualifier for chatsworth does the N.L.R.C. CONDONE this sort off discrimination in my opinion i support the deed not the breed theory this sort of thing is wrong bit like the hunting act any k9ers got an opinion on this sort thing 8) -_- :rant: :rant: :rant:

 

[bertha]

I can see where they are coming from, I always thought bull meant Pitbull, nothing else. Am I wrong??????

 

[FeeFee]

I thought most bull lurcher crosses were staffie x?

 

[TIGGERGOULD]

I can see where they are coming from, I always thought bull meant Pitbull, nothing else. Am I wrong??????

yes there are other bull breeds eg...staffordshire bull terrier, english bull terrier, bulldog, bull mastiff, french bulldog, american bull dog....etc etc...

 

[Debbie b]

majority of the bull x's you see at shows are pitbull x's

there is quite a lot of shows that wont have bull x's because unfortunately

they have been stereo typed because of a few idiots over the years coming to shows with aggressive ones,

which spoils it for the majority that have fab temperaments,

as for the nlrc i can't see them being able to dictate what classes shows have or not

and another thing a lot of judges are weary of judging bulls x's, i have never had a problem

my personal opinion is they are a lurcher so they have as much right to be shown and be judged fairly

 

[JessicaEdwards]

i don't like bulls x that much if i was running a show of my own i would not stop bull x's from coming cause they are still lurcher's and it would not start all this arguments over k9 and other sites, but if i came to a show with a bull x i would make sure that it is not aggressive in anyway.:/

 

[bertha]

Having been to a Companion Show some time ago where there were some "bull" crosses, I wouldn't want to witness the fight that went on in the back of a van that day. It was very unpleasant and the owners were asked to leave.

It only takes one bad owner to taint the good ones.

 

[FeeFee]

I've met quite a few bull x lurchers recently, though most of them were definitely staffie x not pitbull, and they have been the nicest temperament dogs you could wish for so I'd find it really sad to see them banned from shows just because of their breeding.

I can understand some reservations about Pitbull x simply because PB's are illegal, so anyone owning or breeding from them is breaking the law (in England, not Ireland).

There seem to be a lot more bull x lurchers around the last few years, every sighthound rescue seems to have loads of them and they often wait ages for homes because people are wary of them. It used to be that most lurchers looking for homes a few years ago were saluki x, now they are mainly bull x

 

[bertha]

Having been to a Companion Show some time ago where there were some "bull" crosses, I wouldn't want to witness the fight that went on in the back of a van that day. It was very unpleasant and the owners were asked to leave.It only takes one bad owner to taint the good ones.

These two were Pitbull x's.

 

[FeeFee]

How do you know?

Not arguing, just interested :thumbsup:

 

[tinker*]

i used to have a Bull x (he was about 1/4 staffie - maybe less)

He won loads, he was perfect to look at and only slightly wider face than most lurchers but was very muscled , very keen, and had fantastic feet. He did have a few staffie things about him like whining, crying, and very very keen. He was teh gentlest dog and never once growled at anyone or any dog.

But was hard work at times thou.

When I were showing him there were several shows that the judge at the end came and said he was the best dog but because he had "bull" in him they can not be seen to place him. - this saddened me at times because they were right he was the best dog in the class, he was well mannered, perfect to look at and a fantastic lurcher and working dog - which is not what they should have judging on! not what his ancestor was!

Personally i dont really like the "big" type of bull x , it takes away what a true lurcher should be...thats when a dog should be marked down in a class. But everyone should be allowed to compete. I think thou like in Horse showing, and pedigree dog sowing reports/feed back from the judges should be given?

I must admit thou - some "bull x" owners are people who you dont want at a family dog show...... but many are rescue dogs - like mine was that just want to enjoy a good day out?

 

[moretoniacarol@tiscali.co.uk]

Interesting topic ... when is a lurcher not a lurcher? do we now class lurchers as any site crossed with any other breed i still look for tradition in every breed espeicially lurchers. One thing that does worry me is why shows now seem to put on classes just for bull crosses if you want to call them lurchers then they should be in with the rest. Do we give extra classes to say kerry blue crosses or wheaten crosses. this isnt a complaint i just wondered how other lurcher folk think.

 

[moretoniacarol@tiscali.co.uk]

Interesting topic ... when is a lurcher not a lurcher? do we now class lurchers as any site crossed with any other breed i still look for tradition in every breed espeicially lurchers. One thing that does worry me is why shows now seem to put on classes just for bull crosses if you want to call them lurchers then they should be in with the rest. Do we give extra classes to say kerry blue crosses or wheaten crosses. this isnt a complaint i just wondered how other lurcher folk think.

 

[bertha]

How do you know?
Not arguing, just interested :thumbsup:

Because the owner was bragging about them! Very silly man.

 

[Fabapocalypse]

Interesting topic ... when is a lurcher not a lurcher? do we now class lurchers as any site crossed with any other breed i still look for tradition in every breed espeicially lurchers. One thing that does worry me is why shows now seem to put on classes just for bull crosses if you want to call them lurchers then they should be in with the rest. Do we give extra classes to say kerry blue crosses or wheaten crosses. this isnt a complaint i just wondered how other lurcher folk think.

I think they tend to get their own classes precisely because of the prejudice against them, whether real or perceived... a case of, if you don't like us in amongst you, we'll go off on our own, then. They are a noticeably different physical type so in a way it makes sense to judge like against like - why not give them their own classes? There's nothing to stop a bull-cross entering the general lurcher classes but there is very often a barrier against them winning in those classes because of their parentage, however good their conformation or condition. Plus, apparently people don't like them being in the general classes. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

What is the definition of a lurcher anyway? When it comes down to it, they're all mongrels, even the carefully bred strains and lines going back to the year dot. Crossbreeds with a bit of everything. As I understand it bull-terrier blood was put into pedigree greyhounds a couple of hundred years back, anyway, so you've probably got the blood whether you want it or not!

And does it really matter? So there's another couple of classes in the schedule, which might mean a few more entries and more benefit to charity or club funds.

Before the 1991 DDA came in it was quite common to see "No pit bulls" on the bottom of terrier and (what were then) exemption show schedules. That phased out a bit after the Act and the ban; but now that sort of blood is back big time in the "status dogs" and the larger bull-cross lurchers, I suppose show organisers feel they have to make a stand against a recurrence of the inacceptable behaviour in the past.

 

[bonio]

i was mooching through the countrymans this week i noticed the add for above show then at the end it stated no bull breeds or bull xs is this the start of dog discrimination creeping into the world of lurchers and terriers ? how has this show got a qualifier for chatsworth does the N.L.R.C. CONDONE this sort off discrimination in my opinion i support the deed not the breed theory this sort of thing is wrong bit like the hunting act any k9ers got an opinion on this sort thing 8) -_- :rant: :rant: :rant:

The answer to this question is simple, people can put any classes on at their shows that they want,we nor anyone else can dictate what classes are on. When people ask for qualifiers they don't always state what classes they have. The most interesting point here is that this show is also a qualifier for other championships yet you don't seem to mention that fact which leads me to ask why??

Sonia

 

[Goran]

i was mooching through the countrymans this week i noticed the add for above show then at the end it stated no bull breeds or bull xs is this the start of dog discrimination creeping into the world of lurchers and terriers ? how has this show got a qualifier for chatsworth does the N.L.R.C. CONDONE this sort off discrimination in my opinion i support the deed not the breed theory this sort of thing is wrong bit like the hunting act any k9ers got an opinion on this sort thing 8) -_- :rant: :rant: :rant:

The answer to this question is simple, people can put any classes on at their shows that they want,we nor anyone else can dictate what classes are on. When people ask for qualifiers they don't always state what classes they have. The most interesting point here is that this show is also a qualifier for other championships yet you don't seem to mention that fact which leads me to ask why??

Sonia

Well said !!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[sdoble]

All dogs should be judged on their merits, fitness, conformation movement. The "breeding" in the lurcher thus gives you a clue as to how the movement, confirmation all works together. Seperate bull cross classes have been put into a lot of schedules simply because bull cross owners are made to feel that they cannot enter the "normal" clases - or as already stated above, they never win because of their breeding.

I own two pedigree staffordshire bull terriers and both are brilliant dogs. Trust them with humans and children, with other dogs, no - you can't trust any dog, no matter what its breeding and anyone who does is walking towards disaster.

I have also experienced a "normal" lurcher who lost control and who as a very strong dog made mincement of a terrier - so they all have it in them.

Don't critise a person for having a preference, each to its own and generally bull crosses are well behaved, it can be their owns who nead the lead and tether.

A true lurcher - well, i think you'll find that the gypsy's prefer a collie/greyhound and the definition in the dictionary, a silent hunter who works with poachers, not many of them around.

Any way these are my thoughts whilst I am bored at work, my thoughts, no one elses and each to their own I say

 

[TIGGERGOULD]

i was mooching through the countrymans this week i noticed the add for above show then at the end it stated no bull breeds or bull xs is this the start of dog discrimination creeping into the world of lurchers and terriers ? how has this show got a qualifier for chatsworth does the N.L.R.C. CONDONE this sort off discrimination in my opinion i support the deed not the breed theory this sort of thing is wrong bit like the hunting act any k9ers got an opinion on this sort thing 8) -_- :rant: :rant: :rant:

The answer to this question is simple, people can put any classes on at their shows that they want,we nor anyone else can dictate what classes are on. When people ask for qualifiers they don't always state what classes they have. The most interesting point here is that this show is also a qualifier for other championships yet you don't seem to mention that fact which leads me to ask why??

Sonia

yes their are other qualifiers at this show ijust used the nlrc because its supposed to be the big one to win, personally as i stated deed not breed is my personall mantra on this subject not one persons predjudice it takes a lot of skill to train any lurcher and patience but its worth it, as far as i know a lurcher should be at least 15% pastoral breed to be classed as a lurcher sight to sight is a long dog the chap organising this show should know this but these days anything goes and i get dismayed at current attitude towards bull breeds one of the oldest breeds in england

 

[nighthawk]

very interesting,most i have seen are cross staff or english bull crosses.Must admit a lad had bred his bull mastif with a grey,confused me to see how on earth these pups could work or race.So being a woman and nosey i asked the lad why on earth he bred this line wish i hadnt now.Answer i got i was expecting it,to make a pitbull look alike,no interest what so ever in racing nor legal hunting.But surely a lurcher is a lurcher if crossed any breed with a grey,sorry but thats what my old grandad told me.But i have learned through the years,that certain breeds bred into the grey make up for the different types of work to me a staffy cross grey etc is for bringing down foxes and bigger game.I am not new to the staffy breed as i have owned them for many years,but to ban these lurchers i think is wrong if trained properly they should make good workers and show dogs.Very interesting subject.