Bully Whippets

[Seraphina]

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I have a fantastic understanding of genetics, Which is exactly why I was CONSIDERING and RESEARCHING this mutation...
Short under jaw? How short? You did read my post about creating a bandog right? Using Bulldogs & Pit Bulls?? How short? Short for a whippet or short for a bulldog?

Cramping? Under what circumstances? Under extreme race circumstances? Or under daily living situations? I am trying to produce the ultimate home guardian,remember? Not the whippet race champion, I am doing research!

Tawnya

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If you had ANY understanding of genetics you would know that breeding overshot mouth to undershot one will NOT give you good mouth.

 

[Tony Taylor]

This black dog is by far the most extreme example of muscling I have ever seen and most of what are considered bullies don't look like that in my experience.

The one bully whippet I did own was capable of 8.50 for the 150yds. To put that in perspective, there isn't a pedigree racing dog in this country that can get within 10 yds of that time. Pic od dog I owned.

 

[Dylan's Angel]

How common are bully whippets ??

like are there alot of them around in normal whippet litters or is it just purly thro selective breeding that they are apearing ?

if I buy a whippet puppie, how can I make sure she isn't a bully ?

Thanks,

 

[wild whippies]

It depends what you think is common, I would say it's an occasional incident. Like I said previously, I know of 2 born last year and they certainly do not look like the black dog pictured above. I think Mac, Catherine's dog is a far more honest and accurate representation of a bully whippet.

As for purchasing a whippet puppy, it's unlikely your going to purchase one inadvertently as they do look different to their siblings and TBH unless your specifically after an open class dog I do not see why it would be an issue.

Not that you can spot the open class pup in any litter anyway - that's the gamble you take so your best picking what personality / appearance attracts you for a pet.

Breeders are honest about it too, they don't seem to have an issue with it like some folk seem to have on here, in fairness though, folk are focusing on the pik above so I can forgive them for being shocked by their appearance.

The only reason they can be hindered at open class racing is because they overweigh their size due to the excess muscle but they can happily go club racing using time handicapping as Tony Taylor and I think Jade Scott and probably others have demonstrated.

Non-peds whippets aren't about smooth lines and grace and elegance they're about meeting the very purpose whippets were made for in the first place, and if the only 'genetic defect' is the odd bully whippet then personally I'd take that risk anyday.

 

[Macha]

"Cannot really think why would anybody think that this black dog would run fast. "

I don't believe anyone thinks that. For the most part the advantage is to the dog who is heterozygous, has inherited the mutant gene from just one of his/her parents. I think this is called "mixed dominance" as the half-bully dogs do have bulkier muscle than average but not as heavy as the bully dogs. Despite this you wouldn't always know for sure whether your dog was a carrier of the bully gene because they do vary in how muscular they are, and so do whippets without the gene.

if you look at the photos of the three mh/+ dogs (middle column) pictured with the article at http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=1877876

(click on the thumbnail photos to enlarge): to me the middle dog looks like a very fit normal dog, the top dog looks nice though more muscular than the show standard specifies as it calls for flat shoulder muscles, but the bottom dog does look strange for a whippet.

 

[Cathrine]

How common are bully whippets ??like are there alot of them around in normal whippet litters or is it just purly thro selective breeding that they are apearing ?

if I buy a whippet puppie, how can I make sure she isn't a bully ?

Thanks,

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It was obvious already from an early age that Mac was a bully. This is a photo of him with his siblings. It is four pups and two are bullies, Mac and the black bitch Eve. Mac is sitting at the back, and looks more like a staffie...

I have borrowed the photo from Denise Bailey :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

The thing is though in the UK the incidence of bullys within the pedigree, KC registered whippet is, I'm told, non-existant. This is an anamoly within non-ped whippet racing and therefore to compare these dogs against the KC show standard is pointless in my opinion. No offence meant. :thumbsup:

I really want to try and get across to people that the picture of the black dog is not a fair potrayal of a bully whippet, below are two pictures, one was defined by the breeder as a bully whippet (and would probably be confirmed by other experienced non-ped breeders) the other's are non ped racing whippets. Can you spot which is which? ( shh! non-ped racers! :thumbsup: )

 

[masta]

3rd pic?

 

[wild whippies]

Correct! :thumbsup: I hope others can see, like Masta that the puppy is quite different from it's siblings (piks 1 & 2) So I think any prospective owner is capable of seeing there is a difference.

The last pik is of my lad Dobs who I thought looks quite bonny in this shot but developed to be a 37lb racer, he is stocky but in what would be seen as a desirable way for scratch racing.

The bully pup, who I fondly named Boo has an excellent temperment and did go on to ''thin out'' as she developed. The owners were well aware of what she was and were smitten with her, I hope to add some photos of her current appearance in the future but I can guarantee she'll look nothing like that black whippet or Masta's photoshopped one either! :lol:

 

[masta]

"she'll look nothing like that black whippet or Masta's photoshopped one either! "

ive managed to slim her down a bit lol although for a ped she is a bit "big boned" just how i like them

 

[Seraphina]

OK these bully whippets certainly do not look anything like those pix which accompanied the newspapers stories. Any chance of them being photoshopped??? When Tony and some others posted pix of their dogs here before i assumed they meant their dogs were heterozygous for the mh gene, while the black dog would be mh/mh. In the 9 photos table, the mh/+ dogs do look like many well muscled Whippets I know. The pix of the 3 mh/mh dogs are not taken from a very good angle.

 

[Tony Taylor]

I would add that from my experience of bully types both hetro and homozygous si that the more you feed them the more muscle they put on. Overfeeding tends not to cause the dog to become obviously fat just more pumped up mucle wise.

Hence I can see a situation where if you keep piling high protein food into a bully type dog with muscle hypertrophy you could end up with the "black dog".

The pic of the blue bitch I posted was when she was trimmed down weight wise for racing.

 

[Macha]

OK these bully whippets certainly do not look anything like those pix which accompanied the newspapers stories.  Any chance of them being photoshopped???  When Tony and some others posted pix of their dogs here before i assumed they meant their dogs were heterozygous for the mh gene, while the black dog would be mh/mh.  In the 9 photos table, the mh/+ dogs do look like many well muscled Whippets I know.  The pix of the 3 mh/mh dogs are not taken from a very good angle.

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I think there are only two mh/mh dogs included in the photos, that there are two photos of the black one?

 

[wild whippies]

Yeah your right Masta, personally I feel this dog is being given waay to much media attention probably because of it's shock value and I feel it certainly isn't an accurate representation of a bully.

Fine looking bitch you've got there too! :thumbsup:

 

[lizzyb]

Just bumping this up ,as I had a phone call asking about Bully Whips and if there are any in the country .

This lady said she was from the BBC science department and would like to locate one if possiable .

I hope this helps her and I am sure she was genuine . Has anyone else been approached ?

Good luck :luck: