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Possibly the largest club and they were scrabbling around for helpers - so what hope would there be of getting a track ready for 10am?? No a hope in hell.  I was one of the guilty ones yesterday, like most of the club, I waited for someone else to do it.
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We can pick fault's in any club/meeting, but as you said even the biggest club's can find it difficult to find helper's :unsure: ........If I remember we as a very SMALL club were let down by one or two of our member's just befor our open this year (as they went off club racing else where instead.....), but luckily we had lot's of offers of help, so we managed, but this could have been a disaster for my club ...........

Postal vote maybe?
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Sound's like a good idea to me ...... :)
 
:( I stand corrected. One the first count, Paul tells me that I am wrong, and that WE voted against moving the bends from where they are to other dates. So much for memory!!

My very public apologies to the members of the WCRA committee.

So the responsibility for any injury, but default must rest with us rather than the committee who are only doing what we voted for them to do as they bowed to our vote from the floor.
 
Strike Whippets said:
Possibly the largest club and they were scrabbling around for helpers - so what hope would there be of getting a track ready for 10am?? No a hope in hell.  I was one of the guilty ones yesterday, like most of the club, I waited for someone else to do it.
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We can pick fault's in any club/meeting, but as you said even the biggest club's can find it difficult to find helper's :unsure: ........If I remember we as a very SMALL club were let down by one or two of our member's just befor our open this year (as they went off club racing else where instead.....), but luckily we had lot's of offers of help, so we managed, but this could have been a disaster for my club ...........

Postal vote maybe?
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Sound's like a good idea to me ...... :)

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Well, it's got you all going anyway! It would appear from this that the idea of an early start is a non-starter!! :luck:
 
Smiffy@VeronnaV said:
:( I stand corrected.  One the first count, Paul tells me that I am wrong, and that WE voted against moving the bends from where they are to other dates.  So much for memory!! 
My very public apologies to the members of the WCRA committee. 

So the responsibility for any injury, but default must rest with us rather than the committee who are only doing what we voted for them to do as they bowed to our vote from the floor.

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T'is true Carmel - the committee are only going from the representatives vote and I 'spect we'd all be up in arms if they didn't so you can't fault them there. It would seem though, that the Clubs Reps votes might not be very representative of racers in general. I know of a couple of reps who came back from the last one, and on reflection, wished they had voted differently so I dare say that happens quite often. Nobody's fault but maybe its not the best way to gather opinion.
 
June Jonigk said:
I think a more sensible idea would be to hand out an options form with every programme at the next Champs, and get a general view from everyone - as 20 people from one club might be for it, but if their 3 reps are not, where do they stand then?  You cannot make your reps vote for you.  In a perfect world they would all take a vote from all their members before the event, but we know this doesn't happen.
The WCRA once handed out papers to get racers views on venues for Champs, and Moreton was by far the most popular.  It worked well then.

I wonder if the 18 people voting against the idea actually understood what they were voting for, and did they understand the consequences of voting against the proposition?

I believe the WCRA do want to listen, but if it was voted out by reps, how could they possibly change things then?  The majority of WCRA Committee members I have spoken to are for changing the bends to either end of the year.  Lets hope we get the chance to vote again.

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I agree
 
hi June glad to say that Light Fantastic's injury isn't as bad as it looked. She got a knocked up toe and strained a ligament, the vet has said 3 weeks rest so hopefully she will be ok for somerset. BECKY :)
 
It would appear to me that a lot of opinions are expressed on here and very little in the way of factual details gets published.

If the number of injuries sustained at a meeting is a concern, why not carry out a scientific study? This study could collate data on a number of factors (ground conditions, fitness of competitors, types of injuries etc) and the results could then be analysed and recommendations proposed to overcome the shortfalls highlighted by the study.
 
Move with times WCRA ! Hold you bend meetings at a properly maintained Greyhound track. There is no way you can run a safe bend meeting on a playing field in the middle of a hot summer ! Vernon Fords old schooling track in Lingfield in Surrey has just been refurbished. Somewhere like that would be ideal.
 
Paul Melia said:
It would appear to me that a lot of opinions are expressed on here and very little in the way of factual details gets published.
If the number of injuries sustained at a meeting is a concern, why not carry out a scientific study? This study could collate data on a number of factors (ground conditions, fitness of competitors, types of injuries etc) and the results could then be analysed and recommendations proposed to overcome the shortfalls highlighted by the study.

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Sorry paul but what planet are you on.

This is about running dogs on hard ground not rocket science.

How would you establish how fit your dog really is.

Might I suggest that the best advise would be.

1.Arrive to racing early enough to walk the track.

2.Draw you own opinion as to whether you think the track is suitable for your dog to run on.

3.Look at the weather conditions on the day.

4.Ifyou are not happy with either of the above be brave enough to pull your dog out

5.If you pull your dog out, dont go home, offer to assist the club for the rest of the day.

6.Following the days racing look at the number of injuries and decide if you made the right decission.

7.Go home happy that your dog is able to run another day.

END OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY
 
john doe said:
Might I suggest that the best advise would be.
1.Arrive to racing early enough to walk the track.

2.Draw you own opinion as to whether you think the track is suitable for your   dog to run on.

3.Look at the weather conditions on the day.

4.Ifyou are not happy with either of the above be brave enough to pull your dog out

5.If you pull your dog out, dont go home, offer to assist the club for the rest of the day.

6.Following the days racing look at the number of injuries and decide if you made the right decission.

7.Go home happy that your dog is able to run another day.

END OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY

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That isn't rocket science, it's what the vast majority of racers do every meeting.

However, that doesn't absolve the responsibility of the organisers of any event from ensuring that they have minimised the risk as far as they can. We all learn from experience and experience has shown that the risk of skinned pads at Moreton on a bend in summer is significantly higher than normal.

The WCRA tried to do everything they could to minimise the risk on the day but unfortunately given the track condition and weather that obviously wasn't enough. As this has now happened more than once the conclusion has to be to use a different venue or choose a time when the ground condition and weather conditions stand a better chance of being favorable.

Personally, I think the venue is very good. So running at a different time of year, when it possibly won't be as hot, or outside of the cricket season should again be considered.
 
john doe said:
Paul Melia said:
It would appear to me that a lot of opinions are expressed on here and very little in the way of factual details gets published.
If the number of injuries sustained at a meeting is a concern, why not carry out a scientific study? This study could collate data on a number of factors (ground conditions, fitness of competitors, types of injuries etc) and the results could then be analysed and recommendations proposed to overcome the shortfalls highlighted by the study.

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Sorry paul but what planet are you on.

This is about running dogs on hard ground not rocket science.

How would you establish how fit your dog really is.

Might I suggest that the best advise would be.

1.Arrive to racing early enough to walk the track.

2.Draw you own opinion as to whether you think the track is suitable for your dog to run on.

3.Look at the weather conditions on the day.

4.Ifyou are not happy with either of the above be brave enough to pull your dog out

5.If you pull your dog out, dont go home, offer to assist the club for the rest of the day.

6.Following the days racing look at the number of injuries and decide if you made the right decission.

7.Go home happy that your dog is able to run another day.

END OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY

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Might I suggest that the best advise would be.
1.Arrive to racing early enough to walk the track.

2.Draw you own opinion as to whether you think the track is suitable for your dog to run on.

3.Look at the weather conditions on the day.

4.Ifyou are not happy with either of the above be brave enough to pull your dog out

5.If you pull your dog out, dont go home, offer to assist the club for the rest of the day.

6.Following the days racing look at the number of injuries and decide if you made the right decission.

7.Go home happy that your dog is able to run another day.
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Well put Mr Doe.

Dragon, are you going the disco at the champs lol.
 
Nigel said:
john doe said:
Might I suggest that the best advise would be.
1.Arrive to racing early enough to walk the track.

2.Draw you own opinion as to whether you think the track is suitable for your   dog to run on.

3.Look at the weather conditions on the day.

4.Ifyou are not happy with either of the above be brave enough to pull your dog out

5.If you pull your dog out, dont go home, offer to assist the club for the rest of the day.

6.Following the days racing look at the number of injuries and decide if you made the right decission.

7.Go home happy that your dog is able to run another day.

END OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY

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That isn't rocket science, it's what the vast majority of racers do every meeting.

However, that doesn't absolve the responsibility of the organisers of any event from ensuring that they have minimised the risk as far as they can. We all learn from experience and experience has shown that the risk of skinned pads at Moreton on a bend in summer is significantly higher than normal.

The WCRA tried to do everything they could to minimise the risk on the day but unfortunately given the track condition and weather that obviously wasn't enough. As this has now happened more than once the conclusion has to be to use a different venue or choose a time when the ground condition and weather conditions stand a better chance of being favorable.

Personally, I think the venue is very good. So running at a different time of year, when it possibly won't be as hot, or outside of the cricket season should again be considered.

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They might walk the track and complain but do they withdraw there dog if they are not happy or just complain when their dogs is injured.

Some dogs who cannot deal with the conditions on the day as well as others, so has the need to win overtaken the main issue here which is the welfare of our dogs.

I do agree the timing of events is very important.
 
It's like I printed, plenty of opinions and assumptions and no facts!!

Planet Realism.....
 
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