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[ahorsnall]

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Hurry up Karen

pist again

It better be worth waiting for lol

She's writing a bloody essay

it better be good then

 

[rodders]

Hurry up Karen

pist again

It better be worth waiting for lol

She's writing a bloody essay

it better be good then

Ring her,just to check she's not fallen asleep lol

 

[stallion]

Hurry up Karen

pist again

It better be worth waiting for lol

She's writing a bloody essay

it better be good then

Ring her,just to check she's not fallen asleep lol

will take an hour to come lol

 

[ahorsnall]

Hurry up Karen

pist again

It better be worth waiting for lol

She's writing a bloody essay

it better be good then

Ring her,just to check she's not fallen asleep lol

will take an hour to come lol

spell check must be acting up lol

 

[stallion]

Hurry up Karen

pist again

It better be worth waiting for lol

She's writing a bloody essay

it better be good then

Ring her,just to check she's not fallen asleep lol

will take an hour to come lol

spell check must be acting up lol

pmsl

 

[Trojan]

the thing is years ago folks had open class dogs wich were good enough for opens big turnouts too .also club dogs wich also had great turnouts .but now everyone goes open racing as there are too few folks compared to even 10 year ago in the sport .....no one nowadays defines the the diference between open class and club level the only way i could see any improvement is in more folk joining the sport maybe we should make the best of what we got and hope it improves i think all ideas should be looked into carefully :thumbsup:

Have to agree with what Gary has said we don't have the numbers of whippet racers anymore.

Not sure that making racing into two categories at one meeting would be the answer, even at the very best attended meetings if the dogs were split into open and maiden on the same day the numbers of each wouldnt be great. As for 2lb weight classes although total agreement easy for workers but for this to work you would need a fair few dogs to make it interesting. I personally think we would be better with bigger classes at opens rather than smaller, it is very often a foregone conclusion who you will be up against week in week out and although the outcomes can vary you could have a good guess at the winners. If only two weight classes or even ALL IN (god forbid 16lber againt a 32lber) but if doing time racing chances are some small dogs cold even be giving start to bigger ones !!!! At least then you wouldnt know who you were up against before you got out of the car, all races would be full races, it would do away with the need for equal runs an solo's and far more excitng for spectators, people we want to encourage into an exciting 'friendly' hobby, nothing more boring than solo after solo even the long termers of racng get a bit bored of them.Luck of the draw could mean a chance of a easyish heat or the most fancied dogs of the day could draw together, making for a bit more excitement.

Don't think there are any wrong or right answers we just have to keep trying different things and be welcoming and encouraging to newcomers to the sport through our clubs.

 

[kipper fluke]

I think if there were at least four dogs in each heat rather than loads of solo.s --
who wants to travel for 2hours plus for a solo run???

it would make racing much more interesting --plus it would make time for two runs possible ---if required

try going back to half yard per lb --in two wieght groups 16lb ----24lb plus 25lb--32lb

plus pre entry is a bonus

this way the front dog is at best getting 4yds start off back dog -

even in final the most the front dog could get is eight yards off back dog --

more dogs per heat the better i think five if traps allow

just my thought' s

steve

i can see what u mean steve but if you had a 16lber would you travel to race against bigger dogs at half yard when they cant beat at a yard

i dont think its nothing to do with handicap thats wrong just not people choosing to travel for what ever reason.i know this is more a region problem as not enough members as we lucky in east midlands its not a problem at the moment

Hi Chris --

I may be wrong but i rekon Yard per lb is part of the problem along with the distance we run/it even affects how you breed./

How often do you get a 28lb open winner ?they just cant win at yard per lb--thats why they pull out is that them getting a fair deal ???

so if all those with dogs over 22lb stop running what will you be left with ???Not many i think--

But this is only my view having seen the decline in our area from around 16 clubs in the sixties /seventies ----to 2 now something needs changing --Quickly

As you say you are lucky having lots going in your area ---But yet again the Champs being held in your area for far to long is another problem --

They should be given to each region in turn

They dont hold the olympic games in same country year after year do they ??? there would soon be a boycote for sure if they did

Every region would try to out do the last one surely this would be a good thing and it would be great for those far north/ south--

As they always have to try harder to promote opens

I think that all aspects of racing should be reviewed /tracks/facilities/Prizes/Trophies/distance /to name but a few-

I have not added my thoughts so someone can turn it into a dispute --

That is not required thankyou i have only put on what i consider will help -even if wrong---

steve :thumbsup:

 

[ROBDOG]

Well said Steve think you got everything in that post :thumbsup:

 

[FLORRENCE]

2ft / lb makes for good racing and gives all weights in the final a chance of winning , people not travelling is down to cost not the format of opens, we need to set a good example and try to encourage newcomers into the sport, thats my little input :unsure:

 

[weathergirls]

the NNWRF EASTER CLASSIC I think has a good format starting with the 6 classes 19/22/25/28/31/35 at 2ft/lb going onto 4 classes 20/25/30/35 for the semis and finals the next day with the consolation to date run in 2 classes 25/35 2ft/lb this is the weight split a lot don't seem to like so maybe we could change this to 3 classes 21/28/35 if members prefer

PLEASE LET US KNOW

 

[hellbound]

the thing is years ago folks had open class dogs wich were good enough for opens big turnouts too .also club dogs wich also had great turnouts .but now everyone goes open racing as there are too few folks compared to even 10 year ago in the sport .....no one nowadays defines the the diference between open class and club level the only way i could see any improvement is in more folk joining the sport maybe we should make the best of what we got and hope it improves i think all ideas should be looked into carefully :thumbsup:

Have to agree with what Gary has said we don't have the numbers of whippet racers anymore.

Not sure that making racing into two categories at one meeting would be the answer, even at the very best attended meetings if the dogs were split into open and maiden on the same day the numbers of each wouldnt be great. As for 2lb weight classes although total agreement easy for workers but for this to work you would need a fair few dogs to make it interesting. I personally think we would be better with bigger classes at opens rather than smaller, it is very often a foregone conclusion who you will be up against week in week out and although the outcomes can vary you could have a good guess at the winners. If only two weight classes or even ALL IN (god forbid 16lber againt a 32lber) but if doing time racing chances are some small dogs cold even be giving start to bigger ones !!!! At least then you wouldnt know who you were up against before you got out of the car, all races would be full races, it would do away with the need for equal runs an solo's and far more excitng for spectators, people we want to encourage into an exciting 'friendly' hobby, nothing more boring than solo after solo even the long termers of racng get a bit bored of them.Luck of the draw could mean a chance of a easyish heat or the most fancied dogs of the day could draw together, making for a bit more excitement.

Don't think there are any wrong or right answers we just have to keep trying different things and be welcoming and encouraging to newcomers to the sport through our clubs.

it was well worth the wait Karen :thumbsup: lol

 

[Lizzie]

I agree there is not as many dogs as once were, why because in most places you dont get club racing,because they are all open racing.so local people are not seeing or hearing about it.so can not join or find out how to join.

how to get clubs thriving and to get more to turn out at opens.we dont need to fiddle with the formats as there a wide variety through the year and if we mess to much it will not be the same sport we once had,

well if you just had 2 straight champs,2 bend champs,keep all the classics and golden jackets,and both derbys.this will still be 19 or so top ten events.

therefore,this will force us all to use our local club for training our dogs towards the big open

also most weeks our not so good dogs will be ran at u club in handicap or be tt or what ever you run.as there will be more people at the club.so u dont have to run something on at the side of an open,as there would not really be time.

witch is then better for the clubs.and your clubs income as well.as you will be at your club more often

as there will be less opens.people can get there dogs right for most of the opens and not nacker a dog up for the sake of 2 tt ponits.

the best dog will then win the top ten,not the most travaled

people will want to traval to opens, as you are not running agaist the same dogs week in week out.and you will want to test your dog against the best at opens once you are winning/or doing well at your club.

I think the champs should be moved every year to make it fair for all!,i think clubs should have to apply for the champs and put in an offer to the committes on what they can offer ie;camping,entertainment,qualluty of track,ect.

this would lead to less moaning and people trying to make things,or looking for better veneues even if it is just a one off.this way the veneue may even give sponsorship

but this should be something for both our committes to sit down and sort out as the sport we love is on its knees.

Tam

 

[Trojan]

Good reply tam agree with most of what you say :thumbsup:

 

[ahorsnall]

I agree there is not as many dogs as once were, why because in most places you dont get club racing,because they are all open racing.so local people are not seeing or hearing about it.so can not join or find out how to join.
how to get clubs thriving and to get more to turn out at opens.we dont need to fiddle with the formats as there a wide variety through the year and if we mess to much it will not be the same sport we once had,

well if you just had 2 straight champs,2 bend champs,keep all the classics and golden jackets,and both derbys.this will still be 19 or so top ten events.

therefore,this will force us all to use our local club for training our dogs towards the big open

also most weeks our not so good dogs will be ran at u club in handicap or be tt or what ever you run.as there will be more people at the club.so u dont have to run something on at the side of an open,as there would not really be time.

witch is then better for the clubs.and your clubs income as well.as you will be at your club more often

as there will be less opens.people can get there dogs right for most of the opens and not nacker a dog up for the sake of 2 tt ponits.

the best dog will then win the top ten,not the most travaled

people will want to traval to opens, as you are not running agaist the same dogs week in week out.and you will want to test your dog against the best at opens once you are winning/or doing well at your club.

I think the champs should be moved every year to make it fair for all!,i think clubs should have to apply for the champs and put in an offer to the committes on what they can offer ie;camping,entertainment,qualluty of track,ect.

this would lead to less moaning and people trying to make things,or looking for better veneues even if it is just a one off.this way the veneue may even give sponsorship

but this should be something for both our committes to sit down and sort out as the sport we love is on its knees.

Tam

agree with alot of this make it 10 bends 10 straights for top ten points but make it top five but bends and straights done seperate giveng dogs eqaul chance if only do one or the other and this stops advantage off winning if do both

 

[rodders]

I agree there is not as many dogs as once were, why because in most places you dont get club racing,because they are all open racing.so local people are not seeing or hearing about it.so can not join or find out how to join.
how to get clubs thriving and to get more to turn out at opens.we dont need to fiddle with the formats as there a wide variety through the year and if we mess to much it will not be the same sport we once had,

well if you just had 2 straight champs,2 bend champs,keep all the classics and golden jackets,and both derbys.this will still be 19 or so top ten events.

therefore,this will force us all to use our local club for training our dogs towards the big open

also most weeks our not so good dogs will be ran at u club in handicap or be tt or what ever you run.as there will be more people at the club.so u dont have to run something on at the side of an open,as there would not really be time.

witch is then better for the clubs.and your clubs income as well.as you will be at your club more often

as there will be less opens.people can get there dogs right for most of the opens and not nacker a dog up for the sake of 2 tt ponits.

the best dog will then win the top ten,not the most travaled

people will want to traval to opens, as you are not running agaist the same dogs week in week out.and you will want to test your dog against the best at opens once you are winning/or doing well at your club.

I think the champs should be moved every year to make it fair for all!,i think clubs should have to apply for the champs and put in an offer to the committes on what they can offer ie;camping,entertainment,qualluty of track,ect.

this would lead to less moaning and people trying to make things,or looking for better veneues even if it is just a one off.this way the veneue may even give sponsorship

but this should be something for both our committes to sit down and sort out as the sport we love is on its knees.

Tam

I've always believed champs should be moved about to different regions.Everybody's answer is the cost of fuel etc,but folk from the south and north have to find fuel money for every open they attend,and with the amount of opens on offer,it proberbly costs them double what it costs us in the middle.Maybe if there were less opens,then folk would be prepared to travel further for champs?

 

[ahorsnall]

even if the top tens isnt going to be cut down i thinking splitting the top ten to straights and bends separate would help its if you got a staight dog and at start of season does well might make you travel .but as it is now you miles behind on points from a dog thats done well on the bends and does straights too so think its a waste of time trying to catch them up,also same on bends if you get one running well on bends you know you not going to catch dogs been running all year on straights as bend racing only counts to december.so make top five straights then top 5 bends but run that oct to march as might make bend dogs travel then chasing points just a thought :thumbsup:

 

[mutley]

agree with u chris :thumbsup:

 

[mck]

the thing is years ago folks had open class dogs wich were good enough for opens big turnouts too .also club dogs wich also had great turnouts .but now everyone goes open racing as there are too few folks compared to even 10 year ago in the sport .....no one nowadays defines the the diference between open class and club level the only way i could see any improvement is in more folk joining the sport maybe we should make the best of what we got and hope it improves i think all ideas should be looked into carefully :thumbsup:

Think if we sit back and hope Gaz,whippet racing will die a death (yd a lb) The only thing thats growing is scratch racing,and I don't believe,thats just because greyhounds are being used regularly.Greyhounds have always been used,the difference being that we now cater for the bigger dogs where as before they were passed on to others outside of whippets for there relevant sports or work.I think if you was to ask big dog owners why they like scratch racing I think majority would answer because it's level break.First over the line,with no yardage given.Newcomers into the sport must find the handicapping a nightmare at first.Think this maiden racing would make it alot easier to understand,and a nice cushion to work off :thumbsup:

Very good debate with some very good ideas,agree with this Karen love scratch racin :thumbsup: Just be glad you dont have to travel from Cornwall our choice i know and wouldnt have it any other way,hope this all works out for the best,should get our own club running down here!!!

 

[Trojan]

even if the top tens isnt going to be cut down i thinking splitting the top ten to straights and bends separate would help its if you got a staight dog and at start of season does well might make you travel .but as it is now you miles behind on points from a dog thats done well on the bends and does straights too so think its a waste of time trying to catch them up,also same on bends if you get one running well on bends you know you not going to catch dogs been running all year on straights as bend racing only counts to december.so make top five straights then top 5 bends but run that oct to march as might make bend dogs travel then chasing points just a thought :thumbsup:

Not bad thinking there Mr H, could be a good idea :thumbsup:

By the way capital letters at the beginning of sentences after full stops please !!!! Bloody spell checker won't do that for us either :teehee: (w00t)

 

[rodders]

even if the top tens isnt going to be cut down i thinking splitting the top ten to straights and bends separate would help its if you got a staight dog and at start of season does well might make you travel .but as it is now you miles behind on points from a dog thats done well on the bends and does straights too so think its a waste of time trying to catch them up,also same on bends if you get one running well on bends you know you not going to catch dogs been running all year on straights as bend racing only counts to december.so make top five straights then top 5 bends but run that oct to march as might make bend dogs travel then chasing points just a thought :thumbsup:

Not bad thinking there Mr H, could be a good idea :thumbsup:

By the way capital letters at the beginning of sentences after full stops please !!!! Bloody spell checker won't do that for us either :teehee: (w00t)

but it only took him 2 mins to post Karen o :lol: