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Well done to any K9ers placed .
I feel sorry for the poor Junior bitch exhibitors who were told he was breaking for lunch after puppy and then discovered  the judge changed his mind and broke after Junior instead .  :rant: 6  exhibitors missed their class thinking they would be judged AFTER lunch , only to find out that he done their class 

Luckily  :blink: I wasnt one of them  ( not that it would have made much differance today  :- "    :lol: )

One or two of our `top winners `this year were unplaced  :wacko: ( and Im NOT including me in this list )and a dog he had previously given a reserve CC too went home cardless    . but thats dog judging for you , isnt it  :wacko:

I suppose I will be in trouble for pointing those facts out  :- " ,

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Meoww.........Out here, you only get into trouble for NOT pointing out those facts. :cheers: :cheers:

 

[05whippet]

:cheers: Congratulations to all K9er's :cheers:

Well done :thumbsup:

:cheers: :cheers: Special Congrats to Paul Jones :thumbsup:

Two down...............Only one to go!!!!! :luck:

 

[bertie]

What u forgot to mention Hels was that he is actually a veteran too :thumbsup: (erm................................ the dog not Bertie though it would be an easy mistake to make  )

Well done its nice to see the oldies still winning. :thumbsup:

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Thanks Dawn.

Yes Glen is now a veteran, he is a mature fellow now but still loves his showing (and the ladies) and has never let us down and shows his head off, with a spring in his step.

We havent had him entered under this judge before so its a good Job a judge is able to judge the dogs on the day and not from 18mths ago.

 

[JAX]

What u forgot to mention Hels was that he is actually a veteran too :thumbsup: (erm................................ the dog not Bertie though it would be an easy mistake to make  )

Well done its nice to see the oldies still winning. :thumbsup:

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Thanks Dawn.

Yes Glen is now a veteran, he is a mature fellow now but still loves his showing (and the ladies) and has never let us down and shows his head off, with a spring in his step.

We havent had him entered under this judge before so its a good Job a judge is able to judge the dogs on the day and not from 18mths ago.

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But surely a dog cant change THAT much ( baring in mind this particular dog has recently just won a CC :- " . so is still looking good ) :thumbsup:

 

[bertie]

What u forgot to mention Hels was that he is actually a veteran too :thumbsup: (erm................................ the dog not Bertie though it would be an easy mistake to make  )

Well done its nice to see the oldies still winning. :thumbsup:

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Thanks Dawn.

Yes Glen is now a veteran, he is a mature fellow now but still loves his showing (and the ladies) and has never let us down and shows his head off, with a spring in his step.

We havent had him entered under this judge before so its a good Job a judge is able to judge the dogs on the day and not from 18mths ago.

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But surely a dog cant change THAT much ( baring in mind this particular dog has recently just won a CC :- " . so is still looking good ) :thumbsup:

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I am reading between the lines here Jax when you state 'baring in mind this dog has recently just won a CC'.

So what is your point, the judge at Show 'B' should place a dog high because it won well the week before at show 'A'?

I am of the understanding that it is the judges 'OPINION ON THE DAY OF THE SHOW' and not the opinion of the ring side which dogs are 'still looking good' that we seek when entering a show.

 

[dawn]

I am reading between the lines here Jax when you state 'baring in mind this dog has recently just won a CC'. So what is your point, the judge at Show 'B' should place a dog high because it won well the week before at show 'A'?

I am of the understanding that it is the judges 'OPINION ON THE DAY OF THE SHOW' and not the opinion of the ring side which dogs are 'still looking good' that we seek when entering a show.

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Bertie I think you need to get back to the words and not 'between the lines'

 

The dog, this judge awarded a RCC to last time he judged ie Leeds 2004, went unplaced here. Jax is saying that this happenstance is usually when the dog has changed substantially eg lost condition. The dog in question was awarded a CC at a recent breed club show suggesting his condition / presentation had not deteriorated.

 

[bertie]

I am reading between the lines here Jax when you state 'baring in mind this dog has recently just won a CC'. So what is your point, the judge at Show 'B' should place a dog high because it won well the week before at show 'A'?

I am of the understanding that it is the judges 'OPINION ON THE DAY OF THE SHOW' and not the opinion of the ring side which dogs are 'still looking good' that we seek when entering a show.

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Bertie I think you need to get back to the words and not 'between the lines'

 

The dog, this judge awarded a RCC to last time he judged ie Leeds 2004, went unplaced here. Jax is saying that this happenstance is usually when the dog has changed substantially eg lost condition. The dog in question was awarded a CC at a recent breed club show suggesting his condition / presentation had not deteriorated.

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Yes I will go back to the words stated

'This is dog showing.'

take this example we have had a dog win CC BOB and placed in group one day and not placed the week after.

It was the Judges opinion as was the judging on Saturday.

And presentation and condidtion of a dog is only a part of what a judge should be looking for.

None of us had hands on any of the dogs on Saturday. This should also be concidered.

What about movement of a dog ON THE DAY.

 

[JAX]

Golly gosh , what have I started here (w00t) All I really wanted to point out was

oh , just forget it :- " :cheers:

 

[aslan]

I don't believe that a dog that a judge has given a top award to should necessarily be in the same top awards next time the judge judges that dog. Things change - performance of the dog, new dogs entered that weren't in the time before etc.

If a particular judge put up exactly the same dogs every time he judged, other breed members would stop entering their dogs.

However it is a little strange that this particular dog that this particular judge liked so much last time was not even in the placings this time. I think this is Jax's point. How can one like a dog SO much that he gives it a RCC one time and absolutely nothing the next? Logic would make us think that at the worst the dog might get a 4th or 5th.

Congratulations Bertie for your dog's RCC. It's a lovely achievement - got any pics of him you can post?

 

[kris]

ive given a dog b.o.b. and the following year threw it out.on the day at the first show he was the best one there.at the second show he wasnt in good condition and didnt show well and there were better dogs there.so even though id placed him highly before i couldnt in all conscience place him the second time.he didnt deserve it.you are after all judging on the day and not on a dogs previous past performances. :- "

 

[dolly]

Perhaps if you have won a res cc under a judge you could EXPECT to be placed.

However, as dogs change , mature, weight gain /loss, judging indoors/outdoors can make a HUGE difference, obviously the JUDGE not the RINGSIDE.judged the dogs on how he SAW, MOVED AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WENT OVER on the day !!

 

[aslan]

I fully agree with everything you've said Kris and Helen.

It is fully understandable if your dog is out of condition/misbehaves/shows lethargically/spooks at something.

It is also understandable if there were dogs that the judge had not seen last time, that there may be some that he liked better than your dog.

However Jax did make the point that the particular dog mentioned was not out of condition or showing badly so one would think, all things being equal, that this dog should have at least placed. That's all we're saying.

I have no idea who this particular dog is or who the judge was so I'm not making any personal comment, nor do I think that Jax is saying that this particular dog should have won over the dogs who did get CC and RCC on this day. The other dogs aren't coming into the equation at all. We're only talking about a particular dog and the judge's apparent liking and then apparent disliking of same dog.

It's just a general comment on the way one would think things would go. Put yourself in the position - we all think this way when entering .... "this judge gave my dog RCC last time he judged ... my dog is in good condition and showing well I will enter - my dog should do something - hopefully better and hopefully not a lot worse."

Then on the day when your dog has done everything right, was in good condition, didn't spook at anything or pee or poo in the ring etc etc and you don't even get placed ... surely you would wonder why.

It has happened to me many a time.

I got BIS at an open show once with a certain bitch under a certain judge. That judge judged again 5 months later at another open show. My bitch was in perfect condition - she showed beautifully - she did not even get Reserve Bitch. And the two bitches he put up for best bitch and reserve (whilst typey to each other) were not typey at all to my bitch.

All things were not equal - these two particular bitches were not at the show where my bitch got BIS. However one would ponder that if he liked her enough to give her BIS what was it that made him go for a completely different type next time and give my bitch nothing? It just makes you wonder ... that's all.

 

[JAX]

Thankyou Lana :huggles: Those were exactly my thoughts too . and thats why I mentioned it .Wished I hadnt now

Thanks mate :* :huggles:

 

[jools]

Here goes, I may as well stick my twopenneth worth in. The dog that was awarded the reserve cc and then went unplaced under the Driffield judge is half brother to my dogs. I can definitely say that he has not lost condition - but if you remember my earlier posting on this thread I did say I had been told this judge was a real wild card (and I was not told that by the owner of the dog in question)

As someone new to showing, I hear so many people saying that it is no use putting an entry in under such and such a judge because they don't like that type, no one can say this about this judge as you never know what he is going to do at his next appointment!!!!! perhaps ensuring better entries under him just in case the next show is "your types" turn!!!

Go on - I'm here to be shouted down!!!

I know one thing, after 2 1/2 years showing, my judges book would make very good reading, only some of the comments I have made could not be reproduced on a site like this!!!!!

 

[05whippet]

I totally agree with Jools :thumbsup: being new to showing as well,I tend to draw my own conclusions about judges as I'm sure they do about our dogs on the day!!

Recently I entered a Show where everyone had said that this particular Judge did'nt like a particular colour of Whippet I had already by this time entered & paid for my class,but as my Bitch was the said colour albeit with brindle added I thought long & hard whether it was worth the effort to go.I came to the conclusion that I had paid & might as well go anyway

Boy,Am I glad I did we got 2nd in Open & RBCC (w00t)

So I honestly think that as a lot of people have said it REALLY depends what's in the particular class that day,how they're all behaving & how they move. ) Dogs are like people,they have off days!!

But then I for one are glad they do :lol: otherwise it would always be the same dogs winning consistently & it would'nt give the rest of us a chance (w00t)

Would'nt life be boring if just 1 dog won all the time :blink:

Just remember that what one Judge likes in a Whippet another might hate & be glad for it

 

[dessie]

I totally agree with Jools  :thumbsup:   being new to showing as well,I tend to draw my own conclusions about judges as I'm sure they do about our dogs on the day!!
Recently I entered a Show where everyone had said that this particular Judge did'nt like a particular colour of Whippet I had already by this time entered & paid for my class,but as my Bitch was the said colour albeit with brindle added I thought long & hard whether it was worth the effort to go.I came to the conclusion that I had paid & might as well go anyway 

Boy,Am I glad I did    we got 2nd in Open & RBCC  (w00t)

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Good for you!! Just goes to prove an old saying "Believe none of what you read and only half of what you hear!!!"

I had a dog at Driffield who had won a strong big class under the judge the last time he did the breed, who was also unplaced. I have to agree with Jax and Aslan that I do find it strange that a judge can have such swings of liking (adult) dogs but that's showing for you. Having said that, I would still give this judge an entry in the future because he is good with the dogs and at least you feel you have had your money's worth with him, win or lose. I must say he took a great interest in Django's sutures, examined them very thoroughly and then sympathised with him!!!

 

[bertie]

Congratulations Bertie for your dog's RCC. It's a lovely achievement - got any pics of him you can post?

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Glens picture

 

[JAX]

The Lawns looking good `Bertie ` (w00t) :lol: :huggles:

 

[aslan]

Ah! Lovely boy. Good on him for still enjoying his showing and making the youngsters work hard for the tickets. :thumbsup:

 

[JAX]

Of course hes a lovely boy , guess who his Grand dad is :- " :wub: