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sice we have had so many topics on health / genetics and puppy farmers what are your views on endorsing puppies ?

i have only had one litter and i didnt endorse the pups , i didnt do this as i felt i would vet the homes well enough to trust the people with my babies . BUT i am also aware no matter how strict you are there are always the people who possibly could slip through the net .

on my next litter i have a few homes lined up with people i can trust so again i wouldnt endorse .

i wouldnt want any pups of mine exploited , not because of my "name" but for the welfare of the dogs . and endorsing them dosent stop people breeding just regestring them so the dog could still be exploited :blink:

so what are your views :thumbsup:
 
as i am not a breeder i can only put my buying point of view,

when i first heard of endorsing i thought it was a joke and i would never buy a puppy thats endorsed as i felt it wasnt fair for someone to tell me what i could and couldnt do with my dog. but as time has went on and i have listend and learnt more about it i realise that it makes no difference to me if the pup was endorsed or not,

1. as i no intention what so ever to breed

2. i now realise that if i did in the future decided that i did want to then i would only do it with the help and consent of my breeder which means the endorsment could be lifted.

so to me it would make no difference, but i can see how it could make a difference as if someone was buying with the intention to breed i think they would be seriously put of buy the fact they couldnt register there litters which means they would have to sell for less.

i think genuine dog loves and genuine buyers would not be put of with an endorsment only the "farmers" would be put off so if endorsments are they way to cut them out then im all for it :thumbsup:
 
Well, I am a genuine dog lover -and certainly no puppy farmer! but i wouldn't buy an endorsed puppy (despite the fact that i do not wish to breed and this is never likely to change.)

So why does this make a difference to me? Because when I take on an animal, I take on full responsibility for him/her, and for me that means being able to take all decisions on his/her behalf. If I couldn't make all of those decisions, then the animal wouldn't feel like they were really mine; if they are not properly mine it would affect the closeness of our bond.

Of course, i have no problem with breeders choosing to endorse, but I would not have a puppy from them. I think this is valid, and not at all 'farmerish' :)
 
urchin said:
Well, I am a genuine dog lover -and certainly no puppy farmer! but i wouldn't buy an endorsed puppy (despite the fact that i do not wish to breed and this is never likely to change.)
So why does this make a difference to me? Because when I take on an animal, I take on full responsibility for him/her, and for me that means being able to take all decisions on his/her behalf. If I couldn't make all of those decisions, then the animal wouldn't feel like they were really mine; if they are not properly mine it would affect the closeness of our bond.

Of course, i have no problem with breeders choosing to endorse, but I would not have a puppy from them. I think this is valid, and not at all 'farmerish' :)

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i didnt mean in anyway, that if you didnt want to buy an endorsed puppy you were automaticaly a farmer, i just said i think it would put farmers of buying from breeders who endorse there pups. i agree with you, just like i said in my original post that i originaly wasnt happy about someone else telling me what i could or could not do with my dog, but now having really thought about it and looked into it it makes no difference to me whether a puppy i buy is endorsed or not.

as i am a complete begginer here, i think that if i was maybe more experianced with dogs then my opinion might change slighty, but as i am only in the process of getting my first, a piece of paper that says i cannot breed from my pup is not going to put me off as i have no intention of breeding.

but i can see where your coming from and i think people have to do whats best them.

:))
 
Can you explain what it means to "endorse"?

We don't have that terminology over here (except that if you are a celebrity, you might "endorse" a product in an advertisement, as in "This toothpaste makes my teeth extra-white!")
 
We have a different scheme her in OZ. Pups are registered on Main register or Limited. To have a dog on Main Register, you have to be a financial member of the VCA, pet pups are put on The Limited register and people can transfer them to their names without joining the VCA ( and paying the joining and membership fee). All my pups sold as pets are on the limited register and no progeny from them can be registered without my prior permission for the dog to be transfered to the main register. I can see how people may feel that it is their dog so they should be able to do what they want with it, and to some point I do agree. But if somebody comes to me and says they just want a pet, I let them have a dog, which I think may not be good enough to show. If they say they would like to show and maybe also breed I may have given them another puppy. I spend many hours talking with potential buyers and possibility of them wanting to do more with their dog is always discussed.

However, if somebody came to me later on with the dog they bought with the Limited Register papers and ask me if they can show it, I would decide purely on the quality of the dog, whether I let it be transfered or not.

When i am selling puppy I think I have the right to decide for what purpose it will be used. If people tell me they "just want to have a litter or 2 before they spay her" they can go somewhere else. I do not claim the right to tell people what they can or cannot do with their dogs, but I have the right to sell or not. :) But I am certainly only too happy to help anybody who is seriously interested in getting involved in showing and breeding.
 
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Here we have something very similar.

An American Kennel Club breeder has three options when selling a puppy:

1) withhold registration papers entirely until proof of spay or neuter.

2) Limited Registration, which means that the dog can be registered individually to the buyer, and is eligible to compete in all events EXCEPT conformation. Puppies from that dog cannot be registered with the AKC. The breeder(s) can lift a limited registration at a later date for a fee if they re-evaluate the dog or the home and choose to allow showing and/or breeding. But the power to lift that limited registration lies solely with the breeder.

3) Full registration, which means that the dog is eligible for everything and any puppies it produces out of an AKC-registered mate are also eligible for registration.

There is also such a thing as a co-ownership contract, but these are very difficult to enforce in a court of law. You better be prepared to spend a lot more than the dog is worth get your day in court if you feel a buyer has violated the terms of your agreement.

I have made use of all three options. If a person wants a pet (they say) but won't agree to my oversight on the breeding of that dog, then I am happy if they buy from someone other than me. I feel like someone who is truly just interested in a house pet won't mind my following up with them to make sure they have altered their pet. The most difficult situation is the buyer who professes a strong interest in showing, you sell them a show prospect, and they maybe show once or twice, decide it's too much money and bother, and then go home and mate the dog. :rant:

Karen Lee
 
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urchin said:
Well, I am a genuine dog lover -and certainly no puppy farmer! but i wouldn't buy an endorsed puppy (despite the fact that i do not wish to breed and this is never likely to change.)
So why does this make a difference to me? Because when I take on an animal, I take on full responsibility for him/her, and for me that means being able to take all decisions on his/her behalf. If I couldn't make all of those decisions, then the animal wouldn't feel like they were really mine; if they are not properly mine it would affect the closeness of our bond.

Of course, i have no problem with breeders choosing to endorse, but I would not have a puppy from them. I think this is valid, and not at all 'farmerish' :)

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I totally agree with Charlie and always have thats why I also wouldn't endorse one of my puppies, I have only let my puppies go to homes I am totally happy with and would trust all of them to make the right decisions for them and they all know I am always there should they need anything, I feel confident they would be comfortable to come to me if they did :huggles:

I know and love my dogs better than anyone, so I feel like Charlie I am the one best able to decide what is best for them :huggles:

I too have no problem with endorsements but I would be interested to know how many breeders actually follow the puppies closely enough to know whether they are being kept :unsure:
 
thanks guys for your views so far , i never agreed with endorsing before but after seeing the whippet at no 19 in the top breeds i do worry .

as i say if i know the people personally and i wouldnt sell a pup if i wasnt happy with the home so i wouldnt endorse mine . :D
 
Karen there are 2 endorsements you can put on a dog here, 'progeny not eligible for registration' and 'not eligible for export pedigree'. The first means they can't register a litter from the dog, the second means the registration can't be transferred to another country's register. Both can be lifted by the breeder. And with either of these on a dog can still compete in all venues - so in that way it's different than Limited.

As for me, I endorsed, and in order for it to be upheld by the kennel club it needs to be put in writing and signed by the buyer. So I included it in my puppy contract along with the clause that they could be lifted at a later date if we were in agreement and only before (for the registration) a mating had taken place. I also had them initial the section in the contract that said that as well as signing.

I understand people choosing not to buy an endorsed dog, but at the end of the day it's about the welfare of the breed for me, and chances are that with the endorsement you are screening out potential farmers. And as I said, if at a later date the purchaser wished to breed and the dog was good enough we could lift the endorsement.

I trust my buyers completely and they trusted me, but they had no problem signing my contract because as they said most of it was common sense and things they would do (or wouldn't do) anyway, so why would they have a problem with it.

So for me it's endorsements.

Wendy
 
Well I wondered when this subject would raise it's head? especially in light of the other discussions that have been taken place over the past few weeks.

This is a subject that I feel very strongly about due to a past experience,which I do not want to go into on an open forum but suffice to say that it involves a so called friend whom I thought I knew, I would never sell any of my puppies (even to friends now) without endorsing them and they are also sold with a puppy contract drawn up by a soilicitor,I care very deeply about my puppies and therefore where & to whom they go to and before you all jump down my throats I know a lot of people who do not endorse feel the same way BUT to me it should'nt really matter to anyone whether the puppy is endorsed or not even if you do intend to breed at a later date and the people who have bought my show potential puppies from me have known about the endorsing and contract and have been fine about it,even the ones who have wanted to eventually breed as I have told them that I am quite happy to lift the endorsement once I get to know them (but my companion/pet puppies remain endorsed and have a spey/neuter contact too,as I have deemed them unsuitable for the ring for whatever reason and therefore in my eyes are not good enough examples of the breed and should not be bred on from)...as IMO (and it is just that...mine!) you cannot truly know someone in a matter of days or weeks and there are a lot of people out there who are very good at "talking the talk" and convincing people that they are someone or something that they are'nt. No - one wants to think that they can be "had" but the truth of the matter is that it can & does happen. I think that endorsing just sorts out the genuine puppy enquirers and I can also speak about this from the flip side of the coin as we also have bought an endorsed puppy...our Basenji is endorsed and his breeder was very upfront from the offset and explained that she would be quite prepared to lift the endorsement once she got to know us and the puppy proved himself in the ring (which he has done several times over) as it happens we have no desire at present or in the future to breed from him but you just never know,so it is detrimental to us whether it is lifted or not but it is just a point that I am trying to make. I don't honestly see what difference endorsing makes unless of course you are buying in to breed.

At the end of the day endorsing is a breeders preference and if you don't like the fact that a breeder endorses then just don't buy a puppy from them...there are plenty of people who don't endorse,in fact I would say breeders that endorse are in the minority.

And to answer Lesley's question regarding following up the puppies...I can only speak for myself here when I say that I know where all - barr the one involved in the incident mentioned above - are and have close contacts with their owners and therefore know exacty what is happening with the dogs.
 
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05whippet said:
Well I wondered when this subject would raise it's head? especially in light of the other discussions that have been taken place over the past few weeks.
This is a subject that I feel very strongly about due to a past experience,which I do not want to go into on an open forum but suffice to say that it involves a so called friend whom I thought I knew, I would never sell any of my puppies (even to friends now) without endorsing them and they are also sold with a puppy contract drawn up by a soilicitor,I care very deeply about my puppies and therefore where & to whom they go to and before you all jump down my throats I know a lot of people who do not endorse feel the same way BUT to me it should'nt really matter to anyone whether the puppy is endorsed or not even if you do intend to breed at a later date and the people who have bought my show potential puppies from me have known about the endorsing and contract and have been fine about it,even the ones who have wanted to eventually breed as I have told them that I am quite happy to lift the endorsement once I get to know them (but my companion/pet puppies remain endorsed and have a spey/neuter contact too,as I have deemed them unsuitable for the ring for whatever reason and therefore in my eyes are not good enough examples of the breed and should not be bred on from)...as IMO (and it is just that...mine!) you cannot truly know someone in a matter of days or weeks and there are a lot of people out there who are very good at "talking the talk" and convincing people that they are someone or something that they are'nt. No - one wants to think that they can be "had" but the truth of the matter is that it can & does happen. I think that endorsing just sorts out the genuine puppy enquirers and I can also speak about this from the flip side of the coin as we also have bought an endorsed puppy...our Basenji is endorsed and his breeder was very upfront from the offset and explained that she would be quite prepared to lift the endorsement once she got to know us and the puppy proved himself in the ring (which he has done several times over) as it happens we have no desire at present or in the future to breed from him but you just never know,so it is detrimental to us whether it is lifted or not but it is just a point that I am trying to make. I don't honestly see what difference endorsing makes unless of course you are buying in to breed.

At the end of the day endorsing is a breeders preference and if you don't like the fact that a breeder endorses  then just don't buy a puppy from them...there are plenty of people who don't endorse,in fact I would say breeders that endorse are in the minority.

And to answer Lesley's question regarding following up the puppies...I can only speak for myself here when I say that I know where all - barr the one involved in the incident mentioned above - are and have close contacts with their owners and therefore know exacty what is happening with the dogs.

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Is there a price differential between endorsed and open pups?
 
masta said:
05whippet said:
Well I wondered when this subject would raise it's head? especially in light of the other discussions that have been taken place over the past few weeks.
This is a subject that I feel very strongly about due to a past experience,which I do not want to go into on an open forum but suffice to say that it involves a so called friend whom I thought I knew, I would never sell any of my puppies (even to friends now) without endorsing them and they are also sold with a puppy contract drawn up by a soilicitor,I care very deeply about my puppies and therefore where & to whom they go to and before you all jump down my throats I know a lot of people who do not endorse feel the same way BUT to me it should'nt really matter to anyone whether the puppy is endorsed or not even if you do intend to breed at a later date and the people who have bought my show potential puppies from me have known about the endorsing and contract and have been fine about it,even the ones who have wanted to eventually breed as I have told them that I am quite happy to lift the endorsement once I get to know them (but my companion/pet puppies remain endorsed and have a spey/neuter contact too,as I have deemed them unsuitable for the ring for whatever reason and therefore in my eyes are not good enough examples of the breed and should not be bred on from)...as IMO (and it is just that...mine!) you cannot truly know someone in a matter of days or weeks and there are a lot of people out there who are very good at "talking the talk" and convincing people that they are someone or something that they are'nt. No - one wants to think that they can be "had" but the truth of the matter is that it can & does happen. I think that endorsing just sorts out the genuine puppy enquirers and I can also speak about this from the flip side of the coin as we also have bought an endorsed puppy...our Basenji is endorsed and his breeder was very upfront from the offset and explained that she would be quite prepared to lift the endorsement once she got to know us and the puppy proved himself in the ring (which he has done several times over) as it happens we have no desire at present or in the future to breed from him but you just never know,so it is detrimental to us whether it is lifted or not but it is just a point that I am trying to make. I don't honestly see what difference endorsing makes unless of course you are buying in to breed.

At the end of the day endorsing is a breeders preference and if you don't like the fact that a breeder endorses  then just don't buy a puppy from them...there are plenty of people who don't endorse,in fact I would say breeders that endorse are in the minority.

And to answer Lesley's question regarding following up the puppies...I can only speak for myself here when I say that I know where all - barr the one involved in the incident mentioned above - are and have close contacts with their owners and therefore know exacty what is happening with the dogs.

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Is there a price differential between endorsed and open pups?

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I don't think that breeders who endorse charge any less or more for their puppies than breeders who dont,I think the price that I charge for my puppies is similar to everyone elses.
 
i always endorsed after a similar incident to 05whippet.i also stop any of my dogs being exported again cos of past experience.i think when you breed a couple of litters you tend to believe more or less everything people tell you and dont think that theyd lie to you,but they will especially if they want to get hold of your bloodlines so after many experiences over many years both good and bad i always endorsed as i thought it was in my dogs best interests.and i too charged same as most other breeders i didnt sell mine for less or more cos of endorsements.if the would be buyers didnt like it then noone was holding a gun to their head,they could always go elsewhere ;)
 
I don't think that breeders who endorse charge any less or more for their puppies than breeders who dont,I think the price that I charge for my puppies is similar to everyone elses.





I endorsed all the puppies in my last litter because one of them had an inheritable defect and all the others could have been carriers and I charged £250 each instead of the usual £450. All the eventual buyers completely understood and accepted that even if it turned out they had a terrifically successful show dog (not suggested that it would), the endorsement would not be lifted.

A couple of people who had booked puppies because they wanted to incorporate my bloodlines in theirs, understandably cancelled and one woman pulled out because she also felt that she wanted complete control over her dog (by the time we had had this discussion I was glad that she had saved me the difficulty of telling her that she wasn't going to get a puppy anyway).

I don't want to start the spay/neuter argument here but I only sell bitches to people who have good reason to want them i.e. they are already breeders or the whippets they already have are bitches (if they have had them for years without wanting to breed from them, I think it unlikely that they are going to want to start with mine but if they do decide to change the habit of a lifetime, they know I am available to help). This means my bitch puppies sometimes hang around a bit longer than the dogs as very few people meet my criteria for everything but it hasn't been a problem and while I am not always happy about the dogs they sometimes get mated to, their puppies go to loving homes and I am such a poor chooser of stud dogs myself, I don't feel I can criticise. :)

I also get the feeling that people who have been through my third degree look forward to giving others a similar grilling ;)

Gay

www.moonlake.co.uk
 
urchin said:
Well, I am a genuine dog lover -and certainly no puppy farmer! but i wouldn't buy an endorsed puppy (despite the fact that i do not wish to breed and this is never likely to change.)
So why does this make a difference to me? Because when I take on an animal, I take on full responsibility for him/her, and for me that means being able to take all decisions on his/her behalf. If I couldn't make all of those decisions, then the animal wouldn't feel like they were really mine; if they are not properly mine it would affect the closeness of our bond.

Of course, i have no problem with breeders choosing to endorse, but I would not have a puppy from them. I think this is valid, and not at all 'farmerish' :)

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I fully agree with the above post. I would hope that anyone I bought a puppy from would either know me and the care my whippets have, or would take a recommendation from someone else who knew me. Once a puppy is mine - it is just that mine :thumbsup: and I would want to take full responsibility for it's welfare.

I think the fact is that most'breeders' (I'm talking of big breeders here) breed so many that they don't always know the buyer personally, or where they are going to, so it's easier to slap a restriction on, than keep a check on how the pups are doing. This isn't a criticism of any breeders, just a fact - if they sell so many puppies, they couldn't possibly be on the phone to all the owners checking to see how they're doing - there just aren't enough hours in the day. Some breeders in fact never contact the puppy purchaser ever :( this has been relayed to me on many an occasion. This is one drawback of overbreeding like we're seeing at the moment.

I agree with endorsements if there is a problem healthwise, but then the pups should be sold at a lesser price :thumbsup:

Just a thought - what better way to ensure your supply of puppies are in demand, than to deny anyone else the chance of breeding their own :eek:

Now, I know my comments are going to upset some people, but that is not my intention - I am just stating my opinions on what is a very controversial, and interesting topic :thumbsup:
 
moonlake said:
I don't want to start the spay/neuter argument here but I only sell bitches to people who have good reason to want them i.e. they are already breeders or the whippets they already have are bitches (if they have had them for years without wanting to breed from them, I think it unlikely that they are going to want to start with mine but if they do decide to change the habit of a lifetime, they know I am available to help).  This means my bitch puppies sometimes hang around a bit longer than the dogs as very few people meet my criteria for everything but it hasn't been a problem and while I am not always happy about the dogs they sometimes get mated to, their puppies go to loving homes and I am such a poor chooser of stud dogs myself, I don't feel I can criticise. :)
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i can kind of see where you are coming from with this although i find it slightly unfair.

I am 22 and have never had a dog of my own, any members of my family who have had dogs have always had bitches as they seem to think they have a better nature whether this be ture or not it makes no difference,

but when we decided we wanted a dog, we agreed a bitch would be best, as this is what i am used to (through familys dogs) and also my partner has always had bitches.

but what you are saying is because i do not have the years behind me that others have, to have had owned bitches of my own for 10years or so, and becuse as it would be my first dog their is no way i could be an established breeder, and i only want a bitch for pure preference for a bitch, i would not be eligible for a bitch from you?

it really make no difference ither way i am just interested to know if those are your rules or you would make ecseptions for people like me who are just getting their first dog?

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urchin said:
Well, I am a genuine dog lover -and certainly no puppy farmer! but i wouldn't buy an endorsed puppy (despite the fact that i do not wish to breed and this is never likely to change.)
So why does this make a difference to me? Because when I take on an animal, I take on full responsibility for him/her, and for me that means being able to take all decisions on his/her behalf. If I couldn't make all of those decisions, then the animal wouldn't feel like they were really mine; if they are not properly mine it would affect the closeness of our bond.

Of course, i have no problem with breeders choosing to endorse, but I would not have a puppy from them. I think this is valid, and not at all 'farmerish' :)

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I fully agree with the above post. I would hope that anyone I bought a puppy from would either know me and the care my whippets have, or would take a recommendation from someone else who knew me. Once a puppy is mine - it is just that mine :thumbsup: and I would want to take full responsibility for it's welfare.

I think the fact is that most'breeders' (I'm talking of big breeders here) breed so many that they don't always know the buyer personally, or where they are going to, so it's easier to slap a restriction on, than keep a check on how the pups are doing. This isn't a criticism of any breeders, just a fact - if they sell so many puppies, they couldn't possibly be on the phone to all the owners checking to see how they're doing - there just aren't enough hours in the day. Some breeders in fact never contact the puppy purchaser ever :( this has been relayed to me on many an occasion. This is one drawback of overbreeding like we're seeing at the moment.

I agree with endorsements if there is a problem healthwise, but then the pups should be sold at a lesser price :thumbsup:

Just a thought - what better way to ensure your supply of puppies are in demand, than to deny anyone else the chance of breeding their own :eek:

Now, I know my comments are going to upset some people, but that is not my intention - I am just stating my opinions on what is a very controversial, and interesting topic :thumbsup:






I find your above post very interesting as it is my belief that most breeders big or otherwise don't endorse,in fact I know of very few who do. So have you any actual evidence that substantiates your opinion?

I am just rather curious.
 
05whippet said:
quote=June Jonigk,Apr 7 2008, 07:40 PM]

urchin said:
Well, I am a genuine dog lover -and certainly no puppy farmer! but i wouldn't buy an endorsed puppy (despite the fact that i do not wish to breed and this is never likely to change.)
So why does this make a difference to me? Because when I take on an animal, I take on full responsibility for him/her, and for me that means being able to take all decisions on his/her behalf. If I couldn't make all of those decisions, then the animal wouldn't feel like they were really mine; if they are not properly mine it would affect the closeness of our bond.

Of course, i have no problem with breeders choosing to endorse, but I would not have a puppy from them. I think this is valid, and not at all 'farmerish' :)

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I fully agree with the above post. I would hope that anyone I bought a puppy from would either know me and the care my whippets have, or would take a recommendation from someone else who knew me. Once a puppy is mine - it is just that mine :thumbsup: and I would want to take full responsibility for it's welfare.

I think the fact is that most'breeders' (I'm talking of big breeders here) breed so many that they don't always know the buyer personally, or where they are going to, so it's probablyeasier to slap a restriction on, than keep a check on how the pups are doing. This isn't a criticism of any breeders, just a fact - if they sell so many puppies, they couldn't possibly be on the phone to all the owners checking to see how they're doing - there just aren't enough hours in the day. Some breeders in fact never contact the puppy purchaser ever :( this has been relayed to me on many an occasion. This is one drawback of overbreeding like we're seeing at the moment.

I agree with endorsements if there is a problem healthwise, but then the pups should be sold at a lesser price :thumbsup:

Just a thought - what better way to ensure your supply of puppies are in demand, than to deny anyone else the chance of breeding their own :eek:

Now, I know my comments are going to upset some people, but that is not my intention - I am just stating my opinions on what is a very controversial, and interesting topic :thumbsup:

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I find your above post very interesting as it is my belief that most breeders big or otherwise don't endorse,in fact I know of very few who do. So have you any actual evidence that substantiates your opinion?

I am just rather curious.





No, I have no evidence, as I have not bought a puppy from a breeder before, but it is suggested to me that breeders are endorsing more these days. I have added the word probably to my statement above, as that makes it read as it should have. I don't know who or how many people endorse, I'm just suggesting that I wouldn't buy an endorsed puppy. A few of the posts before me say they are endorsing, so no doubt many others are endorsing too.
 
I don't think that breeders who endorse charge any less or more for their puppies than breeders who dont,I think the price that I charge for my puppies is similar to everyone elses.





I endorsed all the puppies in my last litter because one of them had an inheritable defect and all the others could have been carriers and I charged £250 each instead of the usual £450. All the eventual buyers completely understood and accepted that even if it turned out they had a terrifically successful show dog (not suggested that it would), the endorsement would not be lifted.

A couple of people who had booked puppies because they wanted to incorporate my bloodlines in theirs, understandably cancelled and one woman pulled out because she also felt that she wanted complete control over her dog (by the time we had had this discussion I was glad that she had saved me the difficulty of telling her that she wasn't going to get a puppy anyway).

I don't want to start the spay/neuter argument here but I only sell bitches to people who have good reason to want them i.e. they are already breeders or the whippets they already have are bitches (if they have had them for years without wanting to breed from them, I think it unlikely that they are going to want to start with mine but if they do decide to change the habit of a lifetime, they know I am available to help). This means my bitch puppies sometimes hang around a bit longer than the dogs as very few people meet my criteria for everything but it hasn't been a problem and while I am not always happy about the dogs they sometimes get mated to, their puppies go to loving homes and I am such a poor chooser of stud dogs myself, I don't feel I can criticise. :)

I also get the feeling that people who have been through my third degree look forward to giving others a similar grilling ;)

Gay

www.moonlake.co.uk





seems a very sensible and fair approach
 
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