feces problem

[Violet Turner]

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Hi all,
This evening (about 6pm) we had found poo and wee in the house.
Normally Doris goes to the back door and we will let her out. But this evening we found a poo in our lounge area, then on the rug in the lounge and wee in the kitchen. While we cleaned it up we put Doris in her crate. When it came to letting her out there was also poo in her crate. She has been out to toilet many of times.

How did you all master housebreaking? Any tips? Do puppy pads work well for toileting?
Thanks in advance, we need help with her! - Violet

 

[JudyN]

Is this normal for her, or a sudden change? When you say that she has been out to toilet many times do you mean she's been out to toilet (and actually peed/pooed) many times today, or that she's had lots of opportunities to toilet outside today.

Have the poos been normal consistency/frequency?

What I'm getting at is whether this is a housetraining problem or possibly a medical one.

 

[JoanneF]

Puppy pads are dreadful - all they do is tell the dog that indoor toileting is allowed. Oh, but only sometimes. Or in some places - so basically, they are completely confusing for the poor dog. I cannot express how much I wish they were never invented.

As I remember you are a professional dog walker so toilet training should be very achievable. On the assumption this is not a sudden change, which might indicate a medical rather than behavioural issue, the key is to have her out before she needs to toilet - so very frequently - and to give high value rewards when she does toilet outside. You want her to learn that outdoor toilets bring the best of rewards so she really wants to hold her toilet so she can earn this lovely reward. She is around 6 months now isn't she? So by now she should be reliably clean. If it isn't medical, go back to basics. Out every hour or so without fail, every outdoor toilet earns chicken or frankfurter sausage and a huge happy dance. Indoors if there are accidents clean up with an enzymatic cleaner and leave the cleaner down for ten minutes before you wipe it up to give it time to work.

 

[Violet Turner]

Thanks this is a sudden change, and her poo has been hard. She seems okay in her self. I will take her hr and temp and resp rate in a minute and edit/add a new post. I am a dog walker and i don't seem to understand why she still wees/poos in the house. I will let her out every hour and see if this helps .

 

[JudyN]

Please don't edit the first post as the following posts won't make sense, and people who have already read it will have to work out which bits have changed - please make a new post instead.

How often has she been having accidents? We don't want to confuse the two issues: (a) her housetraining in general and (b) why there has been a sudden change.

You say the poos are hard - are they harder than usual? Could she be constipated?

 

[Violet Turner]

Its sounds gross but i was not able to squash the poo in the bag as that is what i always check. Her checks:
20/7 @21:09pm

Doris-

temp-37.9

Hr-104b/m

Doris was a bit panty

 

[JudyN]

Its sounds gross but i was not able to squash the poo in the bag

So is that significantly harder than usual or not? If she's constipated, would you be able to tell this by palpating her abdomen? (I couldn't, but I dare say vets can.)

 

[Violet Turner]

Yes, this hardness is abnormal for Doris. I can feel a bit of constipation but i will see if ic an get her in at the vets tomorrow .

 

[Nanny71]

Puppy pads are dreadful - all they do is tell the dog that indoor toileting is allowed. Oh, but only sometimes. Or in some places - so basically, they are completely confusing for the poor dog. I cannot express how much I wish they were never invented.

As I remember you are a professional dog walker so toilet training should be very achievable. On the assumption this is not a sudden change, which might indicate a medical rather than behavioural issue, the key is to have her out before she needs to toilet - so very frequently - and to give high value rewards when she does toilet outside. You want her to learn that outdoor toilets bring the best of rewards so she really wants to hold her toilet so she can earn this lovely reward. She is around 6 months now isn't she? So by now she should be reliably clean. If it isn't medical, go back to basics. Out every hour or so without fail, every outdoor toilet earns chicken or frankfurter sausage and a huge happy dance. Indoors if there are accidents clean up with an enzymatic cleaner and leave the cleaner down for ten minutes before you wipe it up to give it time to work.

I like puppy pads. For the first six months of his life Dudley was mainly living in a flat, making puppy pads a bit of a necessity. When he came permanently to us I left the pads down but took him outside every two hours. After little less than two weeks he didn't use the pads at all. A small downside was he then decided he wouldn't poo in the garden so his last outing before bed meant I had to wander about the village green at 10pm. He still rarely poos in the garden but we no longer need a 10pm walk as he seems to have sorted that himself.

 

[JudyN]

I like puppy pads. For the first six months of his life Dudley was mainly living in a flat, making puppy pads a bit of a necessity. When he came permanently to us I left the pads down but took him outside every two hours. After little less than two weeks he didn't use the pads at all. A small downside was he then decided he wouldn't poo in the garden so his last outing before bed meant I had to wander about the village green at 10pm. He still rarely poos in the garden but we no longer need a 10pm walk as he seems to have sorted that himself.

I think it's a case of some things working for some people and not for others. I used a lot of newspaper with Jasper at the start - overnight the room was almost fully carpeted with newspaper so he coudn't help but go on it! Then I gradually reduced the amount of newspaper and moved it towards the back door... It worked for us, and I'm sure puppy pads work for many, but it could lengthen the time it takes to housetrain, and some dogs will remain convinced that it's fine to 'go' inside, and the carpet feels a bit like puppy pads...

 

[excuseme]

I have never used puppy pads and I would never even consider them!
My parents used news paper for training puppies and this has always been what I use too.
All of our lot are clean in the house, but they do like some fresh paper to be left out in the back yard if the gate is not open for them to use the garden, and especially if it is raining.

 

[Nanny71]

I think it's a case of some things working for some people and not for others. I used a lot of newspaper with Jasper at the start - overnight the room was almost fully carpeted with newspaper so he coudn't help but go on it! Then I gradually reduced the amount of newspaper and moved it towards the back door... It worked for us, and I'm sure puppy pads work for many, but it could lengthen the time it takes to housetrain, and some dogs will remain convinced that it's fine to 'go' inside, and the carpet feels a bit like puppy pads...

I can see the point but we didn't cover the house with pads, he had one at a time. It did work for us but as I said he lived in a flat previously.