Fighting[?] And Disqualification

[Darcia]

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In response to Darcia's comment about the programme - fill it in after you have judged the race, not use your programme as the line results form.  That way no-one can accuse you of favouritism!

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Which is what I said that we did do in the post above :thumbsup:

 

[Mark Roberts]

you can have all the training in the world but in the end its down to personal opinion and the mates network.

 

[Judy]

you can have all the training in the world but in the end its down to personal opinion and the mates network.

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Its remarks like this that make getting a half way judge so difficult.

 

[Mark Roberts]

Its remarks like this that make getting a half way judge so difficult

so is everyone saying it doesnt happen?.

it's line judges being abused for a decission that makes it difficult to get line & 1/2 way judges.

 

[jade]

i also help out on the line from time to time you are doing no favour to anyone as if it gets through to the next round it will go out anyway it about trusting people like at oxford when it was pouring down and there were very few wanting to:do it no jugdes no racing and if you not happy you can always help out as for the comment of laying on another dog it should never be dq this is part of racing as long as it does not turn it head to fight its all part of racing

 

[Judy]

Well said Jane.

 

[TC]

Well said Jane.

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I have watched this topic with great interest. I'm very lucky to have a dog that doesn't interfere :sweating: but it is good to know the rules and regulations.

I was a bit worried about my dogs performance on Sunday during his semi final in the Open. As a rule he always runs to the right (I have been led to believe this may be because he is trying to head off the lure as he lure courses and catches live)

He seems to be okay if he is in the No 1 trap, but any of the others and he feels the need to cut straight across and to the outside. He does this immediately after coming out of the traps.

Anyway....on Sunday he was in the No 3 trap, and did exactly that, although he met with a bump as the dog in the No 4 trap came out and ran to the left. It was a hefty knock. Was either dog at fault as this is clearly their natural instinct? Neither dog batted an eyelid to the other although mine did not recover quite as well so lost some time (typical (w00t) )

A couple of people have suggested investigating getting him seeded, as he always does this immediately he traps out so he would be perceived as a dog that like to run right?

If anyone has any ideas on this I'd appreciate it

TCx

With regards to line judging, I totally resent the accusation that there is cheating involved. It actually infuriates me. I have done lots of line judging at club level, and have now attended 3 opens and judged at every one.

I'm not after the sympathy vote, but I just want to get something through to those out there who just complain and never volunteer themselves.

When I judge, it is to the detriment of my dog's performance which makes me very upset. If I am not next to the car he is a maniac, desperate for his next go. I'm not saying this is anyone's fault (and before people tell me to park miles away that doesn't make a blind bit of difference) but he wastes so much energy when I am judging. If I am near or next to the car he is much better. SO I freely give my time and lessen my dogs chances by helping all of you out and providing a judge. That's why I get cross when people are moaning.

If you want my personal opinion (and to be honest I'm so cross I'm going to give it anyway) I think those that complain about this are totally out of order. I have judged with my programme and to think that others may have construed that as me favouring someone I find absurd. If I didn't you wouldn't get the poxy results put up on K9. Not only have I no idea who people are, I can tell everyone now for a fact that when judging, the only reason I refer to the programme would be to say 'it's a 5 dog race next' etc and to fill in the results. Names don't some into it for a second :angry:

It is so hard to judge as it is, and all you are worried about is, was that 1, 3, 4, 2!!

I have also judged without a programme, like at the Oxford Open purely because it was so damn wet I asked someone else to do it for me. I am very grateful to Jayne (Haycroft on here) as without her help I wouldn't have had any results.

During the time I judged at Oxford there were numerous announcements made about needing more judges. Did anyone step forward? I felt awful just having to leave them in the lurch when I had to go and get my dog ready, but I had no choice. The same as when we were down to two because one of the other people who were judging had no option but to go and pick up their dog and take it back.

What next, is someone going to complain that there shouldn't have only been two judges?????? Stop complaining and volunteer then!

At the end of the day, it is the same people that I see judging all the time. I have never felt for one second that anyone has tried to influence me into a result, and I think it is disgusting that this is being insinuated.

I can tell you know that I am now seriously considering not helping for fear that someone might think that I am cheating, and this upsets me because I always like to help out where I can. I hate letting my club down.

TCx

 

[Joanna]

I take it you are a bit cross Tracy :- "

I actually don't think cheating occurs in this way and I feel a similar resentment. I use the programme in the same way as Tracy and it is all so fast that I can't even imagine how any-one would be able to cheat even if they wanted to! I have only just started line judging at Open level, I would be perfect to be knobbled if it occurred. I have only experienced a strong desire to get it RIGHT from other judges.

As for half-way judges, good on any-one who volunteers to do it, it cannot be a pleasant job, but I think it needs experienced racers to take on the role. As I have said before, ANY_ONE who threatens or abuses ANY official should incur a RED card and be asked to leave the meeting and banned for a period of time. THAT would sort out THAT!

 

[Judy]

I totally agree with you Tracy

This thread seems to have gone off topic now and is beginning to cause some ill feeling so I'm closing it.