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As some of you know, my Mum rescued a 16 week old whippet last weekend. In many ways he's been the perfect dog but has one problem that we are trying to address - I'm not worried about it because I think it's understandable but my Mum got herself convinced it was a sign of someting deeper. I'll explain!

Every evening when my Mum and Dad try to sit in the living room and watch TV, Sidney goes manic. Now this is not the usual whippie running around and high jinks and mouthing that I had with R and G (the typical 'mad half hour'). He jumps from one sofa to other like a demon and is actively going for them and biting - nasty biting, going for the throat at one point and trying to injure their hands and faces. He gets himself really worked up, snarling and flinging himself about out of control. My Mum says she can't do anything because she is getting scared of him biting and got convinced he had a nasty streak. Fopr the last three days my Mum and Dad have stayed in their kitchen/ dining room with him all evening because he is as good as gold in there but clearly that's no way to live!

My take on this is that this whippet has had four homes in 16 weeks. He has been shoved in a garage every night at his second home and ignored. He is a darling during the day so he does not have a 'nasty streak' because it would show at various times during the day, not just in the evening. I think he gets extremely anxious that he is going to be dumped in a garage again and takes pre-emptive strikes! I was so worried that my Mum and Dad would be adding to the problem by giving up on him that last night I went around determined to sort it out. I thought she might be exaggerating about his behaviour but she wasn't - it was extremely bad.

We took him for a long walk to make sure he was quite tired and then took him home. My Mum and I sat in the living room with Sid and started watching TV as she and my Dad would do and at first Sid was great. However after about ten minuted he became a demon and was in real danger of hurting us or himself. I tried holding him but he became more feisty and out of control and it didn't achieve anything - he was really trying to hurt me/ protect himself. I decided to try time out. My Mum hadn't done this because she was worried that the dining room ( a room he is calm in) would then become a 'punishment' room but as we were doing time out for only 20 seconds til he calmed, I don't think it's a problem - it is his 'calm' room, not a jail!

As soon as he started attacking, I scooped him up (he's still attacking at this point, my Mum feared for my face!) and put him in the dining room. He scratched for a few seconds but I told him to 'sit' and bless him he calmed down immediately and sat, so I let him in. It only took three times of doing this when he was naughty and he came back, played normally and then fell asleep on me. When he was asleep I could stroke him, move him, lie my head on him etc and he was a darling. I could tell by his breathing he was in a completely different state of mind.

I've suggested to my Mum to change his food to JW anyway to make it easier when the dogs are in each other's houses and I think better food would calm him. I think he's been through a tough time and is anxious, not nasty, and with exercise, discipline, routine and cuddles he will get over it. Please help me convince my Mum though! She is worried that he could revert to this when older and do some damage. What do you think?

BTW, Sorry such a long post but I've told my Mum I would never speak to her again if she gives up on this dear little fella!
 
He sounds stressed out of his mind when in there . When you don't know what has happened to him before it may be that he has been beaten if he went into the livingroom in one of his homes . You could try making going in there a good experience ie give him something which is a treat for him ie kong or something similar so he has something to do when in there . Also make his time in there short and build it up . If you know when he gets to the stressed out stage get him out before that point .

I don't think he has a nasty streak in him or it would be evident at other times but he has been messed around and kindness , consistency and routine will resolve this situation . I feel sorry for him I really do someone has done something very bad to him to get him into this state especially at such a young age :(
 
so sorry to hear your folks are having problems, your mum needs to stay calm as he will feed off her :(

easier said than done i know!

maybe when they sit in the lounge, put a lead on him that way removing him from the room will be less stress than carrying him out, also when he thinks about darting around they will have hold of him to control him and snap him out of it ;)

i really hope it works out for both your folks and this little chap.....maybe evening in the sitting room should be with a bone to break the habit in his head, he might just settle down and chew his bone

good luck with him :luck: :luck:
 
you know what it sounds a little like what tyg did with us a few times,

it wasnt like every night at the same times, it was like he would get so excited playing, he didnt know how to controll his self or calm himself down, and if you tried to go near him he snapped at you and you arms, hand whatever got it.

he only did it a couple of times, and i gave him a time out, i put him in the crate and when he seemed to be calm he was aloud back out, (but straight back in if he did it again)

im not sure if this was the right thing to do, but i couldnt risk him nipping zoe or kyle, or ruby and star having enough and retaliating and either them or tyg getting hurt.

It definatly wasnt a nasty thing as he was an angle 99% of the time, he only did it maybe twice, 3 times at the most, and it was in the first week he was here.

i put it down to a few thing maybe,

- possibily he was taken away from his mum to soon and hadnt been told of as the mum would do when the pups misbehave?? so hadnt learnt to controll himself? (only a guess as no idea when he was taken away from his mum)

- built up energy from needing a good walk he hadnt had any jags so couldnt go out, (but as it only happened the first week i would say no)

- not being used to playing with people/dogs, being left on his own for to long

- or i wondered if all puppys do it, but i had missed it as Ruby and Star took their energy out on each other rather than us, so maybe all single puppys did it??

i have no idea what the reason was but the time out definatly worked for us, as the second week he was with us he was a perfect angel o:)

i hope your mum can sort him out im sure he just needs time to settle into his new home, :huggles:

good luck :luck: :luck:
 
Thanks for the replies so far. Sid does have toys and a chew toy in the living room but perhaps a Kong type toy would keep him more focussed as he would have something more concrete to do. I'll get him one today as I was going to pick up some JW puppy food for him as well.

We did try keeping a lead on him but to be honest he was twisting and fighting so much we were really worried he would injure his neck :(

We can also try keeping the doors open so he can go in the living room on his own if he wants to. The living room is the only room he's peed in as well (he goes over the the door frame and cocks his leg) which makes me think he really has associated it with something bad from his past.

Poor Siddy.
 
Thanks for the replies so far. Sid does have toys and a chew toy in the living room but perhaps a Kong type toy would keep him more focussed as he would have something more concrete to do. I'll get him one today as I was going to pick up some JW puppy food for him as well. We did try keeping a lead on him but to be honest he was twisting and fighting so much we were really worried he would injure his neck :(

We can also try keeping the doors open so he can go in the living room on his own if he wants to. The living room is the only room he's peed in as well (he goes over the the door frame and cocks his leg) which makes me think he really has associated it with something bad from his past.

Poor Siddy.

what food is he on??

i never even thought of that, as Tyg was fed bakers before he came to us, (i fed him JW and natures diet puppy)

so maybe it was all the junk in the bakers, and thats why it only happened a couple of times in the fiirst week, as it would have been out his system very soon?
 
Katie, what you've said makes a lot of sense. Ros and Grover were off lead in our garden with Sid for the first time yesterday and he was quite feisty with them, more confident than you would think a pup faced with two big dogs should be. He snapped at them a few times and they should have snapped back to teach him some manners but they are too nice and just ran away. Doh! I think he just hasn't been taught his place by dogs.

Also, ours as littermates did learn all this off each other so had no real need to test boundaries with humans.

Poor Siddy is a bit mixed up but I think he will be super when he's been there a few weeks. Like I said to my Mum, it has taken him 8 weeks to learn this behaviour - it will take at least 8 weeks to unlearn it.
 
Katie, what you've said makes a lot of sense. Ros and Grover were off lead in our garden with Sid for the first time yesterday and he was quite feisty with them, more confident than you would think a pup faced with two big dogs should be. He snapped at them a few times and they should have snapped back to teach him some manners but they are too nice and just ran away. Doh! I think he just hasn't been taught his place by dogs.Also, ours as littermates did learn all this off each other so had no real need to test boundaries with humans.

Poor Siddy is a bit mixed up but I think he will be super when he's been there a few weeks. Like I said to my Mum, it has taken him 8 weeks to learn this behaviour - it will take at least 8 weeks to unlearn it.

thats bang on what ruby and star did most times, they would run the other way lol, big wooses.

but yeah, that seemed the most likely thing to me that he hadnt been tought by other dogs, how to behave :b
 
I wonder if being overtired might have something to do with it as well? Grace went through a phase for a few weeks, when she was a young puppy, of being really hyper and bitey at bedtime. I was having to put thick gloves on to be able to handle her without getting painfully bitten. Once I could get her under the covers she would crash out and sleep, but the half hour before that was sheer hell and for a while I was seriously worried about whether I could cope. I found that giving her time out in her puppy pen for a few minutes to calm down helped a lot, and when she was old enough to be let off the lead for a good sprint the phase passed. Good luck to your mum, I'm sure together you will find ways of working through this difficult patch.
 
Poor lad and poor you and your mum. :( One of my rescues had been taken from her 'home' by the RSPCA aged 10/12 months and she displayed all sorts of unacceptable behaviour, including mouthing, destructiveness, soiling the house, lunging and barking at strangers and dogs. To cut a long story short, it took us 12 months to calm her down and there were times when I wondered if we were going to have to hand her back. However, we introduced the crate, fed her in it and made that her 'den' with lots of blankets, toys and a towel half over the outside for her to retreat into if she wanted to. We didn't ever scold her and she had our other bomb-proof rescue dog to take a lead from. I am convinced that ALL her problems were as a result of her dreadful background. We still have issues with her barking at strangers when they ring the door bell but, apart from that, she is a fantastic, loving and well balanced dog. Try to be calm and consistent with your boy ie. everything he probably hasn't had up to now, and I wonder if it would be worth crating him in your sitting room and feeding him in their to start associating it with nice times. When he starts to calm down (however many months it might take), your mum can gradually start to move the crate back into the room she wants it in.

If you can stick with it I am sure your efforts will be rewarded - our little girl is lying with my daughter on her bed fast asleep - something we could only have dreamed of 19 months ago :)) :) ) . Best of Luck :luck: :luck:
 
It sounds like he has never learned bite inhibition due to his unsettled first few months. Of course it would be very difficult to teach him this while he's in such a frantic, upset state so I think your idea of calming him down in a quiet area is a good one. Perhaps if he does any innocent mouthing through the day your mum could start working on the bite inhibition by letting out a loud squeal (even if it is only the gentlest chew of her hand!). Good luck :luck:
 
Aww bless him :( He has had a lot of upset already in his life. Hope he settles down for your mum. Maybe one of those DAP diffuser plug ins in the living room may help him and calm him down. I think they are about £18. You can also get the collars from Viovet, places like Medicanimal and Vetuk will sell them as well. Maybe be less expensive than buying one from your vet :thumbsup:
 
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This afternoon I went to Jollyes and bought Sid a Kong and Stuff'n, some JW puppy food and a DAP diffuser!

I took it all round to my Mum's and we plugged the diffuser in, hoping it would do its little magic (I've never used one before, no idea if they work, just know a few people on here recommend them ;) ) The Kong was a success so Mum is going to keep it as a 'living room' toy so he gets a treat when he's there.

Tonight I went round to do my dog whisperer bit again :lol: :p Sid had already had a walk and we could see he was getting a bit hyper. We went to the living room and he came in for his Kong and played with it for a about ten minutes. He started to become bitey (more than mouthing) so I said 'a-a' and calmly put him in the kitchen. Within 2 seconds he calmed down and sat ( the top of the door is glass so I could see him) so I let him back in. He did it two more times (time out each time for a few seconds) and then gave up, cuddled up with me on the sofa and went to sleep. :wub: Each time was nowhere near as bad as last night, we didn't let him get to the all out panic stage. I swapped seats with my Mum and she could cuddle him on the sofa for the first time since she got him. I'm so pleased - he's a clever fella!

Thanks for all the advice and good wishes :D
 
I'm so pleased to hear you're making progress with Sidney :D

I've only just read through this topic and it's a relief to know that things are improving ... here's hoping he will be the "perfect" whippet in a very short space of time :thumbsup: :luck:
 
Hey Esty

I have faith in you (as Cesar's doppeldanger) - am sure young Sidney will be a civilised member of society in no time! Congrats to your parents for taking him on (even if you "bullied" them a little!LOL)

:luck:

z
 
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you may also like to know that we are doing much the same with Tyg as Katie said he can get like it at night most of the time he is fine but the bitey thing hurts I'm putting it down to the fact that he is unsettled at moveing again he is not to know this is his forever home :)) :) )
 
so glad hes improving :) what a good boy sindney is :wub:

p.s cant believe you have been to see him twice and not posted photos of him either time :eek: :-

sue im sure tyg will stop soon, like i said to esty he only did it a couple of times here then was fine, so much so i forgot he did it unitl esty put up this thread :wacko:

:huggles:
 
Just read through this, well done on the progress made so far :D :D Having just got Maia i realise how quickly you forget how manic they are as puppies, with Maia it is easier as she has Molly, she still has her manic time in the evenings though but we were thinking back to how Molly was and she was a right whirlwind. I have found with Maia that doing a bit of basic training with her when she gets wild helps to refocus her, I just get the treats and clicker out and we work on name, recall and sitting :D

You seem to be doing really well so far, the manic time doesn't last long, I'm sure your mum will have a wonderful, calm dog soon :wub: :wub:
 
It sounds like you are handling things pretty well. Poor little fellow, no wonder he is confused, all those homes in such a short life. If your parents persevere, with your help, he will be fine. I can understand your parents being worried but he has only been with them a week and is of an age where A) he will be testing houserules and B) he does not have experience of how to behave. He cannot understand yet that this is his forever home. I have had all sorts of rescue whippets, some learn pretty quickly and others do take a few months. Toddy (my youngest adoption) has been quite a lesson in perseverance. The time out is VERY importiant, just like with teenagers and their parents, it works!

Please tell your parents that I have never yet met a dangerous or bad natured whippet in all my years of rescue and adoption (12 dogs). He will get better. Your parents are lucky that they have you there for support and you are doing all the right things:)
 
Pleased that you are making progress :) Long may it continue :luck:

You may well be right that Sidney sees your parents settling down in the living room for the eveing as a prelude to him being locked away in a garage or whatever, but it may not be the room/time that is the problem but something that is happening in it that is causing him to panic. We had a rescue who completely freaked out at the sound of 'canned' laughter every time my daughters watched a sitcom ... never did find out why. And years and years ago we had a rescue cat that panicked if you sat down and then crossed your legs, we assumed because at some point she'd rubbed up against someone's crossed legs and been kicked for her trouble. I'd suggest you try things like taking Sidney into the living room but with the television off to see if it makes a difference ... might help if you can determine whether there are environmental factors that are upsetting him because if there are then there are protocols you can follow to desenitise him. Just a thought :thumbsup:

Good luck with him :luck:
 

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