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I went along to Blackpool Champ Show on Friday and have to say I was really shocked by how dog showing has changed from the 20 years ago that I was showing.

I'm shocked because one of the iggie people had won their class and then went along to buy a rossette for their win.

As a lot of you may know, I race non-ped whippets now and a racing win can reward the owner with:

Prize money,

Dog Food,

Rosettes,

Certficates,

Velvet Jackets,

Trophies to keep,

Brass inlaid collars,

Perpetual Shields and Annual trophies.

Very commonly a Supreme win will involve either a velvet jacket or a trophy to keep along with the relevant perpetual shield, prize money and a sack of dog food.

Open heat wins tend to be certficates / Rosettes / small trophy and prize money.

Our entry fees for an open are usually about £3.50 of which 50p goes to the lure kids running up and down the track all day.

Champs entry fees are usually a £5 but in reflection you usually win more as well as your coveted racing Champion Title.

Can someone explain to my why the awarding of rosettes has been axed? I was told entry fees can be £20+ so where's the money going, these things cost pennies for gods sake.

I feel quite guilty about me and my parents cursing about rosettes falling out of cupboards when I was a kid but I'd of been absolutely crestfallen if I hadn't received some little token to commemorate a win. What are people's views?

I've posted this in the whippet show forum basically to get a wide as view as possible.

 

[kris]

ooooh can of worms is the word that comes to mind!lol!have to say though we were both surprised about this and also how much it now costs to show a dog.showing will end up as an elitist hobby in the future.i can remember when we had prize money too!whats happened to showing?wheres all the money going nowadays? :blink:

 

[GotWhippet?]

Same thing has happened here in Australia. I had newfs as a youngin for 10+ yrs. Stopped showing in 1993 or so. Came back to the show ring in 2006 with whips and noticed a HUGE difference. Actually now you get prize money whereas before you use to get all sorts of garb. I almost stocked my whole kitchen with appliances I won at shows. We even won a set of car tyres.

The dog shows back in the 80's and early 90's were massive compared to today. The big ones for the year (excluding the royal) being the EXPO weekend and the Australia Day International dog club. Both had a full international program and we use to get many exhibitors from interstate. We use to get specialists that would even judge the group :lol: . I have seen programs in the last couple of years where whip specialists are judging other groups.

The entry fees have gone up (as does everything). I use to pay $3 or so for an entry and now it's $9+. Petrol is more expensive and the judging pool to choose from is smaller.

 

[JAX]

At champ shows the only time you get rosettes is breed clubs . Some SKC give for 1 st palce and thats about it

Even the HOUND show , who used to give prize money , only give cards

I suppose they ( the commiittee) think Champ show exhibitors dont wantrosettes and only open showers arebothered about them ,but even there some open shows only give first.

Ive been in it so long :- " , I only keep BOB , Group etc and champ show first r

osettes and give the others back to the society , and thats not because Im blase` :b . but ive run out of room , and the society needs to save monies where it can IMO

It is a shame though for new people starting out

 

[saraquele]

i personally think its awfull that they(shows) dont bother with rosettes i understand where jax is coming from being in it for a lot longer than me and maybe in a few years i will feel the same BUT being new to showing i do cherish the rosettes i win and display them all :b

with the cost of entry fees being £22 now with an average of 200 + whippets ( not to mention all the other breeds ) at general champ shows i think rosettes should be awarded even if its only to 3rd place then cards for res and vhc ??

as i say thats only my view and i respect everyone elses views too :thumbsup:

 

[WIGGY]

thats terrible if you pay £22 a entry its not to much to ask for a rosette that you have worked to win. we go to horse shows most weekends entries range from£3.50 to £5.00 and the girls always get a rosette to 6th place and very often a throphy as well.we had one of our riding clubs presintation evenings saturday and came home with 11 very fancy rosettes along with 11 beautifull trophys and the tickets for the evening were £6 adult and £3 a child. we had a hog roast buffet, bouncy castle and disco so a very enjoyable and reasonably priced evening.

 

[Alayna Morland]

At champ shows the only time you get rosettes is breed clubs  . Some SKC give for 1 st palce and thats about it 
Even the HOUND show , who used to give prize money , only give cards 

I suppose they ( the commiittee) think Champ show exhibitors dont wantrosettes and only open showers arebothered about them  ,but even there some open shows only give first.

Ive been in it so long :- "  , I only keep BOB , Group etc and champ show first r

osettes and give the others back to the society , and thats not because Im blase` :b   . but ive run out of room , and the society needs to save monies where it can IMO

It is a shame though for new people starting out

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Don't forgot Boston! I have sponsered rosettes 1st to 5th in every class for whippets for the last two Champ Shows and will continue to do this now that we have CC's.

However, please remember the rising costs that the Champ Shows are also facing it costs thousands and thousands just for someone to park cars and collect removal passes!

Alayna x

 

[dolly]

When Tracey and I judged SWKA in 2005, we bought rosettes for out 1st prize winners, CC winners, res CC winner, and bp in each sex. I believe they were very much appreciated.

 

[Sarsanet]

When Tracey and I judged SWKA in 2005, we bought rosettes for out 1st prize winners, CC winners, res CC winner, and bp in each sex.  I believe they were very much appreciated.

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I showed my Aussie dog at Crufts in 1993. When he won a place I had to go & buy my rosette, they even asked me which colour I would like! I didn't have to prove my win, they didn't care, I could buy any placing I wanted.

When we won at an Open Show, or an Exemption Show, we went home with a swag of prizes!

Here in Oz. we get silly little scraps of ribbon most of the time that most people put back in the box when they leave the ring. Most don't even keep the challenge ribbon, all they want is the card showing the number of points gained towards the dog's title. You have to win in the Goup before you get a ribbon/sash worth having but even then a rosette would be better because it's easier to display if you've a mind to.

Gail.

 

[dolly]

Crufts now give rossettes 1st to 3rd, with cards to VHC

 

[Sarsanet]

Crufts now give rossettes 1st to 3rd, with cards to VHC

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My point exactly. If they award cards to VHC, why not rosettes too? Especially as they are so prized at Crufts.

Gail

 

[T Hoare]

When Tracey and I judged SWKA in 2005, we bought rosettes for out 1st prize winners, CC winners, res CC winner, and bp in each sex.  I believe they were very much appreciated.

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I still remember that day well. :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

However, please remember the rising costs that the Champ Shows are also facing it costs thousands and thousands just for someone to park cars and collect removal passes!
Alayna x

You see this is what I find a little perplexing, the costs of running a show. Apart from Crufts, none of the events to my knowledge are held in 'exclusive' areas? (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) and the likes of Crufts must generate plenty of income through it's trade stands alone.

Straight racing for us can generally find us using sports centres grounds and such but their use doesn't equate into the thousands. In fact the revenue generated from eating /drinking seems to be adequate in itself. But then we can drink a fair bit! :lol:

When we hire out greyhound stadiums, you would expect this to be our biggest liability but at £200 / £400 it's a far cry from the alleged costs of show events and these costs include the staffing of the stadium.

Lurcher racing seems to drop on with some of the nicest locations, country manors and such and they're invited to run their events there for free!

Is it the cost of tents and marquees? A little bird told me that the show benches are a hefty wack on the wallet, is there genuine need for these? It certainly didn't seem so on Friday at Blackpool as many were deserted.

Are people employed at these events? The reason I ask is that at racing, the host club / working committee is involved in organising the event, we don't get paid, we just all muck in. For one we certainly don't need parking stewards as common sense has prevailed when parking one's vehicle. When my dog fouls, I clean it up and any litter I make goes into a bin or comes home with me.

I think because racing relies on teamwork, our costs are kept down. But there's another advantage, because we all have to muck in to pull off a safe and enjoyable days racing, we all have to get along with each other.

The only valid reason I can think of is the size of of dog shows, I presume events accomodate thousands consistently? The only flaw with this though is that back in the 80's when I was showing, attending entries were vastly bigger than they are now, entry fees were lower and you always won a rosette and prize money. :wacko:

 

[JAX]

When Tracey and I judged SWKA in 2005, we bought rosettes for out 1st prize winners, CC winners, res CC winner, and bp in each sex.  I believe they were very much appreciated.

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I still remember that day well. :thumbsup:

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Me too , thanks for the rosette Tracy :huggles:

 

[JAX]

At champ shows the only time you get rosettes is breed clubs  . Some SKC give for 1 st palce and thats about it 
Even the HOUND show , who used to give prize money , only give cards 

I suppose they ( the commiittee) think Champ show exhibitors dont wantrosettes and only open showers arebothered about them  ,but even there some open shows only give first.

Ive been in it so long :- "   , I only keep BOB , Group etc and champ show first r

osettes and give the others back to the society , and thats not because Im blase` :b   . but ive run out of room , and the society needs to save monies where it can IMO

It is a shame though for new people starting out

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Don't forgot Boston! I have sponsered rosettes 1st to 5th in every class for whippets for the last two Champ Shows and will continue to do this now that we have CC's.

However, please remember the rising costs that the Champ Shows are also facing it costs thousands and thousands just for someone to park cars and collect removal passes!Alayna x

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Yes , and we are very grateful too Alayna

I really dont think people reaslise just how much these extra `little `bits cost , and at the end of the day we do want to make sure our dogs are only going home with their rightful owners dont we :huggles:

 

[chelynnah]

However, please remember the rising costs that the Champ Shows are also facing it costs thousands and thousands just for someone to park cars and collect removal passes!
Alayna x

You see this is what I find a little perplexing, the costs of running a show. Apart from Crufts, none of the events to my knowledge are held in 'exclusive' areas? (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) and the likes of Crufts must generate plenty of income through it's trade stands alone.

Straight racing for us can generally find us using sports centres grounds and such but their use doesn't equate into the thousands. In fact the revenue generated from eating /drinking seems to be adequate in itself. But then we can drink a fair bit! :lol:

When we hire out greyhound stadiums, you would expect this to be our biggest liability but at £200 / £400 it's a far cry from the alleged costs of show events and these costs include the staffing of the stadium.

Lurcher racing seems to drop on with some of the nicest locations, country manors and such and they're invited to run their events there for free!

Is it the cost of tents and marquees? A little bird told me that the show benches are a hefty wack on the wallet, is there genuine need for these? It certainly didn't seem so on Friday at Blackpool as many were deserted.

Are people employed at these events? The reason I ask is that at racing, the host club / working committee is involved in organising the event, we don't get paid, we just all muck in. For one we certainly don't need parking stewards as common sense has prevailed when parking one's vehicle. When my dog fouls, I clean it up and any litter I make goes into a bin or comes home with me.

I think because racing relies on teamwork, our costs are kept down. But there's another advantage, because we all have to muck in to pull off a safe and enjoyable days racing, we all have to get along with each other.

The only valid reason I can think of is the size of of dog shows, I presume events accomodate thousands consistently? The only flaw with this though is that back in the 80's when I was showing, attending entries were vastly bigger than they are now, entry fees were lower and you always won a rosette and prize money. :wacko:

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I would equate the meets and things that you're describing with a large open show. At a large open show you are talking an entry of approx 1000 dogs at the most.

For a 3 day Championship show you are talking THOUSANDS of dogs and people. The scale is many times the scale of people/dogs/arrangements that you are talkign about for your events.

Benches are an issue that have been talked about, and for the most part I don't use mine if it's a nice day, but would have been lost without them on Saturday with the foul weather or at Bath.

The tents and benches do cost a lot, yes, you do have to pay car park attendants and the people who collect the tickets. In some instances these are staff of the grounds you are renting and are part and parcel of the package you have to pay for. At an open show it would be like what you are describing - volunteers for duties like that.

I was on a local committee and the money we would spend (and we give out posh rosettes too!) on a show would be well in the thousands and the return for that was about £100 if anything - most of that made off the raffle. More often we would break even, and just be grateful we didn't lose money on a show. And when I think how much more goes into a Ch show, well......

Do I wish costs were less? Absolutely! Do I wish they would give out rosettes? Sure, but if that tacked on another few quid to our entries, and we saw people just chucking them away what would be be doing then? Griping about the wastage and why are we paying for rosettes people are chucking away.

For me I'm still new enough that I keep and store my rosettes, and I save and file all my cards and critiques, and I buy rosettes when I place at Champ shows. There may be a day when I don't keep the lesser rosettes, but for now everything we do means something and those rosettes are an accomplishment for me and my girls. I can't envision a day when I won't keep their cards filed away.

What I personally object to is additional parking fees! I'd rather pay an extra £1 on entries if necessary. I feel I'm paying enough for the show why should I pay an extra £5 on top of that for parking. I'd rather it just be lost in the fees.

Anyway, just some mutterings

Wendy

 

[fable]

I didn't realise you could buy rosettes at champ shows :wacko: . I save all my cards and rosettes ( from open shows ) - a few of my most prized ones are on a board in my study, the rest get put in a box - which will eventually get put in the loft, along with the hoard we've accumulated from horse shows over the years. I think horse shows generally give much nicer rosettes, although it seems as if it's the small shows that give the very elaborate ones- often county shows just give single tier ones - and you can pay as much as £40 to enter one class (w00t) .

Val

 

[neave]

Some kind people will donate rossettes for the day of the show i think this is more common in limit and open shows maybe we should start doing this for champs shows as well just a thought :thumbsup:

 

[chelynnah]

I didn't realise you could buy rosettes at champ shows  :wacko: . I save all my cards and rosettes  ( from open shows )  - a few of my most prized ones are on a board in my study, the rest get put in a box - which will eventually get put in the loft, along with the hoard we've  accumulated from horse shows over the years. I think horse shows generally give much nicer rosettes, although  it seems as if it's the small shows that give the very elaborate ones- often county shows just give single tier ones - and you can pay as much as £40 to enter one class  (w00t) .
Val

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Dalsetters sells them at Ch shows with the show logo on them. Next show you see them at you really should get one from them for Bath :thumbsup: . They will do them for shows other than the one they're at as they keep stock of all the centres for the shows they do.

Wendy

 

[fable]

:cheers: Thanks for that info Wendy - I'll look out for them - I daresay they'll be at Windsor. :thumbsup:

Val