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:unsure: I have 6 dogs - 4 whippet 2 papillons. 1 dog, pap constantly pees indoors we have just moved into our new house, he ruined our last house, flooring, bed legs and kitchen units! He is 3 years old, and has done this since I got him at 4 months old, then he was just allowed to pee anywhere which I think is where prob stems from, but no matter how hard I have tried he still wees everwhere, he will even do it in front of you! Trouble is, the whippet boys (3 of them) are also now doing it too... this is making me feel very depressed as I am constantly cleaning pee up, I only have to leave the room and they will pee up everthing... new suite, walls you name it! My husband says get rid of pap, but I could'nt do that, I just need help stopping him doing it...

Thought about tethering him to me, but as soon as I go out he will pee.... even if he is left for a few seconds he does it, he is not left on his own either... driving us mad!!!!!!! :rant:

I know they have just moved into house, but they were in this house before, we had to move into our caravan whilst we did major work on house, so they have all lived here before... hope this makes sense...

Have heard that putting vinegar on floor where dog pees will stop them peeing there... have tried lots of products, including bio- or non biological washing powder too, none have worked..

 

[snapdogs]

please...

 

[caitlin]

It sounds like you have a lot of dogs!! I have had trouble with a bitch peeing in the house but I only have one dog and ........ you may not like my suggestion, but before you have all six of them peeing all over your house, maybe it is time to re-home the papillon to someone who can give it a bit more attention (not that you aren't giving enough, but with six!!!) Sometimes, you have to put yourself first - and 6 dogs is definitely a pack and they will probably just all get worse together.

p.s this is just what I would try to do - perhaps others will have some more practical suggestions. I washed the floor with biological powder etc. and in the end it just took time - yours has had 3 years now!

Good luck :luck: :luck:

 

[~Sarah~]

Hi

Sorry to hear you are having problems with your Papillon.

Is he castrated? What are the sexes of your other dogs? If he is an entire male and living with any unspayed bitches this won't help the situation.

Are you able to crate him when he is left? They don't normally pee in their own bed so it could help. I think you may need to go back to basics with him (as if he is a puppy) - frequent trips to the garden and loads of praise when he goes outside. If you can't crate him I would certainly restrict him to the kitchen while you are unable to watch him. Personally I would restrict all the dogs who are peeing to areas where you can clean more easily, until you have sorted the problem.

Just another thought - have you had him checked by the vet? He may have a urine infection or some other problem.

I am sure others on K9 will advise about the best cleaning products to use to discourage them.

 

[Debbie b]

Personnally i would castrate him if he is not already done, then as sarah has suggested is crate him, and keep all the dogs when your not around in a safe place where it is easy to clean,

Is there anyway that he could be kept in a heated if possible kennel with a run and come indoors when you are there and then be put back outside at night or if you can't keep an eye on him, it might seem cruel but the thought of the expense sounds worse to me.

hope you get the results you want

 

[FifeJillandIan]

Try not to react at all when he does it and don't even let him see you clean it up - give no reward (i.e. attention - even if it is frustrated attention) for this behaviour and, of course, lots and lots of praise when he goes outside. You could try using a command when he does pee outside and encourage him to use one particular place in the garden - hopefully this will help to put yourself in control of the situation so it is very clear to him what you want him to do and when.

I agree with the crating suggestion - maybe just long enough to break the habit and that would also stop the other dogs who are copying - sounds like he might be scent marking rather than actually being desperate for a pee - good luck :luck:

 

[Hula]

Personnally i would castrate him if he is not already done, then as sarah has suggested is crate him, and keep all the dogs when your not around in a safe place where it is easy to clean, Is there anyway that he could be kept in a heated if possible kennel with a run and come indoors when you are there and then be put back outside at night or if you can't keep an eye on him, it might seem cruel but the thought of the expense sounds worse to me.

hope you get the results you want

I agree with Debbie , also I would not even consider rehoming as you will just be passing the problem on to someone else

 

[nina]

Unfortunately Paps like a lot of the Toy breeds are notorious for this especially the males.

I know first hand it can be an absolute nightmare & once one does it any other males in the house will copy. As has already been said your first port of call should be to get him castrated & fast, i found this the only true way of minimizing the constant leg cocking.

If you are able to get all other males in the house castrated as well then personally i would go ahead unless of course you are showing or wanting to use them at stud?

The pap i would have done asap & then clean the main area's where he goes thoroughly with a strong disinfectant & then invest in a can of Repellent from the pet shop & spray the area's that you can which he generally uses, ive found this spray extremely effective.

Once he has been castrated you will find he will lose the desire to keep cocking his leg & scent marking almost immediately, any accidents try & make sure you catch him & then really chastise him telling him sternly what a BAD dog he is, he will soon lose the urge to continue doing it & will be a much nicer dog to live with.

Good luck.

 

[snapdogs]

Thanks for all your replies so far, I cannot get him castrated as he needs those bits as I show him... all our dogs except one are entire, and the one who has been castrated also pee's where the monster has pee'd I know that they are doing it, because the pap has done it.... I have watched him pee in front of me before, he does not see it as doing wrong no matter how cross I get with him... If I think he is going to cock his leg I just shout 'AHH' and he runs away, but it is very depressing, I already said I would not get rid of him, he is a funny dog with other people, used to growl at me when I picked him up, but I just kept picking him up all the time, and now he does not do it.... I have made him belly bands and he just soaks these but I will try them with sanitary pads in them I think.... I know that I could not put him in a kennel, as he would howl the place down, he likes being with the other dogs, but I am just fed up with him leading them all astray... There must be some way of curbing this bad behaviour, without him ruining my new home... he has cost me a lot of money!

If I kept him tethered to me, if I leave him to go to work then he will just start peeing again.... I do let him out regularly perhaps I should spend a few days just keep putting him outside every 20 minutes, saw that on a tv programme once.... that seemed to work for the toy dogs that were causing the same problem...

To the person who said I had a lot of dogs, well I know loads of other people who have a lot more... LOL

 

[snapdogs]

Hi
Sorry to hear you are having problems with your Papillon.

Is he castrated? What are the sexes of your other dogs? If he is an entire male and living with any unspayed bitches this won't help the situation.

Are you able to crate him when he is left? They don't normally pee in their own bed so it could help. I think you may need to go back to basics with him (as if he is a puppy) - frequent trips to the garden and loads of praise when he goes outside. If you can't crate him I would certainly restrict him to the kitchen while you are unable to watch him. Personally I would restrict all the dogs who are peeing to areas where you can clean more easily, until you have sorted the problem.

Just another thought - have you had him checked by the vet? He may have a urine infection or some other problem.

I am sure others on K9 will advise about the best cleaning products to use to discourage them.

If it is an infection he has had it for nearly four years, cos he is four in august LOL

 

[snapdogs]

It sounds like you have a lot of dogs!! I have had trouble with a bitch peeing in the house but I only have one dog and ........ you may not like my suggestion, but before you have all six of them peeing all over your house, maybe it is time to re-home the papillon to someone who can give it a bit more attention (not that you aren't giving enough, but with six!!!) Sometimes, you have to put yourself first - and 6 dogs is definitely a pack and they will probably just all get worse together.
p.s this is just what I would try to do - perhaps others will have some more practical suggestions. I washed the floor with biological powder etc. and in the end it just took time - yours has had 3 years now!

Good luck :luck: :luck:

I would not re-home, I would just be passing the problem onto someone else, he would just get passed around.... from person to person until the end of his days, it is only the boys who pee to, not my two girls..... As for your sugestion that someone else will show him more attention, I am really upset by your suggestion that because I have 6 dogs they do not get attention, you do not know me or my dogs... I worship my dogs no matter how naughty they are I still love them!

 

[nina]

Thanks for all your replies so far, I cannot get him castrated as he needs those bits as I show him... all our dogs except one are entire, and the one who has been castrated also pee's where the monster has pee'd I know that they are doing it, because the pap has done it.... I have watched him pee in front of me before, he does not see it as doing wrong no matter how cross I get with him... If I think he is going to cock his leg I just shout 'AHH' and he runs away, but it is very depressing, I already said I would not get rid of him, he is a funny dog with other people, used to growl at me when I picked him up, but I just kept picking him up all the time, and now he does not do it.... I have made him belly bands and he just soaks these but I will try them with sanitary pads in them I think.... I know that I could not put him in a kennel, as he would howl the place down, he likes being with the other dogs, but I am just fed up with him leading them all astray... There must be some way of curbing this bad behaviour, without him ruining my new home... he has cost me a lot of money!

If I kept him tethered to me, if I leave him to go to work then he will just start peeing again.... I do let him out regularly perhaps I should spend a few days just keep putting him outside every 20 minutes, saw that on a tv programme once.... that seemed to work for the toy dogs that were causing the same problem...

To the person who said I had a lot of dogs, well I know loads of other people who have a lot more... LOL

I thought that might be the case that you were showing him in which obviously you would not want to castrate him.

I'm afraid in which case you are just gonna have to get on with it, cos i can tell you from past experience & beleive me ive tried it all, wee pads, training, citronella collars, belly bands, newspaper, deterents, you name ive tried it & they DONT work!! :angry:

Incidentally regarding the comments on you having a lot of dogs, what on earth has that got to do with anything???? :blink:

The pap would scent mark whether you had 6 dogs or 60!!! And for the record most folk i know have far more than 6 dogs

 

[Whippets Rule]

personally I think crating him when you are absent is a must if you really want to stop this problem and I think you'd have to put up with him howling initially when left crated but they do generally get over that... to be honest sometimes you have to do things you don't really want, to obtain the end result.

Tethering him to you when you're home and crating him when left would break the cycle but if you aren't prepared to crate him when you are out or build him a secure kennel and run in the garden, then you will pretty much end up having to put up with the problem.

For me personally I couldn't stand having a dog that pees in the house (other than the odd accident)and if it meant not being able to show him due to having to castrate I would give up showing him and castrate in order to not have my house completely ruined and smelling of pee...I guess the bottom line is,is it worth the peeing problems just to show him????

I agree the number of dogs isn't the issue but part of the problem is the other dogs copying the pap....could you crate the other dogs in your absence thus eliminating the problem with them also peeing to copy the pap???

 

[caitlin]

It sounds like you have a lot of dogs!! I have had trouble with a bitch peeing in the house but I only have one dog and ........ you may not like my suggestion, but before you have all six of them peeing all over your house, maybe it is time to re-home the papillon to someone who can give it a bit more attention (not that you aren't giving enough, but with six!!!) Sometimes, you have to put yourself first - and 6 dogs is definitely a pack and they will probably just all get worse together.
p.s this is just what I would try to do - perhaps others will have some more practical suggestions. I washed the floor with biological powder etc. and in the end it just took time - yours has had 3 years now!

Good luck :luck: :luck:

I would not re-home, I would just be passing the problem onto someone else, he would just get passed around.... from person to person until the end of his days, it is only the boys who pee to, not my two girls..... As for your sugestion that someone else will show him more attention, I am really upset by your suggestion that because I have 6 dogs they do not get attention, you do not know me or my dogs... I worship my dogs no matter how naughty they are I still love them!

I didn't mean you should re-home him to just anybody! You may find that a friend who has all the time in the world and hard wipeable floors, might enjoy the challenge - this does sometimes happen!! Also, I think any behavioural problem will be magnified with more than one dog. Anyway, you definitely do not want to re-home, crate-train or castrate, and, if you have tried everything else, you may just have to change your flooring and live with the problem. I understand your frustration, but you obviously love your dogs - I know I couldn't put up with this!!!

Regards and best of luck with whatever you try.

Caitlin

 

[~Sarah~]

Hi
Just another thought - have you had him checked by the vet? He may have a urine infection or some other problem.

If it is an infection he has had it for nearly four years, cos he is four in august LOL

Ooops - bit of a senior moment. Got a bit carried away!!! :lol: :lol:

 

[Susan]

I looked after my sister's yorkie,,,and he pee'd in the house.

I had all male dogs,who were house trained.

Jack pee'd on the floor,,no fuss as I have wooden floor's, so a mop up. By the 2nd week, he had a few pee's on the floor, but when he cocked his leg ,,I got hold of him,,gave him a good telling off,,put him out side,,I washed the wall,,let him in and he never pee'd in the house again (not my house)

I never hit the dog,,just yelled at him and put him outside.

When he pee'd in the garden,,he got loads of love and chicken treats,,,he just needed to know the rules.

To this day,,he not even pee'd in his own home or my house,,,he just needed to know a few home rules.

If this wee dog was mine,,I would crate him,,when I could not watch over him,,,if he starts to pee,,make a noise,,he will stop peeing,,and put him outside,,wait till he does the toilet,,loads of love,,they do learn,,in time,,treat him like an 8 week old pup.

I have been told toy breeds are hard to house train,,if all else fails,,maybe a nice warm kennel in the garden,,with a little kennel mate to sleep with

 

[TillynPip]

I rescued a 10 month cross breed from RSPCA and she was a nightmare. RSPCA told us not to crate her because she was very dirty in her kennel and I would just end up having to bath her every day as well as the crate. We took their advice and, not only was she dirty, but she was destructive. She has cost us thousands and after nearly 12 months, at the end of my tether and on the brink of re-homing her, I started to crate her at night and if I was out in the day (but never more than two hours). I also feed her in the crate, leaving the door open. It worked liked magic. She took to the crate immediately and will go in there in the day of her own accord. After a couple of weeks she stopped peeing in the house and became clean at night. That was five months ago and she hasn't had an accident since.

Put up with a bit of howling from your Pap and give this a go (give him a stuffed Kong but only when he goes in his crate and build up the amount of time that you leave him). You sound really depressed about it all, as I was, so you have nothing to lose although I do think that having him entire is not helping your cause. I agree with the other post about re-homing - I knew that if our girl went anywhere else they might just kick her out and I am so glad I persevered. GOOD LUCK

 

[chelle123]

My castrated male blue pees in the house not to the same extent as your pap he wont do it in front of me but will when he isw left but again not all the time and for no rhyme or reason could leave him 5 mins and he will pee or leave him 2 hours and no mess always in the same 2 places no matter what i clean it with so just to say castration isnt always the answer.