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[Violet Turner]

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Just tell him as a pregnant mum to be you need a rest! He can’t expect you to do everything....after all he did contribute to the baby

I like your touch at the end . I had to make tea because he was busy... But I'm now in bed with a mug of hot chocolate and having a cuddle with Olive and Doris

 

[Violet Turner]

Update: Olive hasn't been sick. I cannot sleep as I can't get comfy so im going to be shattered in the morning

 

[Mayblossom]

Hope you managed to get some sleep, you should get as much as you can now as in a few months you'll have a big bump to make you more uncomfortable Pleased to hear Olive is ok

 

[Violet Turner]

Hope you managed to get some sleep, you should get as much as you can now as in a few months you'll have a big bump to make you more uncomfortable Pleased to hear Olive is ok

I got some sleep but not loads, I'm just on our morning walk and it's so cold.

 

[Violet Turner]

Update: Olive is fine she's a big softy!!

 

[doggie1]

Update: Olive is fine she's a big softy!!

Good to hear.

 

[merlina]

Olive is a lucky girl! She at least is getting the best of care.

 

[Violet Turner]

Olive is a lucky girl! She at least is getting the best of care.

Yeah, very spoilt

 

[Violet Turner]

Mum is going out for a curry so she won't be replying until later, mum will come home and complain about her tummy hurting and heartburn. Mum has ordered some dog treats and some toys for both me and Doris but mainly Me as I've been ill. We are not going camping because the weather is really bad and doris just had her kennel cough. Fudge had his 2nd vaccination on Thursday and their vets said to wait a week is this right as we where told at our vets to wait 2 weeks? Woof

 

[doggie1]

Mum is going out for a curry so she won't be replying until later, mum will come home and complain about her tummy hurting and heartburn. Mum has ordered some dog treats and some toys for both me and Doris but mainly Me as I've been ill. We are not going camping because the weather is really bad and doris just had her kennel cough. Fudge had his 2nd vaccination on Thursday and their vets said to wait a week is this right as we where told at our vets to wait 2 weeks? Woof

I have to take Eddi for his second jab on Tuesday, two weeks after his first.

 

[leashedForLife]

... We are not going camping because the weather is really bad and Doris just had her kennel cough [vax].

Fudge had his 2nd vaccination on Thursday and their vets said to wait a week --
is this right, as ... our vets [said] to wait 2 weeks? ...

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What are U waiting *for*? - a 2nd injection? --- for the puppy to be "safe"? --- Safe from what?
the specific contagion, or "safe" in general, with a functioning immune system?

Any pup who's 6-WO or older is more resistant to Parvo [the monster under the bed, the classic nightmare of most dog-owners when they have a puppy] than a 5-WO or younger pup.
An 8-WO puppy is extremely unlikely to be made seriously ill by Parvo; unless s/he has some other, underlying or complicating illness, the stats are that 85% of 8-WO pups will survive Parvo with good home-nursing & nutritional support, such as electrolytes. Note that i'm not suggesting that 8-WO pups who present with Parvo-symptoms should not go to the vet! - i'm only saying that an otherwise-healthy 56-DO pup is very likely to survive Parvo even without vet care, if the owner provides decent nursing, keeps the pup clean & fed, well-hydrated, etc.

In direct contrast, 85% of 5-WO pups will *die* if they contract Parvo - despite vet care in a facility with round-the-clock nursing & IV-fluids. The difference is simply age - 8-WO pups don't have the rapidly-dividing, fast-growing intestinal lining that Parvo attacks & destroys; the 5-WO pups, do.
Presuming that all the pups under discussion are out of the nest, eating solid food, & past 56-DO, Parvo really isn't the monster that pet-owners think it is. // Breeders have every reason to be terrified of Parvo, but puppy-owners normally have pups who are past the lethal age, & shouldn't be needlessly anxious about taking their pups out on leash.

The urgency of the primary-socialization period [ending at 3-MO] trumps any hysteria about Parvo, as simple precautions can practically guarantee that pup will never be exposed to it as a potential infection.
- other dogs with no visible symptoms of illness are NOT a threat.
- feces are the threat, fresh or months-old; avoid heavily-trafficked "dog zones" by staying on paving.
- if Ur home-area does not get killing frosts, Parvo can survive for TWO YEARS on grass, soil, or clay; the feces are long-gone. // Paved surfaces don't present this risk.
- the beach ___below the high-tide mark______ is a safe place for pups; U can carry them to the firm, damp sand, then leash the pup & set 'em down.

If what yer waiting for is "when to do the 2nd injection", that's a vet-Q. Different vaccines can require different spacing for optimal immune-response.
If what yer waiting for is "When is my puppy safe?", if s/he is 56-DO or older, they are already safe to go out & about - with reasonable precautions.

Vaccinations are not majick bullets - it takes approx 30-days post vaccine for the immune system to produce enuf antibodies to mount a successful defense.
The vaccine provokes the immune system to start building specific antibodies to the species or strain in the injection valent; but the body must MAKE them, which takes time.
So in point of fact, if yer pup gets their 2nd injection of pup-vax at 12-WO, they're no safer until 30-days later. Plus U've already wasted THEIR ENTIRE PRIMARY-SOCIALIZATION PERIOD waiting around for 2 shots.

My advice to puppy-owners is simple: Get that pup out there, on leash, on paving, & meet as many friendly strangers & healthy-looking friendly dogs, cats, cows, horses, curious sheep, & anything else U can manage.
If yer off paved surfaces, for short distances, carry the pup; if U want a long walk, go to the beach at low tide, or go to low-traffic areas where U're unlikely to encounter many dog-droppings; if it's a frost-free area, be aware that Parvo persists, but DON'T BE PARANOID. U gotta get out there!

- terry
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[Violet Turner]

@leashedForLife I have walked her met all animals... I was just asking a question.

 

[JudyN]

@leashedForLife I have walked her met all animals... I was just asking a question.

But I wasn't sure what you were asking (and neither did LfL) - did you mean whether you should wait a week or a fortnight before taking her for a walk, or what? If you have taken her for walks, I'm not sure what you were asking.

 

[Violet Turner]

I was asking how long I should have waited until I walked her...

 

[leashedForLife]

I was asking how long I should have waited until I walked her...

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then i already answered the Q, didn't i?

As young as 5 to 6-WO, when U're the breeder, U can walk the pups on-leash inside the house & on yer own property; once they're 7 to 8-wks old, start walking them on-leash off yer own property - bearing in mind the basic precautions that i listed, above.

- terry

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[Violet Turner]

Okay thank you

 

[Caro Perry]

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My advice to puppy-owners is simple: Get that pup out there, on leash, on paving, & meet as many friendly strangers & healthy-looking friendly dogs, cats, cows, horses, curious sheep, & anything else U can manage.
If yer off paved surfaces, for short distances, carry the pup; if U want a long walk, go to the beach at low tide, or go to low-traffic areas where U're unlikely to encounter many dog-droppings; if it's a frost-free area, be aware that Parvo persists, but DON'T BE PARANOID. U gotta get out there!

- terry
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Here in the UK they get vaccinated against distemper and hepatitis as well as parvo and these are dangerous to older puppies too.

I was told to wait a week after the second shot before allowing Harri to have "paws on the floor" in public places or to socialise with dogs that I didn't know whether they'd been vaccinated or not.

 

[leashedForLife]

Here in the UK they get vaccinated against distemper and hepatitis as well as Parvo, and these are dangerous to older puppies, too.

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yes, they vaccinate against those in the USA, too. // However, the one pet-owners are terrified of is Parvo, which - as i said - is very unlikely to make an 8-WO otherwise-normal, otherwise-healthy puppy SEVERELY ILL. Yes, *if* they get it, they will be ill; but almost 9 in 10 pups who are 56-DO or older, will survive Parvo & thrive, with ordinary decent home-nursing.
And as i said - dogs who have no visible symptoms of illness are not a threat to pups, whether they are vaccinated or not. Feces, not face-to-face meetings with friendly dogs who appear healthy, are the concern - or vomit, or water contaminated by rodent-urine, or food with rat-droppings in it. ThOSE are threats; dogs who do not have runny eyes, crusty noses, nasty coughs, etc, are not hazards to puppies.

QUOTE,
"In the initial stages of Canine Distemper, the major symptoms include high fever (≥103.5° F, or 39.7° C), reddened eyes, & a watery discharge from the nose & eyes. An infected dog becomes lethargic, & will usually become anorexic. Persistent coughing, vomiting, & diarrhea may also occur.
... treatment is symptomatic; fully-recovered dogs do not carry or spread the disease."

Source: Distemper in Dogs | petMD
Distemper in Dogs | petMD

k9 hep, QUOTE,
"The virus is spread via the faeces, urine, blood, saliva, & nasal discharge of infected dogs. It is contracted through the mouth or nose, where it replicates in the tonsils.
The virus infects the liver & kidneys; it manifests with fever, depression, loss of appetite, cough, & tender
abdomen. Corneal edema & signs of liver disease - jaundice, vomiting, & hepatic encephalopathy - may also occur. Severe cases will develop bleeding disorders, which can cause oral hematomas... most dogs recover after a brief illness; chronic corneal edema & kidney lesions may persist.[3]
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Treatment is symptomatic. Most dogs recover spontaneously, without veterinary treatment. Prevention is via
vaccination (ATC vet code QI07AA05 & various combination vaccines). Most combo vaccines for dogs contain a modified canine adenovirus type-2. [4] CAV-2 can cause respiratory infections in dogs, but is similar enough to CAV-1 that vaccine for one immunizes against both. CAV-2 vaccine is much-less likely to cause side effects than CAV-1.[2] One study showed a post-vaccine immunity lasting at least four years.[5]"

CAV-1 is killed in the environment by steam cleaning or quaternary ammonia - the virus can survive for months, in the right conditions. It can also be released in the urine of a recovered dog for up to a year.[2]"

source: Infectious canine hepatitis - Wikipedia
Infectious canine hepatitis - Wikipedia
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I will here note that among the best ways to avoid k9-Hep exposure is to provide ONE'S OWN water for one's dog, & never ever ever use shared public water-bowls. Multiple dogs who attended an AKC show a couple of years ago contracted k9-Hep, & the cases were tracked to the show, then to a Patient-Zero, & a shared water-bowl at a vendor's booth.
Similarly, don't allow dogs to drink from standing water-sources such as puddles or circulating fountains, which are often filthy. Puddles in parking-lots can also contain automobile-runoff, including antifreeze - a sweet-tasting killer that destroys kidney-function.
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I was told to wait a week after the second shot before allowing Harri to have "paws on the floor" in public places or to socialise with dogs [whose vaccine-status] I didn't know.

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I don't know why a fortnight is spozed to help; his immune-system won't mount an effective defense until an average of 30-days post-vax, & U squander half a month of precious socialization / habituation, when U've only GOT one month to accomplish it.

To boot, maternal antibodies - conveying passive protection to the entire litter, via the placenta & later, breastmilk - do not entirely fade until 16 to 20-weeks age. IOW, the dam's antibodies circulate in her pups' blood, & will themselves fight the vaccines.
Plus, most puppy-"boosters" are MULTI-valent - each contains 5 or 6 different attenuated microbes known to cause disease; a partially-constructed immune system can hardly be expected to function "better" when it's given 5 or 6 different fires to fight, at the same dam*ed time!

here's an article on the complications of vax & maternal protection, natural immunization, etc -
http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/3-puppy-vaccination-mistakes-too-early-too-often-too-much/

QUOTE,
"In a study performed by Vanguard, it was found that a combination vaccine (typically containing parvovirus, distemper, & one to five other antigens), when given to six week old puppies, had only a 52% chance of protecting them against Parvo. At nine weeks of age, 88% of the puppies responded to the vaccine. At 12 weeks, 100% of the puppies were protected.
Some vaccines provide protection earlier or later. What this study shows is that vaccinating puppies under 12 weeks of age for Parvo, & certainly under nine weeks of age, is a high-risk / low-reward approach.
Research at Purdue University found that the risk of vaccine reactions increased by 27% for each added vaccine given per office visit in dogs under 22 pounds, & by 12% in dogs over 22 pounds."
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So it's a bit more complex than, "just give every puppy all the vaccines at least 2X before they are 12-WO, & blend all the antigens in single-shots for convenience".

- terry

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[leashedForLife]

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I told my vet to give only single-valent vaccines to my Akita, containing killed virus, not attenuated strains, & i waited till she was 3-MO to get her 1st shot - for distemper; she got her Parvo vax at 14-WO, & her rabies shot, the most-potentially dangerous but necessary one, at 4-MO. She didn't get Corona until we moved to VA, where there was a local outbreak.
The very day i brought her home at 9.5-WO, she was on public streets & around our house, on sidewalk & turf. //
I didn't take her to DOG PARKS, no! - away from home, we stayed on paving until she was 12-WO. But we traveled on buses, we walked all over town, we went hiking in woods & fields, we camped & walked trails, we met loads of other dogs, & hundreds of friendly ppl.

Finally, here's the open letter of a vet, telling puppy-owners that keeping their pup at home during their critical socialization window is more life-threatening than walking them around town on leash:

[PDF]
A Letter on Puppy Socialization from Dr. RK Anderson, DVM, Diplomat ...
www.trainyourdogmonth.com/members/handouts/apdt_tydmrkletter.pdf
"TO:
My Colleagues in Veterinary Medicine:
Common questions I receive from puppy owners, dog trainers and veterinarians concern:
1) what is the most favorable age or period of time, when puppies learn best?
2) what are the health implications of my advice that veterinarians & trainers should offer socialization ..."
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a slice of life:
More dogs in the USA are euthanized for problem behaviors than are killed annually by communicable diseases & traumas, COMBINED. - Think about that for a moment. "Bad" behavior kills more dogs than contagious disease & accidental trauma, put together, every year.
Socialization & habituation are not "nice options", they are urgent, & the period ending at 3-MO is the single best moment in a puppy's short life AS A PUPPY to do both. Leash-time can't wait until the pup is already 12-WO.

- terry

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[PWDmum]

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a slice of life:
More dogs in the USA are euthanized for problem behaviors than are killed annually by communicable diseases & traumas, COMBINED. - Think about that for a moment. "Bad" behavior kills more dogs than contagious disease & accidental trauma, put together, every year.
Socialization & habituation are not "nice options", they are urgent, & the period ending at 3-MO is the single best moment in a puppy's short life AS A PUPPY to do both. Leash-time can't wait until the pup is already 12-WO.

- terry

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there is a lot of truth to the above, but lets not rule out the fact many dogs with problems can also be put down to "nature" not "nurture" both have to play a big part in a puppies and adult dogs upbringing and if the ingredients are not right in the first place, its difficult to get the best results.

As i said earlier, in the UK most pups will leave the breeder at around 8 weeks of age, some a little earlier (depending on development) and some later (toy breeds) around 10/12 weeks. lets not assume that that first imprint period has not been done by the breeder, all those crucial elements of fear imprint can be done in the breeders home, many many breeders will and do socialize pups in those first weeks to all aspects of family life, noise, people, other dogs, car rides vets visits, they are not kept in confinement away from any of the daily routines that they will go into when they go to their new home.

Out side socialization (by new owners) can be done by carrying pup around till its has had its full set of vaccines, and I agree, you can allow them to play with older dogs you know , but I would advise not to allow a puppy that has not had his full course of vaccines to go off / or on leash on roads /parks til they are fully covered. we have an outbreak of Parvo here in the UK, and it can be a killer to young pups, it is also highly contagious, so best to be safe than sorry.

There is a lot of aspects in raising a well adjusted pup, it starts with a good breeder who has bred from stable parents given the best start in life and socialized well in the home, to all things it will encounter throughout its life.

We as owners need to play our part too, by buying from good breeders and knowing the history of the parents, we want a well adjusted pup that has started off with good genetic imprints so we can carry on to make a well socialized adult dog....... nature and nurture , has to come into play, they are both important, but if nature is not right, your job is going to be so much harder with nurture.