How Is Coursing Scored?

[jinx and rubys mum]

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Hope someone can help

After the Penny meadow lure coursing cup we were trying to work out how they were scored.

Is it different scoring depending on the personal opinion of the judge or are there set guidelines to follow?

Can anyone throw any light on the subject?

Thanks

Shona

 

[J.T.]

I looked at this post hoping that someone had explained it as I've wondered the same thing. My 2 lurchers have both had a go at lure coursing & have both won & lost their heats but I'm still in the dark as to how it's scored. All I know is it's something to do with how closely the dog follows the lure. So even if your dog finishes first or catches the lure, if it hasn't followed it over the course it won't score well.

That's as much as I could understand. Hopefully someone who knows a lot more can explain it properly. )

Julie.

 

[jinx and rubys mum]

Come on

Someone must know how to explain this?

 

[Rae]

The Pennymeadow cup had a hare coursing judge so she scored it according to hare coursing - I have no idea at all about hare coursing at all, but from what I was told on the day it was as follows:

first dog to first bend = 2 points

first dog to each bend after that = 1/2 point

So the max points were for the fastest dog to the first turn. Please someone correct me if I'm mislead.

However, we've done other lure coursing, BSFA I dont think is scored like that at all they award points based on speed, agility, enthusiasm etc (Dessie has jusged perhaps she can explain more) and late last year we did another type of lure coursing where the first dog following the lure through a gate 'won' the gate - there were 5 gates. All different and all great fun!

 

[sparky]

the points of the course are

SPEED to the hare-half, one or one and a half points according to the degree of superiority shown.

the GO BYE two points, or if gained on ther outer circle, three points.

the TURN one point.

the WRENCH half a point

the KILL not more than one point in proportion to the degree of merit displayed in the kill which may be of no value

the TRIP one point.

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[jinx and rubys mum]

And which language is this in?? (w00t)

 

[sparky]

And which language is this in?? (w00t)

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what dont you understand?? this is the points system used by the national coursing club in plain english?? (w00t)

 

[J.T.]

the points of the course are
SPEED to the hare-half, one or one and a half points according to the degree of superiority shown.

the GO BYE two points, or if gained on ther outer circle, three points.

the TURN one point.

the WRENCH half a point

the KILL not more than one point in proportion to the degree of merit displayed in the kill which may be of no value

the TRIP one point.

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Blimey (w00t) And there was me thinking it was the first dog to catch & shred the Tescos bag :lol: That's what Hebe generally does, I end up going round picking up bits of plastic bag from all over the field.

 

[jinx and rubys mum]

MMMMMMMMM Clear as mud now!!!!!!!! (w00t)

 

[jinx and rubys mum]

Points of the Course

THE RUN-UP The run from slips until the hare is turned for the first time. (Worth a maximum of three points to the faster dog.)

A TURN When a dog forces the hare to turn through more than 90 degrees. (Worth 1 point.)

A WRENCH When a dog forces the hare to turn through less than 90 degrees. (Worth 1/2 point.)

A GO-BY Where a dog starts a length behind his opponent, passes him in a straight run or on the outside circle, gets a clear length in front of him, and turns the hare. (Worth a maximum of 3 points.)

AAAAHHHHAAAA Now we are getting somewhere this was emailed to me as a help!!

But how can you get points for turning the hare when its a lure its a predetermined course so that is no good really is it!!!

 

[Mark Roberts]

But how can you get points for turning the hare when its a lure its a predetermined course so that is no good really is it!!!

because the judge deems the leading dog to have turned the lure as in real coursing it would be the leading dog that would cause the hare to turn.

but as in everything else of this nature (showing ect) it's 1 persons opinion on the day.

 

[Rob Rixon]

Taken from American Sighthound Field Association

Section 10. Placing of winners shall be decided on the basis of qualities evidenced by: enthusiasm, follow, speed, agility

and endurance in scoring the hounds. Judges shall score in whole numbers only, and shall be governed by the following

system:

Enthusiasm......................................15 pts.

Follow.............................................15 pts.

Speed...............................................25 pts.

Agility.............................................25 pts.

Endurance........................................20 pts.

............................................Total: 100 pts.

Less: Pre-slip penalty..........................–1 to –10 pts.

(from each judge). When a pre-slip occurs, each judge shall levy a penalty of between 1 and 10 points for that

course. The pre-slip penalty shall not be carried over in the case where a no-course is called on the course in

progress.

Less: Course delay penalty..................–1 to –10 pts.

(from each judge). When a course delay occurs, each judge shall levy a 1 to 10 point penalty for that course.

This includes when a hound is slipped when no tally-ho has been sounded. The course delay penalty shall be

carried over in the case where a no-course is called on the course in progress and shall be cumulative in the case

of repeated delays.

I suggest you go to a Library and have a look for a good book. I suggest Dr D Carolines Coile's Whippets ISBN 0-7641-0312-1 or Ted Walsh's The English Whippet ISBN 1 904784 03 8 both good for a start.

I find it very interesting that people would enter a competition without knowing the rules or scoring scheme.

 

[JOEBOY]

Well said Rob ,why play the game if you dont no the rules???, Sparky your on the button :cheers:

 

[J.T.]

It wouldn't make any difference if I knew the rules or not, Hebe would still do her own thing :lol: All she wants to do is CHASE (w00t) (w00t) Rules?? What rules??

 

[urchin]

I'm with ya there JT - It isn't like I can give Digit any last minute coaching is it - now what I want you to do Dij is go all out to get to the first turn cuz there's big points there - then hang back one length before going like stink to overtake on a straight line for a 3 pointer Go-by :thumbsup:

It is interesting to know however!

 

[Rob Rixon]

I'm with ya there JT - It isn't like I can give Digit any last minute coaching is it - now what I want you to do Dij is go all out to get to the first turn cuz there's big points there - then hang back one length before going like stink to overtake on a straight line for a 3 pointer Go-by  :thumbsup:
It is interesting to know however!

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Hi - I don't think you have been in this game very long!

My point is your dog may run without knowing the rules!

But when he/she doesn't win he/she also doesn't care and is unable to make his/her point to the 'powers that be'.

Therefore it is up to you as an owner to raise any issus on behalf of your runner.

If you are not prepared to 'watch' the organisers for any 'odd' interpretations of the rules then you may as well ask that your dog is always placeed '2nd' or does not get a score - basically - you aren't going to win, but you first have to know the rules!!

 

[jinx and rubys mum]

I find it very interesting that people would enter a competition without knowing the rules or scoring scheme.

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In reply to this We thought it was the first dog over the line at the finish ie whoever caught the hare/lure

It never occured to us that it was so involved and difficult to understand

Plus the pennymeadow cup was a great fun day out and a learning curve

 

[~elizabeth~]

If you are not prepared to 'watch' the organisers for any 'odd' interpretations of the rules then you may as well ask that your dog is always placeed '2nd' or does not get a score - basically - you aren't going to win, but you first have to know the rules!!

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The design of the course and skill of the lure operator are equally worthy of scrutiny, as not all courses are well thought out, either in terms of safety or in a way that allows transparency of scoring.

These pages relate to the US way of doing lurecoursing, but do address some interesting issues:

Course Plans and Lure Operation

 

[Rae]

I find it very interesting that people would enter a competition without knowing the rules or scoring scheme.

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In reply to this We thought it was the first dog over the line at the finish ie whoever caught the hare/lure

It never occured to us that it was so involved and difficult to understand

Plus the pennymeadow cup was a great fun day out and a learning curve

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I *still* dont know exactly how the BSFA is scored after 3 years of taking part and I dont care! The dogs love it and that's the only reason we go, if they do well it's a great bonus but I still take the best dogs home with me each time. At the end of the day lure coursing is one persons opinion on the day and I wouldnt want to win by arguing with a judge anyway.

 

[controversial]

you carnt argue with the judge if fact you carnt ask him or her anything about the course .their decision is final thats part of the game (w00t)