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foxes certainly need culling round my way,when i go lamping i sometimes see more foxes than rabbits :rant: :wacko: and nobody can name a more humane way of controlling there numbers than hunting with dogs.certainly no painful lingering death like poison snaring or a poor aim with a gun :thumbsup:

 

[Suzycbee]

Hunting is part of our heritage and if it wasn't for the waterloo cup gambling on horses that get whipped to death would not exist.Big Sean.

so was mining and look what the tory b------s did to that. ruined communitys and lifes.  cost the country billions of pounds.wasted all the oil money .yes they will repeal the hunting ban notttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.wake up and smell the champagne :lol: (they like it better than coffee)

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State funeral for Maggie is high on my agenda (w00t)

 

[Suzycbee]

Aren't foxes wonderful so cute and harmless NOT, i've witnessed a farmer nearly lose his full flock of lambs caused by foxes killing them to take the tails off them to let their cubs play with.I've never experienced a deer course taking hours.(what were they chasing them with yorkshire terriers).

If hunting was a taxable commodity this government wouldn't listen to anyone dissing it.

Hunting is part of our heritage and if it wasn't for the waterloo cup gambling on horses that get whipped to death would not exist.

Big Sean.

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Have you experienced hunting deer with dogs very often?

In February 2005, BBC Newsline showed film of an exhausted stag being chased into the mud and struggling desperately to free itself? The actions of the stag hunters provoked a public outcry in Northern Ireland, with people asking how such a noble animal could be made to suffer for no other reason than to allow a few 'sportsmen' to have a good day out. Although, thankfully, 'carted' stag hunting (where a stag is taken around the country in a cart specifically to be hunted repeatedly) has been banned in Northern Ireland, these stags are kept in captivity simply so they can be chased. Where is the sport in that?

 

[Holliepup]

Struth - you certainly need to get up early in the morning to be counted on this thread!

To answer one question, do I like the idea of dogs being (presumably) humanely knocked on the head at the age of 7? No I don't. Do I like the idea of horses lying in agony with a broken leg before the vet gets to them - I don't like the idea of that either. But what I really don't like is people sticking their noses into other peoples business unless that business is clearly wrong.

I make my own judgments on what I think is right or wrong and others will do the same. The quality of and motivation behind those judgments is the question.

The only point I have been trying to defend is that of choice - a right that should only be thwarted for the very most compelling reason. I have no love of politicians of any party but the incompetence and corruption of the current lot - facilitated by a moronic populace who gave them such a mandate and majority - has resulted in the economic social and moral heart being ripped out of this country. I doubt it will ever recover. The extraordinary arrogance that leads them to interfere with just about every aspect of our lives is staggering. But then the people get the government they deserve!

Getting back to the subject in hand, no doubt the statistics maester can tell us how many horses end up at McDonalds or French restaurants each year? Don’t bother answering I’m not actually interested. (And no that’s not an attack on horse racing either). One can pull out a few juicy statistics from a report to make oneself seem well informed, or to arm oneself to defend a decision already made - its the lack of wider debate that limits the value of that approach.

What frustrates me is the self-satisfied way proponents of certain arguments think they command the moral high ground. Thing is morality is not a commodity you can manipulate for ones own devices. It is black or white. Those who risk breaking their arm patting themselves on the back should consider that. You cant say that one African leader is OK because he only does a 'bit' of genocide while another is bad 'cos he does a 'lot'! To suggest one field sport is ok because it involves a bit of 'cruelty' while another is not suggests an argument that is self serving and based on self interest. I would not agree with it, but I certainly would respect, an argument that says one should do nothing at all that could result in the pain and suffering of an animal. I neither agree with nor respect those arguments that say ''I want it both ways - and by the way I’m good and you are bad cos you chase furry animals and I only maim horses".

Rats are furry animals and Id like to bet they soon get dug out of the stables.

 

[Holliepup]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda.  Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said.  That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!
Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion.  My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern.  And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

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Yes your probably right and I agree - we need to ensure things don't just keep getting banned because some people don't agree with them. However now hunting with dogs is banned I think a change of heart just because the government changes would not be the right thing to do. I personally think the main people affected, i.e the fox hunting fraternity, can still enjoy their pursuits without hunting foxes but I am not an expert in this matter so that maybe not the case. Fox and deer hunting were my main concerns with hunting and they hav'nt changed and I am unconvinced that they have totally had their pleasures removed by only being able to drag hunt.

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Did you know, if you don't update your driving licence photo every 10 years you can be fined £1000? Nor did I - just found out.

If you dont tell the DVLA when you move house - £1000!

Did you know council officials have the right to enter your home?

Doesnt matter if its driving, tax forms, parking, dropping a cigarette or doing just about any other damn thing that one does in the course of a normal day, the responsibility, without any reasonable margin for good sense or error, has been transferred the individual who is criminalised with fines for the slightest transgression.

If you stop at a parking meter in London without change in your pocket, you can legitimately be given a ticket while you go to get some! What sort of a country are we now living in?

We have spent £5Bn wasted on a technically unworkable identity card scheme, the same on computerising health records that dont work, biometric passports that dont work, we have gone to war and christ knows else what. There are no police on the streets and when they are they persecute the victims not the criminals.

And so it goes on.

And then the bastards tell me I cant let my dog chase a rabbit! Fact is she never bloody catches any - but thats not the point. Its the tip of the ice burg!!

Nice horses by the way :thumbsup:

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I dont agree with damned thing you have said. Dont know if you have been present at a "digging out" of a vixen with cubs for a delightful cub hunting session. Similarly, the hunting of deer is not to be mentioned in the same sentence as horse racing when it comes to cruelty.

As Daved says, horse racing does not, as its main intention, torture an animal, culminating in killing it in a grotesque manner. LONG LIVE THE BAN ON HUNTING

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Had you read ''a damn thing I said'' you might see that I make no claim as regards those matters that concern you. I have had no experience of them and nor do I wish to. Nor for that matter do I oppose horse racing - quite the opposite. My 'rant' is rather more philosophical - simply fed up with politicians and busy bodies interfering in other peoples lives. More and more new legislation solves nothing. There is legislation against carrying knives yet people still get stabbed. The very act of removing moral decisions from people allows them to abdicate responsibility - if you nanny people don't be surprised when they act as children.

For my part I would like to see my dog course hare. Thats a moral decision I would be comfortable with. I do not suggest the hare might enjoy a good run, but the dog certainly would. I do not expect you to agree and would not be so impertinent as to try to persuade you.

It seems to me that many of those who wish to wrap the countryside in cellophane forget or are ignorant of the fact that it is vested interest that has shaped the rural areas as they are. Without sporting persuit over the years, the country would just be one big, flat mechanised field. There has to be some quid pro quo.

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You say you are "simply fed up with politicians and busy bodies interfering in other peoples lives". Well without this there would be anarchy I am afraid.

Correct me if I misunderstood you but you stated at the outset that it is wishful thinking on your part that the tories would overturn the ban on hunting. Fact is the ban on hunting is in place, because various official bodies, such as the RSPCA are opposed to it. I know for a fact that a video which was presented to MPs of a vixen being dug out and her cubs being used for cub hunting, was implimental in such an overwhelming vote to ban it, and it wasnt just labour MPs either.

Personally I wouldnt vote for the tories anyway, would rather slit my throat with a sharpened end of a credit card than vote for Cameron. As a member of the Bollingdon Club, he should be in jail anyway but thats another story. Without sporting pursuit over the years, we would actually have British foxes in this country instead of Swedish ones, cos the ENGLISH ones were HUNTED TO EXTINCTION. As regards coursing hare, your hobby presumably does not involve an animal being chased for a long period of time. Fox hounds are bred to be slow but have stamina, thereby giving the mounted followers more fun than if the hounds caught the fox quickly, extending the hunting period over many hours. Therefore, by design, it is deliberately cruel. Anyway, do you think that fox hounds should be shot at the age of 7? This is what the CA admits happens to them. I think this is wrong, do you?

Deer hunting with dogs, usually goes on for hours, I have seen deer being drowned by huntsmen after taking refuge in a river, being too exhausted to run any more. Any sane person surely does not want that to be made legal again. If hunting is made legal again, deer hunting with dogs will carry on as before.

Thats me done for tonight, goodnight all!!

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I believe you are wrong about the role of government, (although the 'anarchy' thing is a nice sound bite). It should not be prescriptive or interventionist. This lot is virtually a dictatorship. You may have welcomed a 'war' in Iraq but I didn't and nor did the majority of the population. The irony is I do suspect they are generally well intentioned - its the scale of their incompetence that is scary.

The role of self interest groups is to promote their self-interest. When English Heritage ran out of good buildings to list, they started on 1960s slums. The fact that the RSPCA presented some videos is commendable - that what they are there for. As an organization I welcome them and support them, in this context to balance a debate. But that doesn't settle an argument just as English Heritages opinion on a 1960s slum should not settle an argument.

And with respect you have again missed the point about the evolution of the countryside. You may well be right about foreign foxes but don’t spoil the ship for a penny of tar. The beautiful countryside we all take for granted only exists in the main because of landowners with sporting interests. Take that away and one sees highly mechanised farming as the next most productive land use with hedges gone, tress gone etc etc.

A corollary is the situation in Africa, for example. Few people like the idea of shooting an elephant, but those who do will pay big money for it. That money goes back into the preservation of the place for the next customer. If game parks are run properly they will be the only way we will keep natural - or semi natural - populations of these species in an environment that is anything close to a 'pristine' Africa. Take away the shooting and you get cattle and poor farming that will destroy the last of that environment.

 

[BevPh]

Hunting is part of our heritage and if it wasn't for the waterloo cup gambling on horses that get whipped to death would not exist.Big Sean.

so was mining and look what the tory b------s did to that. ruined communitys and lifes.  cost the country billions of pounds.wasted all the oil money .yes they will repeal the hunting ban notttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.wake up and smell the champagne :lol: (they like it better than coffee)

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My sentiments exactly the tories dessimated the mining and steel industry around here and we were told to get on with it. Communites were destroyed and short term employment drafted in and only lasted as long as the government grants that were handed out like confetti to fat cats getting fatter. We didnt matter we were just working class scum - like it or lump it!! So whats so different with country life? Why are they so special?

State funeral for Thatcher - couldnt give a monkeys chuff what they do with her but it'll be a day of celebration in this household I can tell ya!!!

 

[Holliepup]

Hunting is part of our heritage and if it wasn't for the waterloo cup gambling on horses that get whipped to death would not exist.Big Sean.

so was mining and look what the tory b------s did to that. ruined communitys and lifes.  cost the country billions of pounds.wasted all the oil money .yes they will repeal the hunting ban notttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.wake up and smell the champagne :lol: (they like it better than coffee)

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My sentiments exactly the tories dessimated the mining and steel industry around here and we were told to get on with it. Communites were destroyed and short term employment drafted in and only lasted as long as the government grants that were handed out like confetti to fat cats getting fatter. We didnt matter we were just working class scum - like it or lump it!! So whats so different with country life? Why are they so special?

State funeral for Thatcher - couldnt give a monkeys chuff what they do with her but it'll be a day of celebration in this household I can tell ya!!!

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I like your style!

In my work as a charity coordinator I have travelled around and seen some of the old mining areas where for 2 generations now people have been out of work. It must be devastating. But in fairness we have had 3 successive labour governments - what exactly have they done for you?

Ill give you just one example of what they have done for you. The 60% increase in fuel prices we are all paying is as a result of their incompetance in not capping the increases the utility companies can charge - companies that as you may know are now almost exclusively foreign owned. In France increases are capped to 5% (might be 7%). How are they able to do that? - cos our lot have allowed EDF the French state power company and major supplier to UK to charge US INSTEAD! So you and I are subsidising the French. Love it!

What Maggie did was clearly terrible for you and your community, but her economic and labour reforms were an economic miracle and set this country up for 3 decades of unprecidented growth. Growth that has now been utterly destroyed by NL.

 

[davethehorse]

Maggie and her cronies are to blame for the state of economy today IMO with the sell off of all the Government owned utilities which, if were still government owned, could be price controlled by the government instead of a corrupt open market.

BP springs to mind. We are now totally at the mercy of an open market that is corrupt to make big boys vast sums when if we still had BP the government could control the price of our own fuel. Same with gas, water and electricity - these should all be owned by US!!

Maggie should be done for treason IMO!!

 

[Holliepup]

Maggie and her cronies are to blame for the state of economy today IMO with the sell off of all the Government owned utilities which, if were still government owned, could be price controlled by the government instead of a corrupt open market.
BP springs to mind. We are now totally at the mercy of an open market that is corrupt to make big boys vast sums when if we still had BP the government could control the price of our own fuel. Same with gas, water and electricity - these should all be owned by US!!

Maggie should be done for treason IMO!!

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I do not believe that the private sector is anywhere near as corrupt as the government, not least because the government as elected representatives of the people have a higher duty of care and yet they flout this. Be that as it may I happen to have a lot of sympathy for the idea that these suppliers should remain in state control, but not necessary state ownership. The two are entirely different. While the state has proved itself utterly incapable of managing a p*** up in a brewery, they can, and in my view should, maintain some level of control over issues such as pricing - indeed just as France have done.

It is true that Maggie presided over the transfer of these organisations into the private sector. At the time they were so utterly inefficient and badly run through lack of state investment and management that they were in any event on the point of collapse. Maggie did not preside over the transfer of those companies to foreign buyers. If you check your history you will see that this honour goes to your prescious NY.

The first utility company to be sold to a foreign buyer was London Electricity in 1996 - subsequently sold to Frances EDF 2 years later. All the rest followed. Tony 'lets go to war in iraq' Blair defended foreign ownership of utilities, and has the dubious honor of seeing through this episode, said at the time "Liberalised energy markets and more open markets are good for business and for consumers right across Europe." Why did he not protect our interests in the same way France has by imposing conditions or even, preferably, blocking the sale in the same way France, Germany and Italy have done? Because he was too busy stroking his ego and selling off our gold reserves at an all time low.

I do wish people would get their facts straight.

 

[davethehorse]

Maggie and her cronies are to blame for the state of economy today IMO with the sell off of all the Government owned utilities which, if were still government owned, could be price controlled by the government instead of a corrupt open market.
BP springs to mind. We are now totally at the mercy of an open market that is corrupt to make big boys vast sums when if we still had BP the government could control the price of our own fuel. Same with gas, water and electricity - these should all be owned by US!!

Maggie should be done for treason IMO!!

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I do not believe that the private sector is anywhere near as corrupt as the government, not least because the government as elected representatives of the people have a higher duty of care and yet they flout this. Be that as it may I happen to have a lot of sympathy for the idea that these suppliers should remain in state control, but not necessary state ownership. The two are entirely different. While the state has proved itself utterly incapable of managing a p*** up in a brewery, they can, and in my view should, maintain some level of control over issues such as pricing - indeed just as France have done.

It is true that Maggie presided over the transfer of these organisations into the private sector. At the time they were so utterly inefficient and badly run through lack of state investment and management that they were in any event on the point of collapse. Maggie did not preside over the transfer of those companies to foreign buyers. If you check your history you will see that this honour goes to your prescious NY.

The first utility company to be sold to a foreign buyer was London Electricity in 1996 - subsequently sold to Frances EDF 2 years later. All the rest followed. Tony 'lets go to war in iraq' Blair defended foreign ownership of utilities, and has the dubious honor of seeing through this episode, said at the time "Liberalised energy markets and more open markets are good for business and for consumers right across Europe." Why did he not protect our interests in the same way France has by imposing conditions or even, preferably, blocking the sale in the same way France, Germany and Italy have done? Because he was too busy stroking his ego and selling off our gold reserves at an all time low.

I do wish people would get their facts straight.

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Your obviously a very, very politically minded person - thankfully I am not, just stating general observations :thumbsup:

 

[Holliepup]

Maggie and her cronies are to blame for the state of economy today IMO with the sell off of all the Government owned utilities which, if were still government owned, could be price controlled by the government instead of a corrupt open market.
BP springs to mind. We are now totally at the mercy of an open market that is corrupt to make big boys vast sums when if we still had BP the government could control the price of our own fuel. Same with gas, water and electricity - these should all be owned by US!!

Maggie should be done for treason IMO!!

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I do not believe that the private sector is anywhere near as corrupt as the government, not least because the government as elected representatives of the people have a higher duty of care and yet they flout this. Be that as it may I happen to have a lot of sympathy for the idea that these suppliers should remain in state control, but not necessary state ownership. The two are entirely different. While the state has proved itself utterly incapable of managing a p*** up in a brewery, they can, and in my view should, maintain some level of control over issues such as pricing - indeed just as France have done.

It is true that Maggie presided over the transfer of these organisations into the private sector. At the time they were so utterly inefficient and badly run through lack of state investment and management that they were in any event on the point of collapse. Maggie did not preside over the transfer of those companies to foreign buyers. If you check your history you will see that this honour goes to your prescious NY.

The first utility company to be sold to a foreign buyer was London Electricity in 1996 - subsequently sold to Frances EDF 2 years later. All the rest followed. Tony 'lets go to war in iraq' Blair defended foreign ownership of utilities, and has the dubious honor of seeing through this episode, said at the time "Liberalised energy markets and more open markets are good for business and for consumers right across Europe." Why did he not protect our interests in the same way France has by imposing conditions or even, preferably, blocking the sale in the same way France, Germany and Italy have done? Because he was too busy stroking his ego and selling off our gold reserves at an all time low.

I do wish people would get their facts straight.

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Your obviously a very, very politically minded person - thankfully I am not, just stating general observations :thumbsup:

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Forgive me for being pedantic but do I believe that if one opines in a public forum then one has a duty to get ones facts straight. You want to lynch Maggie but it is a matter of historical fact that the crimes you cite were perpetrated by Tony Blair. Do I presume you will now call for his head?

 

[Suzycbee]

Hunting is part of our heritage and if it wasn't for the waterloo cup gambling on horses that get whipped to death would not exist.Big Sean.

so was mining and look what the tory b------s did to that. ruined communitys and lifes.  cost the country billions of pounds.wasted all the oil money .yes they will repeal the hunting ban notttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.wake up and smell the champagne :lol: (they like it better than coffee)

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My sentiments exactly the tories dessimated the mining and steel industry around here and we were told to get on with it. Communites were destroyed and short term employment drafted in and only lasted as long as the government grants that were handed out like confetti to fat cats getting fatter. We didnt matter we were just working class scum - like it or lump it!! So whats so different with country life? Why are they so special?

State funeral for Thatcher - couldnt give a monkeys chuff what they do with her but it'll be a day of celebration in this household I can tell ya!!!

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I've got the champers on ice for when the bitch expires, cant wait

 

[Suzycbee]

Maggie and her cronies are to blame for the state of economy today IMO with the sell off of all the Government owned utilities which, if were still government owned, could be price controlled by the government instead of a corrupt open market.
BP springs to mind. We are now totally at the mercy of an open market that is corrupt to make big boys vast sums when if we still had BP the government could control the price of our own fuel. Same with gas, water and electricity - these should all be owned by US!!

Maggie should be done for treason IMO!!

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David I love you!!

 

[Suzycbee]

Maggie and her cronies are to blame for the state of economy today IMO with the sell off of all the Government owned utilities which, if were still government owned, could be price controlled by the government instead of a corrupt open market.
BP springs to mind. We are now totally at the mercy of an open market that is corrupt to make big boys vast sums when if we still had BP the government could control the price of our own fuel. Same with gas, water and electricity - these should all be owned by US!!

Maggie should be done for treason IMO!!

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I do not believe that the private sector is anywhere near as corrupt as the government, not least because the government as elected representatives of the people have a higher duty of care and yet they flout this. Be that as it may I happen to have a lot of sympathy for the idea that these suppliers should remain in state control, but not necessary state ownership. The two are entirely different. While the state has proved itself utterly incapable of managing a p*** up in a brewery, they can, and in my view should, maintain some level of control over issues such as pricing - indeed just as France have done.

It is true that Maggie presided over the transfer of these organisations into the private sector. At the time they were so utterly inefficient and badly run through lack of state investment and management that they were in any event on the point of collapse. Maggie did not preside over the transfer of those companies to foreign buyers. If you check your history you will see that this honour goes to your prescious NY.

The first utility company to be sold to a foreign buyer was London Electricity in 1996 - subsequently sold to Frances EDF 2 years later. All the rest followed. Tony 'lets go to war in iraq' Blair defended foreign ownership of utilities, and has the dubious honor of seeing through this episode, said at the time "Liberalised energy markets and more open markets are good for business and for consumers right across Europe." Why did he not protect our interests in the same way France has by imposing conditions or even, preferably, blocking the sale in the same way France, Germany and Italy have done? Because he was too busy stroking his ego and selling off our gold reserves at an all time low.

I do wish people would get their facts straight.

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Your obviously a very, very politically minded person - thankfully I am not, just stating general observations :thumbsup:

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Forgive me for being pedantic but do I believe that if one opines in a public forum then one has a duty to get ones facts straight. You want to lynch Maggie but it is a matter of historical fact that the crimes you cite were perpetrated by Tony Blair. Do I presume you will now call for his head?

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I will yes, if for no other reason that he is a crazy christian, forcing my son to believe that Noah's Ark is a historically accurate event, courtesy of the education at a British state school. Thanks Tony, but it didnt happen!!

 

[Suzycbee]

I made the following observation in reply to some one else's threat and thought I would post this as a separate topic.  There appears to be a feeling that a change in government will result in the ban being overturned, and I wonder if this is likely or just wishful thinking? I have not followed what if anything has been said about it by the Tories.  It may be high on 'our' agenda but it aint gonna register too high on a new administration's, grappling with a crippled economy, thousands of useless bits of legislation etc which is the legacy of this moronic government.  The point is we should not make assumptions and should not wait until they are in power to lobby the Tories.... 


"Noted your depressing commentary on NL's continued opposition to anything 'country'

I have not followed any discussion about repealing 'the law' from the Tories - perhaps there has been none. What is for certain is that once they are in power political expediency will take over and there will be plenty of other priorities on their agenda. I do not think we should wait to see a change in government before we start to lobby them - it should be done now, before they gain power in order to secure some commitment in return for votes. Perhaps this is underway already in terms of a specific lobby aimed at a new rather than the existing government - in which case if anyone can let us know Ill sign up for it."

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Is it "high on our agenda" - its certainly not on ours. It should stay banned IMO - not all on here are pro hunting with dogs just because we own Whippets..

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you are being curul to your whippet not letting it do what nuture intened long live these little worriers as hunting dogs

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If my whippet should catch a rabbit so be it, the rabbit however would have been caught quickly and despatched quickly unlike fox/deer hunting. I am not cruel, so far as I know.

 

[Suzycbee]

Hunting is part of our heritage and if it wasn't for the waterloo cup gambling on horses that get whipped to death would not exist.Big Sean.

so was mining and look what the tory b------s did to that. ruined communitys and lifes.  cost the country billions of pounds.wasted all the oil money .yes they will repeal the hunting ban notttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.wake up and smell the champagne :lol: (they like it better than coffee)

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My sentiments exactly the tories dessimated the mining and steel industry around here and we were told to get on with it. Communites were destroyed and short term employment drafted in and only lasted as long as the government grants that were handed out like confetti to fat cats getting fatter. We didnt matter we were just working class scum - like it or lump it!! So whats so different with country life? Why are they so special?

State funeral for Thatcher - couldnt give a monkeys chuff what they do with her but it'll be a day of celebration in this household I can tell ya!!!

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I've got the champers on ice for when the bitch expires, cant wait

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Actually, I do take that back, even Maggers deserves to live. Sorry Margaret.

 

[Suzycbee]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda.  Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said.  That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!
Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion.  My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern.  And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

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There used to be a wonderful tradition and practice which was handed down as part of this country's culture, namely bull baiting on Derby Market Place (and presumably every market place in the country), cock fighting and worse of all, flogging of children for pinching a loaf of bread (if they were lucky) a boat trip to Australia if not. Cock fighting was banned in England in 1848, but this was a working class sport, fox/deer hunting with dogs was and is an elite "sport", which is why it has taken so long to get rid of it. Just my opinion.

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

Im pro Hunting & would like to believe we will one day have the right to hunt again in the UK IMO the Hunting act was an illegal act forced through by the labour party.

When i was a child the labour party brought this once great nation to its knees with strikes any one in their 40s-50s will remember power cuts/postal strikes/bread strikes/water strikes/coal strikes/nurse strikes/firemen strikes/Ambulance Strikes/sitting eating meals cooked on camping stoves around candles we could not even bury our dead due to strikes this was the great labour party of the 70s the army drove the green goddess fire engines inflation was through the roof

Our sons are in the middle east fighting for what ? OIL nothing more IMO but in the name of freedom :lol: :lol: get real people & stop seeing the labour party through rose coloured glasses.

Our great nation is flooded with imagrants some of who plot against us from within when our own people live in cardboard cities & have no work is this right ?.

Our pensioners who have fought wars on our behalf get very little from this country yet their siblings gave their lives for what ? was it not freedom ?

I was there when the Agruculture Minister Hillary Benn compared hare coursing with bear baiting on wednesday he did not like hare coursing but thought rabbit control with ferrets/whippets/guns/nets/snares was fine all i can say is what a muppet talk about the sheep needing a shepard.

As you will know Dave the horse industry is no better than the greyhound industry regarding surplus/injured/substandard stock they are PTS or sent to Europe to be eaten.

WHAT THIS COUNTRY REALY NEEDS IS A LEADER WHO WILL LEAD FROM THE FRONT TAKE THE SH*T FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD ON THE CHIN & MAKE US A GREAT NATION AGAIN :thumbsup:

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

Intresting Link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/01/horseracing.sport

 

[davethehorse]

Intresting Link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/01/horseracing.sport

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Yes most I assume know that not all racehorses find a good retirement home and that some end up as meat or whatever - they get sold at the Sales and could end up anywhere but most scrupulous owners and trainers do find good homes for their retired horses - especially smaller yards like where ours are trained.

Not quite sure why your comparing cruelty aspect of horse racing with hunting with dogs to be honest - hunting is a completely different ball game to horse racing in the cruelty stakes and incomparable IMO for reasons I have already mentioned - i.e chasing an animal to the point of exhaustion and then ripping it to shreads whilst still alive, chasing deer to the point of exhaustion only to meet a grisly death or in some cases drown by huntsman in lakes, fox cubs dug up and fed alive to dogs etc etc - the list goes on.

Horse racing has its cruelty aspects to address and will always have injured and killed horses but its regulated very strictly with regard to safety and issues like miss-use of the whip etc and cannot be compared like for like with hunting with hounds - in my opinion obviously.

Injuries will happen to any horse in sport, eventing, hacking, show jumping and those just left in a field, or worse, tethered and abused. At least racehorses get 5 star treatment during there careers which is more than can be said for many poor horses and ponies left in fields with no rugs, shelter, food etc or tethered 247 - maybe you should focus your horse cruelty claims on those :thumbsup:

Thats me done on this issue as I would rather focus on Whippets on here than boring politics and arguments about hunting - all I first stated on this thread was that not all on here are pro hunt just because they own hounds - many seem to think they should be for some reason.

Many probably dare not step out of line and say they are anti which is a shame IMO as a true picture is not built up but there you go...plenty seem to have read this thread but very few posted an opinion...