Hypothetical Question

[sherry]

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only ever breed for myself, bred 3 times and twice only got 1 pup. last time ended up with 9 unfortuantly i cudnt keep them all or i wud have lol but anyway they did all go to racing homes all local so hopefully il get to see them all race. however i wud have happily let one or two go as pets as long as it was a good home. but im glad they did all go to racing homes.

 

[sherry]

and i wud have let a pup go to newcomer as thats the only way newcomers will get into the sport if people sell them pups. we were failry new to the sport when gary and denise sold us hot spice our first dog was marelys magic which was out of a field dog not a racer but the stud was pigeon so we got to know molly and andy and pigeon mated one of gary and denises bitchs and we ended up getting one. how do we get from having 1 no more to 2 no more to bloody 7!? lol

 

[DavidH]

sometimes i wonder if race homes are the best? not always but some owners if they dont make open class pass them on to pet homes.differant people have differant ways some pass on if they only keep top class dogs, some keep them.
so is a pet home the best as 95% stay with there owners as family pets. :thumbsup:

i think a loving home wether race or pet is what you want for you pups IMO only,dont want to upset folks as it doesnt take much on here (w00t)

would rather give a pup to a first class home,than take money to a iffy one.

i have got my dogs very good homes and sky as 1 of the best lol

we got skye as a pet through johng off von.but took her to aycliffe and got the bug.loved running her pity she picked up a bad injury in 2004 which ended her racing.

but she still loves flying round the fields at coming up 11 years old. always out with the gang.

only thing her wrist will not allow is when we do a hard road walk and she knows when i tell her to stay,she goes and lies back down.

pet back to racer enjoyable time .

cheers johng, von. all ours dogs have been through von and johng help.

 

[Garry Comber]

I’ve never bread a litter as I keep pedigree males. But for me a good home is paramount and a good home is more important to anything else.

But when a puppy gets a racing home it’s the” icing on the cake” for me as a stud dog owner, :thumbsup: because it means I will see the puppy and get enormous pleasure watching its progress in racing.

I always remember the test the breeder of my first whippet always used (and I underwent unknowingly)- if a prospective owner came to view her puppies and walked in ignoring her “oldies” only wanting to see the puppies they would not get one.

She wanted homes with people who realised they were not puppies forever and wanted assurance that the pups she bread would have a loving home for life.

 

[D.Dan]

sometimes i wonder if race homes are the best? not always but some owners if they dont make open class pass them on to pet homes.differant people have differant ways some pass on if they only keep top class dogs, some keep them.
so is a pet home the best as 95% stay with there owners as family pets. :thumbsup:

i think a loving home wether race or pet is what you want for you pups IMO only,dont want to upset folks as it doesnt take much on here (w00t)

would rather give a pup to a first class home,than take money to a iffy one.

well said dave my man,i would like a pound for every pup[i mean PUPS under 12 months] that that didnt meet the expectations of owners,then passed on elsewhere.now im going to duck,cos i will get shot down,but imo.and dave some people get upset if you just look at them wrong these days, seem like you cant have an opinion anymore. this breed make lovely pets as well as racers,good home is best.financial gain should not come into it. :- lesley.

 

[IanGerman]

I'm with Garry - except I can spell "bred" :teehee:

Permenent loving homes only, regardless of whether they go racing or not.

Having said that ............... if you take money for a pup, then you give away any rights to reclaiming the dog if that buyer turns out to be less than ideal. It's a quandary that I am sure many have anguished over, and there is no easy answer - except to give the puppy away, on the understanding that they stay in touch, and that you have the right to take it back if things don't work out.

I have been very lucky in the past, selling as pets and having the new owners stay in touch, 2 of which then decided racing was for them anyway!

 

[whippetsrus]

sometimes i wonder if race homes are the best? not always but some owners if they dont make open class pass them on to pet homes.differant people have differant ways some pass on if they only keep top class dogs, some keep them.
so is a pet home the best as 95% stay with there owners as family pets. :thumbsup:

i think a loving home wether race or pet is what you want for you pups IMO only,dont want to upset folks as it doesnt take much on here (w00t)

would rather give a pup to a first class home,than take money to a iffy one.

well said dave my man,i would like a pound for every pup[i mean PUPS under 12 months] that that didnt meet the expectations of owners,then passed on elsewhere.now im going to duck,cos i will get shot down,but imo.and dave some people get upset if you just look at them wrong these days, seem like you cant have an opinion anymore. this breed make lovely pets as well as racers,good home is best.financial gain should not come into it. :- lesley.

Financial gain may not be the main aim. However when paying for a pup you are showing that you have some commitment to the pup and it is not "easy come, easy go". Hence one of the reasons a rescue organisation insists on a donation. It is possible to turn someone away, however capable they are of paying, if they are considered unsuitable. A loving home is most important but I reiterate again what I said in my previous post there are expenses which come with dog ownership and it is necessary to be able to meet these.

 

[whippetsrus]

Having said that ............... if you take money for a pup, then you give away any rights to reclaiming the dog if that buyer turns out to be less than ideal. It's a quandary that I am sure many have anguished over, and there is no easy answer - except to give the puppy away, on the understanding that they stay in touch, and that you have the right to take it back if things don't work out.

I think you will find that even giving a pup away you have no rights to go and reclaim a dog unless you have a contract drawn up by a solicitor and correctly witnessed.

 

[marielou]

I've had very expensive pedigree dogs, I've had dogs that were free. I've had non peds since 2007. I try not to post on anything controversial because I've found you are usually wasting your time but some of the comments on here are bringing on my red mist.

There are good and bad owners regardless of what is paid for a pup but I do think that the pedigree dog breeding fraternity needs to take a very long hard look at itself before throwing out the same old tired arguements and implying non peds have a problem.

Charging large sums of money has nothing to do with the future care of the pup and everything to do with the ego of the breeder. If pedigree breeders stopped churning out their show stoppers at ridiculous prices there would be no interest by the puppy farmer brigade. When money comes in the door good sense and caring go straight out of the window.

Contrast and compare

KC registered dogs :- Cost expensive .....health issues, genetic problems, overbreeding by profiteers

Non ped whippets :- token payment or gift ....no health issues, no genetic issues, no overbreeding by profiteers as there is no profit

I rest my case and retire back to my lurking armchair :thumbsup:

 

[mutley]

I've had very expensive pedigree dogs, I've had dogs that were free. I've had non peds since 2007. I try not to post on anything controversial because I've found you are usually wasting your time but some of the comments on here are bringing on my red mist.There are good and bad owners regardless of what is paid for a pup but I do think that the pedigree dog breeding fraternity needs to take a very long hard look at itself before throwing out the same old tired arguements and implying non peds have a problem.

Charging large sums of money has nothing to do with the future care of the pup and everything to do with the ego of the breeder. If pedigree breeders stopped churning out their show stoppers at ridiculous prices there would be no interest by the puppy farmer brigade. When money comes in the door good sense and caring go straight out of the window.

Contrast and compare

KC registered dogs :- Cost expensive .....health issues, genetic problems, overbreeding by profiteers

Non ped whippets :- token payment or gift ....no health issues, no genetic issues, no overbreeding by profiteers as there is no profit

I rest my case and retire back to my lurking armchair :thumbsup:

well said.

 

[fallenangel]

I've had very expensive pedigree dogs, I've had dogs that were free. I've had non peds since 2007. I try not to post on anything controversial because I've found you are usually wasting your time but some of the comments on here are bringing on my red mist.There are good and bad owners regardless of what is paid for a pup but I do think that the pedigree dog breeding fraternity needs to take a very long hard look at itself before throwing out the same old tired arguements and implying non peds have a problem.

Charging large sums of money has nothing to do with the future care of the pup and everything to do with the ego of the breeder. If pedigree breeders stopped churning out their show stoppers at ridiculous prices there would be no interest by the puppy farmer brigade. When money comes in the door good sense and caring go straight out of the window.

Contrast and compare

KC registered dogs :- Cost expensive .....health issues, genetic problems, overbreeding by profiteers

Non ped whippets :- token payment or gift ....no health issues, no genetic issues, no overbreeding by profiteers as there is no profit

I rest my case and retire back to my lurking armchair :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

 

[Nellie]

I've had very expensive pedigree dogs, I've had dogs that were free. I've had non peds since 2007. I try not to post on anything controversial because I've found you are usually wasting your time but some of the comments on here are bringing on my red mist.There are good and bad owners regardless of what is paid for a pup but I do think that the pedigree dog breeding fraternity needs to take a very long hard look at itself before throwing out the same old tired arguements and implying non peds have a problem.

Charging large sums of money has nothing to do with the future care of the pup and everything to do with the ego of the breeder. If pedigree breeders stopped churning out their show stoppers at ridiculous prices there would be no interest by the puppy farmer brigade. When money comes in the door good sense and caring go straight out of the window.

Contrast and compare

KC registered dogs :- Cost expensive .....health issues, genetic problems, overbreeding by profiteers

Non ped whippets :- token payment or gift ....no health issues, no genetic issues, no overbreeding by profiteers as there is no profit

I rest my case and retire back to my lurking armchair :thumbsup:

Can someone give myself positive evidence of these health issues and genetic problems ?

 

[ROBDOG]

I've had very expensive pedigree dogs, I've had dogs that were free. I've had non peds since 2007. I try not to post on anything controversial because I've found you are usually wasting your time but some of the comments on here are bringing on my red mist.There are good and bad owners regardless of what is paid for a pup but I do think that the pedigree dog breeding fraternity needs to take a very long hard look at itself before throwing out the same old tired arguements and implying non peds have a problem.

Charging large sums of money has nothing to do with the future care of the pup and everything to do with the ego of the breeder. If pedigree breeders stopped churning out their show stoppers at ridiculous prices there would be no interest by the puppy farmer brigade. When money comes in the door good sense and caring go straight out of the window.

Contrast and compare

KC registered dogs :- Cost expensive .....health issues, genetic problems, overbreeding by profiteers

Non ped whippets :- token payment or gift ....no health issues, no genetic issues, no overbreeding by profiteers as there

I rest my case and retire back to my lurking armchair :thumbsup:

Can someone give myself positive evidence of these health issues and genetic problems ?

yes just watch crufts :sweating:

 

[Nellie]

I've had very expensive pedigree dogs, I've had dogs that were free. I've had non peds since 2007. I try not to post on anything controversial because I've found you are usually wasting your time but some of the comments on here are bringing on my red mist.There are good and bad owners regardless of what is paid for a pup but I do think that the pedigree dog breeding fraternity needs to take a very long hard look at itself before throwing out the same old tired arguements and implying non peds have a problem.

Charging large sums of money has nothing to do with the future care of the pup and everything to do with the ego of the breeder. If pedigree breeders stopped churning out their show stoppers at ridiculous prices there would be no interest by the puppy farmer brigade. When money comes in the door good sense and caring go straight out of the window.

Contrast and compare

KC registered dogs :- Cost expensive .....health issues, genetic problems, overbreeding by profiteers

Non ped whippets :- token payment or gift ....no health issues, no genetic issues, no overbreeding by profiteers as there

I rest my case and retire back to my lurking armchair :thumbsup:

Can someone give myself positive evidence of these health issues and genetic problems ?

yes just watch crufts :sweating:

I was there :thumbsup:

I did ask for positive evidence :unsure:

 

[ROBDOG]

Ask a vet :blink:

 

[Nellie]

Ask a vet :blink:

I take it then that you have no evidence/proof yourself then :unsure: so far you've advised watching crufts? and asking a vet?

 

[ROBDOG]

I know myself from seeing hunchbacked dogs being shown in the show ring & friends experiances with these so called pedigree puppy farms ok :wacko: now if your blind to that rock on :blink:

 

[marielou]

Nellie I can't believe that you are asking this question seriously. I had concluded that you must be joking.

As every reputable breeders puppies come with assurances that their parents have tested negative for the relevant health and genetic problems

as they apply to their breed and this is often one of the many reasons given for the hefty price tag I can only assume that you live in a bubble.

I have done my research over many years as have many other people. The BBC no longer films Crufts because it doesn't want to be associated with unhealthy pedigree dogs. I suggest if you are genuinely unaware (I have my doubts) then you do you own research as you have no intention of taking notice of what others say anyway.

 

[Nellie]

I know myself from seeing hunchbacked dogs being shown in the show ring & friends experiances with these so called pedigree puppy farms ok :wacko: now if your blind to that rock on :blink:

Well I've neve seen a hunched back whippet being shown at Crufts :unsure: Topline is paramount in the breed standard

Have you ever seen a puppy farm bred dog qualified for Crufts? I certainly cant recall ever seeing one :unsure: and I have nt got my white stick or blinkers yet

 

[Nellie]

Nellie I can't believe that you are asking this question seriously. I had concluded that you must be joking.
Why cant you believe that I'm asking this question seriously?

As every reputable breeders puppies come with assurances that their parents have tested negative for the relevant health and genetic problems

#31 YOU STATED KC HAVE GENETIC DEFECTS AND HEALTH ISSUES.SO WHERE DO THESE ASSURANCES THAT THEIR PARENTS HAVE TESTED NEGATIVE FOR HEALTH AND GENETIC PROBLEMS COME INTO IT?

as they apply to their breed and this is often one of the many reasons given for the hefty price tag I can only assume that you live in a bubble.

I LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD AND DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING I READ OR GET TOLD I RESEARCH IT MYSELF AND MAKE MY OWN MIND UP :thumbsup:

I have done my research over many years as have many other people. The BBC no longer films Crufts because it doesn't want to be associated with unhealthy pedigree dogs. I suggest if you are genuinely unaware (I have my doubts) then you do you own research as you have no intention of taking notice of what others say anyway.

IF YOU HAVE DONE THIS RESEARCH YOURSELF PLEASE TELL WHAT GENETIC DEFECTS AND HEALTH PROBLEMS WHIPPETS ARE PRONE TO THAT YOU SEEM TO THINK I HAVE MISSED?

APOLOGY;not shouting just hilighting my answers